God Is Setting The Stage For The Great Tribulation

Enow · Jan 1, 2013

An Important note: Revelation is not being given in chronological order, but the Lord Jesus Christ will help you to see that. I can't.

In one hour, these 4 events will occur after the pre trib rapture.

In Revelation 14:1-5: we read of some of the firstfruits being redeemed from among men from the earth. I would say some because there would be the OT saints and His disciples that have long since been passed would be among the firstfruits of the resurrection also which would occur at the pre tribulational rapture event.

What follows afterwards is God setting the stage for the great tribulation.

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

#1) Now everyone will know the gosple. There will be no excuse.

Revelation 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

#2) This event is described in detail in Revelation 18th chapter about how the third of the earth is burned up which is the entire Western Hemisphere, including USA, since it is known to the world what Babylon called its people to do: "let us make us a name" as in "We the people..." This is not mystery Babylon, but another Babylon.

Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

#3) Now everyone will know the consequences for taking the mark of the beast after such a cataclysmic event so it is fresh in their minds.

Revelation 13th chapter has given detail of the event after WWIII from which the New World Order will be set up to take the mark.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

#4) Those left behind for not being found abiding in Him and new believers will hear this message.

This is how God will be setting the stage for that hour for which the world will be tried in that hour that will tempt every one on the earth.

Revelation 12th chapter testify of the closing of the door for the celebration at the Marriage Supper for which the devil is not allowed anymore to accuse the brethren and thus knows he has little time left which will bring the woes on the earth, but do note that it also testifies of the raptured inhabitants in Heaven as stated below.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Does anyone really think the devil is going to let the media of the world keep replaying the raptured event without taking the spotlight off of Him by causing WWIII to make the people focus on survival?

There is a call for readiness for all believers in Jesus Christ. Look to the author & finisher of our faith to help you to be abiding in Him by continuing in His words to be His disciples in laying aside every weight & sin to run that race for the high prize to be chosen to attend.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

If you want to have that seat of honour to sit at the Supper table with the King in honour of Him, then it is time to look to our hope in Him.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

peterT · Jan 1, 2013

Enow said:

Not one of them verses say or show a pre trib coming

There is no pre trib rapture in the Bible you are just making it up.

What pre tribulation rapture EVENT are you talking about exactly? Because there is no EVENT in the Bible were Jesus comes before the great tribulation.

Have you ever seen a scripture in the Bible showing Jesus coming before the great tribulation? NO

Have you ever seen a scripture in the Bible showing a trumpet sounding before the great tribulation? NO.

Have you ever seen a scripture in the Bible were the dead or the living are raised in the clouds before the great tribulation? NO.

You have never seen a scripture in the Bible saying any such thing. But you might have seen it in some preachers’ book.

And don’t say the story of Noah, because Jesus used that same story for after the great tribulation for his coming.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
41--the one shall be taken, and the other left.

I would think If you want to bring forth fruit, some at hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold then try to keep it real.

And as for the firstfruits.

The 144000 are also firstfruits

Rv14:3And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Rv7:13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Grandpa · Jan 1, 2013

Isaiah 35
1The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
2 It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the Lord, and the excellency of our God.
3 Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees.
4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.
6 Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.
7 And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.
8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
9 No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there:
10 And the ransomed of the Lord shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.

A problem arises when you think these are physical things that happen on the physical earth.

We are called to walk in the spirit. We are told that His Words are spirit and they are life.

And then the carnal mind is used to explain this to other carnal minds. Blind guides.

Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Blain · Jan 1, 2013

Grandpa said:

Isaiah 35
1The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
2 It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the Lord, and the excellency of our God.
3 Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees.
4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
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Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.[/QUOTE

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eternally-gratefull · Jan 1, 2013

Grandpa said:

are you saying these things God warns ua about. including the great tribulation. are not physical things that will happen on physical earth?

Hefzi-ba · Jan 1, 2013

I''m glad to know that many are into this topic. Many churches dont dare get into the topic of Revelations and end times. It's disguised with the message of: Repent Jesus Loves you and is soon to come. I just recently reconciled w my Heavenly Father, But about a year ago a friend of mine (who has a thing about documentaries) ran into a link on a documentary Called...
WAKE UP CALL-NEW WORLD ORDER-** is based on how the goverment, along w technology, are leading us into a One World Goverment, w plans to implant microchips under our skin; on every humanbeing. It left me overwhelmed w emotions, but it open my eyes, and made me realize that Revelations is true. If you are into this topic; I truly recommend you see it.

Grandpa · Jan 3, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

I think they are spiritual descriptions of what has happened and what does happen, and what is happening in the spiritual world. The implications affect everything but maybe not the way you imagine... Or the way I do either, for that matter.

eternally-gratefull · Jan 4, 2013

Grandpa said:

well remember, we are in a spiritual battle. many of the physical tribulations we go through are caused by these spiritual influences.

I do not see how we can take things like

rev 6:
14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders,[a] the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!

And not take them literally but try to spiritualise them away. Think how dangerous this would be if these things actually happen and the people of God are not prepared for them? Why do you think God lets us know these things, and how bad they will be? so when we see them, we still have hope. for they will only last a short time. and in the end, God will return and put a stop to it. And the whole world will know he is God.

remember. Scripture says God is patient and allowing things to happen. but he is not slack concerning his promise. but willing that everyone who will get saved gets the chance to. But there will come a day when the world will see his full wrath., and he finally punished evil for what it is. and proves to the world. his way is the only way. and he is a God of wrath, as well as a god of love.

look at matt 24. And the birth pangs. then look at the earth for the last 100 years. All those things are happening. And they are getting worse every day that passes. Not a little worse. But exponentially worse.

the liberals blame it on global warming and overpoulation. But for us who know God and see his word. we can praise God. because those things might be helping things to get exponentially worse (like starvation and massive natural disasters), it is something God prophesied over 2000 years ago would happen. and we are witnessing it face to face..God saw these things, and he told us they would happen.

at the same time. we need to know the days are urgent. get the gospel out, for time is short. the church needs to be more proactive today in spreading the gospel then at any time in history.. because there will come a time soon according to prophesy, that there will be a great "falling away' and then all hell is going to break lose.

Cobb · Jan 4, 2013

Grandpa said:

I agree with your idea of spiritual awareness, but disagree with your idea that these things don't happen on the physical earth. For instance, we see the prophecy of the blind eyes being opened. Now, carnally, this speaks of carnal blind men receiving carnal sight- one of the signs Jesus performed. But spiritually this is understood as one who doesn't understand the truth being given understanding of the truth- and as such, the "blind" being given "sight". However, both are occuring in this physical earth. Both the carnal blind and the spiritual blind are in the earth, and receive their sight among the inhabitants of the earth, as it were.

Now then we have also this word:

Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

So we see a point in time upon this earth when "once" (not recurring or cyclic- but "one time") both heaven and earth are shaken.

Note "is come unto you" so, the kingdom of God occurs in the physical world (though the kingdom is not "of this world" it is still "in this world", just not "of this world"- much as Abraham was "a stranger" or Moses was "a stranger"). So I would say, though many spiritual things must occur, they will be occuring in this world just not carnally; not being directly seen with the eyes: they will be "invisible" as it were- but still, in this place.

For instance, look at the exodus by the hand of Moses- you see a carnal deliverence event occuring carnally, seen with the eyes and beginning on the 14th day of the 1st month. Now consider the work of Jesus and you see the same thing- only spiritually; invisibly, as it were: a spiritual exodus, a spiritual deliverence event occuring spiritually, invisible to the eyes, and beginning on the 14th day of the 1st month. So, just as the carnal Israelites were in the world when their carnal deliverence occured, so too are the spiritual Israelites in the world when their spiritual deliverence occured: the only difference being that the former involved carnality, while the latter- spirituality. In the latter, no one physically moved anywhere, there was no physical exodus- but there was spiritual movement in a spiritual exodus: yet all involved in this invisible exodus were in the earth.

That is the beginning. Now look at the ending and understand it the same way. How did it end? Israel became polluted and corrupt, the priesthood supplanting the word of God with vain traditions and idol worship until God would no longer tolerate it. So he sent the King of Confusion to render His judgment against them. And the King of Babel came with all his host on the 10th day of the 10th month for a reversal. Instead of an exodus from captivity- and conquering and taking into captivity. A carrying away captive into Great Babylon (which is to say, Babel- meaning, Confusion).

Ec 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Enow · Jan 4, 2013

peterT said:

You just posted scripture in your quote below as I will point out that "appearing" is not the same event as His actual "coming".

If you consider the description given of the times when believers will be eating and drinking, marrying and given in marriage, and working in the field where they will be taken from: hardly a time descriptive of believers being on the run and starved to death for not having the mark of the beast to buy & sell.

Also, no believer knowing the time of His appearing is for present day whereas His coming can be determined when they give the command out to build that third Temple for that would be the beginning of the 7 year great tribulation. Have you ever wondered how Satan can have his armies of the world at the valley of Armegeddon to meet the return of the Lord with the raptured saints unless His coming can bet determined?

So Jesus was giving a warning to believers to be ready & found abiding in Him because the Bridegroom will come to take the ready bride to where Jesus is now: with the Father in His mansion.

John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

The Marriage Supper is being held in Heaven: not on earth.

How can they sing that new song before that throne, brother? This is testifying to the first harvest that comes before the great tribulation.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

So there are firstfruits in Christ that will be made alive at the pre trib rapture event, then the other harvest of wayward & unrepentant saints left behind with new believers at His coming.

And then the last harvest which consists of those remaining loyal to Christ after Satan have been released from the pit to stage a last rebellion for a small season after Christ's milleniel reign on earth.

Only Christ can help you see that there are 3 harvests that makes up the whole of the kingdom of God before the Son gives it up to the Father after defeating death and sin forever.

Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

There are three watches but only the first watch comes with a meal, thus indicative of the pre tribulational rapture event: the first harvest.

Luke 12:37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. 38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

If you consider why these saints had to have their robes washed clean by the Blood of the Lamb, it shows that they were not ready with their wedding garment as they had died in their sins for not departing from iniquity, including the iniquity of not believing Jesus is God because all those that even believe in His name are saved.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

But because they denied Him, they were denied attendance to the Marriage Supper, but even though they believed not, He that abideth, cannot deny Himself.

2 Timothy 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

This group above and this one below are the saints that were left behind for not departing from iniquity.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Why were these saints given white robes? Dead works voids faith. They did not have their wedding garment on.

Romans 4:For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

Matthew 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

The falling away from the faith has happened now which is why God is going to judge His House first at the pre tribulational rapture event.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

So the call to look to the author & finisher of our faith to be ready is now just as now is the time for salvation for those that do not believe yet if they wish to be found abiding in Him before the Bridegroom comes to attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb in Heaven.

peterT · Jan 4, 2013

Enow said:

The angels gather together the elect from one end of heaven to one end of the earth.

26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

What are there 2 resurrections before the 1000 years?

Are there 2 lots of angels reaping the harvest Gathering together his elect?

Are there 2 lots of Jesus coming in the clouds to gather together his elect?

Are there 2 lots of gathering the elect at a great sound of a trumpet?

No there is only one resurrection before the 1000 years.

There is only one lots of reaping the harvest by the angels and its 29Immediately after the tribulation.

And as for then eating and drinking it’s a parable Not an EVENT it’s not a pre-trib rapture EVENT it’s a parable to 42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

What are we not going to eat and drink in the tribulation?

1 Kings 17:6 And the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning, and bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook.
Exodus 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

“Have you ever wondered how Satan can have his armies of the world at the valley of Armegeddon to meet the return of the Lord with the raptured saints unless His coming can bet determined?”

Interesting you should say that about the valley of Armageddon12And the sixth angel poured out his vial

And the 7 last plagues, we are in the heavens when the 7 plagues come "AFTER" getting the victory over the beast and his mark

There we are stand on the sea of glass AFTER getting the victory over the beast. Then the seven angels having the seven last plagues pour out the wrath of God upon the people that have the mark of the beast.

Rv151 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

Rv16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

Still after all you talk and all them verses “STILL no EVENT” still no “pre-trib rapture” just little parables why it can’t be a post trib coming

NO verses NO event NO Jesus coming in the clouds NO resurrection before tribulation NOTHING

Blain · Jan 4, 2013

Wait quick question....arRe we going to be raptured before the antichrist comes or are we going to be raptured when the anichrist reveals himself? And are we going to see jesus come or are we going to be instead raptured? To be honest I would take such excitement knowing how soon we may all be with him, So thats why I sometimes look for signs but eartquakes and such are one of the signs but that had been going on since the beginning hasn't it? And the mark of beast is going to replace money isn't it? So when this ( mark) which will most likely be from the president or government I am sure it will work better than money but will also not be for us to use since it is evil.

peterT · Jan 4, 2013

Blain said:

The first part of your question

2 Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

As for the mark, until they try to put a mark on you that allows you to buy or sell, we can use any monetary system we like, it’s not agents the laws of God, but the moment they try to give you a mark that allows you to buy or sell it’s a NO NO

Enow · Jan 4, 2013

peterT said:

Do note that I did address your references, but you did not with mine.

Try to remember to give book & chapter too.

Your reference in Mark followed a description as fitting the aftermath of WWIII which His coming would follow approximately seven years later.

Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. 21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. 23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

This was the time of the falling away from the faith which is NOW. We are living in THAT tribulation. Jesus calls for us to be ready now and so something eill happen ebfore the great tribulation which is the pre trib rapture.

Then comes the description of WWIII which one third of the earth will be burned up, setting the stage for the NWO and the mark of the beast for survival.

Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

I reckon if you are trained to see the teachings you are familiar with in the scriptures, then you are not going to see what is written with His help, and so have no choice but to ignore them.

Since those references were meaningless to you and by deflection you ignored them by referencing another, I take it that you have no reproof for using them as I did?

Grandpa · Jan 4, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

John 3:18-21
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Do you see how the verses you posted relate to these verses?

I know that what happens in the spirit affects us here. I just don't think it happens here exactly as it happens in the spirit.

I don't have it all figured out yet. I just don't think prophecy and revelations is describing events down here.

You obviously do. And you have put a lot of study into it. I'm still learning...

peterT · Jan 5, 2013

Enow said:

Do note that I did address your references, but you did not with mine.

Try to remember to give book & chapter too.

Your reference in Mark followed a description as fitting the aftermath of WWIII which His coming would follow approximately seven years later.

Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. 21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. 23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

This was the time of the falling away from the faith which is NOW. We are living in THAT tribulation. Jesus calls for us to be ready now and so something eill happen ebfore the great tribulation which is the pre trib rapture.

Then comes the description of WWIII which one third of the earth will be burned up, setting the stage for the NWO and the mark of the beast for survival.

Mark 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

I reckon if you are trained to see the teachings you are familiar with in the scriptures, then you are not going to see what is written with His help, and so have no choice but to ignore them.

Since those references were meaningless to you and by deflection you ignored them by referencing another, I take it that you have no reproof for using them as I did?

Yes I did address your references at least 2 the rest was too many for me. Too much on one page bro.

And I see you ignored my last one . the valley of Armageddon and the 12And the sixth angel poured out his vial

Try to remember to give book & chapter too..

And here we go still NO scripture saying a pre-tribulation coming

WolfInOxHide · Jan 5, 2013

I personally would like to be prepared for both the spiritual and physical manifestation of these things.
Written on the front side and the back.
Heaven has been rolled up like a scroll, inaccessible except that the Lamb unroll it.
Every spiritual government and assembly has been moved out of it's proper place.
Men do errantly cry out to their spiritual governments, to hide them from wrath, to provide an escape, forgetting that spiritual escape was in fact offered to them, from God rather than from their mountains.

Question is, if the physical events occur, who among us will have realized that spiritually, the timeline is already well under way, and who among us will be distracted by the lust of the flesh, the obsession to see the sky physically depart and such? A great deception to bury any possible change of heart underneath a fear of self preservation or imminent condemnation.

Peace.

eternally-gratefull · Jan 6, 2013

Grandpa said:

John 3:18-21
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Do you see how the verses you posted relate to these verses?

No, I do not.. how can you say they are. can you help me see it.

Enow · Jan 28, 2013

Blain said:

There is an appearing .. the sign of the Son of Man in heaven which is at the pre tribulational rapture event before the coming of the great tribulation so the call to be ready and found abiding In Him & His words is now by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight and sin to be the ready bride before the Bridegroom comes.

Jesus used the phrase "birth pangs" and so earthquakes has been increasing with intensity & in numbers as time progress.

That will take place for the great tribulation which is the hour that shall try all upon the earth because those that take the mark to buy & sell to survive in that New World Order, will be damned to the lake of fire.

That is why believers will be perishing because they refuse the mark, cannot work, cannot own anything, and thus be driven to death by starvation & the elements, unless otherwise persecuted to be killed quickly by the evil ones.

To set the stage for the New World Order, the first angel gave the gospel to be heard everywhere, the second angel testified of fallen Babylon which is USA and along with a third of the earth that will be burned up which is the entire Western Hemisphere thus indicative of WWIII as in a nuclear one sided war, and the third angel testified of the consequences for taking the mark is the lake of fire for all eternity.

So all the believers surviving on the other half of the world, they will be under that oppression & persecution with that mark of the beast system in place.

Consider this: at the rapture, every eye will see Him and mourn, and will hide from His wrath. The door to the Marriage Supper will be closed and this teh devil is no longer accusing our brthren in Heaven any more and thus knowing his time is short, he will initiate WWIII so that the media will not be replaying the rapture over & ober again, but something else now... more pressing matters in the minds of the people of the world... survival.. hence the mark of the beast system.

So the call to be ready & found abiding in Him is now because God is coming to judge His House first and those not found ready & abiding in Him, will be appointed their portions with the unbelievers, meaning they will be left behind for the coming great tribulation.

Luke 12: [SUP]40 [/SUP]Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. [SUP]41 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? [SUP]42 [/SUP]And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? [SUP]43 [/SUP]Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. [SUP]44 [/SUP]Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. [SUP]45 [/SUP]But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; [SUP]46 [/SUP]The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.[SUP]47 [/SUP]And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. [SUP]48 [/SUP]But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. [SUP]49 [/SUP]I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

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