God LIED!

[Ariel82]

I find it funny how whenever one of us opens a thread like this no one seems to want to come refute us, They may come in and take a few pot shots. But no they do not want to actually sit and show us where we are wrong.

This should make them think..

Great thread,, almost sticky worthy!!

Actually I,think you should follow their examples..take your pot shots and leave their threads.

Most folks are trying to put to words what God is working on their hearts to learn. Sometimes they don't phrase it exactly right. Sometimes they mishear the instructions, but truthfully from what I have seen of your "defense" .....

It ,has done more harm than good.

Also it's insulting to think God can't speak for Himself.

Just trying to be honest, I know you want to defend the Gospel truth, but sometimes folks aren't wolves...they are just babies or wounded soliders under attack by the enemy.

No need to stab open their wounds.

 

[Ariel82]

Originally Posted by Stunnedbygrace View Post
No sir. That's not what our Lord said. To look and think with lust is to already have committed adultery. To have anger in our heart is to already have committed murder. God desires truth in the inward parts. By not seeing the evil in us and to not see the enmity to the spirit in us and to insist the inside of our cup can be filthy but the outside being clean is what matters - that is not what our Lord said. We have to agree with Him or we are only fooling ourselves. How can two people walk together if they don't agree?"
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Answer:
Because Jesus said if someone forces us to walk with them a mile, we willing walk two with them.

God calls us to go the extra mile.

*** I read the first and last pages only and this thread makes me sad, so I am off to find another one.****

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

True Born again Christians don't look at a woman with lust.
The devil can put sinful thoughts in our minds, Bet we don't have to dwell on them, we should reject them straight away.
Christians who live in the Spirit and walk in the Agape love of God, will never get angry.

I have a problem with this because I have known God for almost ten years. I received His Spirit(who can ever forget it when it happens?!) but I do still get angry sometimes. If I said I never did I would be lying.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Originally Posted by Stunnedbygrace View Post
No sir. That's not what our Lord said. To look and think with lust is to already have committed adultery. To have anger in our heart is to already have committed murder. God desires truth in the inward parts. By not seeing the evil in us and to not see the enmity to the spirit in us and to insist the inside of our cup can be filthy but the outside being clean is what matters - that is not what our Lord said. We have to agree with Him or we are only fooling ourselves. How can two people walk together if they don't agree?"
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Answer:
Because Jesus said if someone forces us to walk with them a mile, we willing walk two with them.

God calls us to go the extra mile.

*** I read the first and last pages only and this thread makes me sad, so I am off to find another one.****

I'm sorry the thread has got you down. It happens to me too sometimes and I take a break.
Going that extra mile, giving the shirt also when they ask for your coat - these aren't a problem for me. I can do it. The problem for me usually comes in not loving them WHILE I am doing it but instead seething inside at their selfishness and lack of love for me. Or feeling resentment that they aren't being grateful for what I have done for them but are only grasping for more, more more - of my time, my help, my energy.

 

[Budman]

True Born again Christians don't look at a woman with lust.
The devil can put sinful thoughts in our minds, Bet we don't have to dwell on them, we should reject them straight away

You said thoughts can't be sinful unless you "act" on them.


You were proven wrong.


By Scripture.


Again.

 

[Budman]

we can take authority over any attack of sickness and walk in divine health,

Well then, you (and the other people who teach such nonsense) should never, ever get sick and die.


But they do.....don't they?

 

[Budman]

What this states is living a falsehood doctrine (and , yes, truth matters)...God loves us in a genuine relationship where He has instilled in us a Christ to become in us a Christlike individual unfettered as He is Master of our union, which due to love involves our choices and obedience in us restored to Himself. The restoring Jesus and God had to do, and in terms of Salvation those statements are true, but to love is a two-party activity to be real. He is not overruling us in Him loving Himself, as a puppet playing pretend Christlike Child. Don't confuse Salvation with an ongoing healthy love relationship; And don't underestimate the power of the transformation God does in an individual who has become Christ-like. We must believe, and receive His free gift.

You don't work for a "free" gift.

Stop contradicting yourself.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

You said thoughts can't be sinful unless you "act" on them.


You were proven wrong.


By Scripture.


Again.

Yes, this is my problem too. He went from denying that thoughts can be sinful, (when the scripture was presented that showed this is not what God thinks), to now saying we don't even HAVE any sinful thoughts.

I jumped into another thread where I am having the same problem, where I cannot say about myself (because God counts my faith as righteousness) that I no longer sin. I know full well I sometimes do. I murder in my heart, hold resentments at the selfishness of others, at their unthankfulness toward me after I do things to help them, etc.

I know that my own pride is the problem there. But I refuse to say I am not sinning when it is plain to me that i am. That can't be the solution...

 

[God4me]

I have a problem with this because I have known God for almost ten years. I received His Spirit(who can ever forget it when it happens?!) but I do still get angry sometimes. If I said I never did I would be lying.

Have you been baptised in the Holy Ghost with the Biblical evidence of speaking in tongues, Because if you have, then pray in tongues, as they build us up, 1 Cor 14: 4. Jude 20.
If you do speak in tongues, then are you walking in the flesh and not the Spirit.
Mankind is a three part being, Spirit soul and body, If you are Spiritually minded, we wont get angry or lust after things, But if we are fleshly minded, we can fall into the works of the flesh and soul, [The mind, will and emotions].

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Have you been baptised in the Holy Ghost with the Biblical evidence of speaking in tongues, Because if you have, then pray in tongues, as they build us up, 1 Cor 14: 4. Jude 20.
If you do speak in tongues, then are you walking in the flesh and not the Spirit.
Mankind is a three part being, Spirit soul and body, If you are Spiritually minded, we wont get angry or lust after things, But if we are fleshly minded, we can fall into the works of the flesh and soul, [The mind, will and emotions].

I received the Holy Spirit ten years ago, but I have never received the gift of speaking in tongues. I sometimes sin. I stop abiding and I sin. He brings me back and I do see in myself improvements, where I can go for longer times without sinning in my heart, and find myself loving instead of resenting, willing to give of myself without bitterness inside. And it's encouraging. But I refuse to say I never sin when I can plainly see I sometimes do. It's not that I want to argue. It's that I insist on confessing it and asking for help with it rather than insisting it doesn't ever happen.

 

[God4me]

You said thoughts can't be sinful unless you "act" on them.


You were proven wrong.


By Scripture.


Again.

When was I proved wrong??. As Jesus has proved me right. Matt 6:25--31. 2 Cor 10: 4-5. James 1: 14--15.
By Scripture.
The devil will put thoughts into our minds, but it's what we do about them that counts. Our mind is the devil's playground, But we have the God given power to reject bad thoughts.

 

[God4me]

Well then, you (and the other people who teach such nonsense) should never, ever get sick and die.


But they do.....don't they?

Those of us who do believe the Bible, always get the victory over sicknesses.
But even if we didn't, It doesn't change the Biblical truth.

Jesus has ALREADY taken our sicknesses. Isaiah 53: 3--5. Matt 8: 17--17. 1 Pet 2: 24.
Please note, 1 Pet 2: 24, "We WERE healed", were is past tense, And those of us who believe it, walk in divine health.
There are three main reasons why people fail to receive.

[1]Lack of Knowledge, God said His people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge, Isaiah 5: 13. And Hosea says they are destroyed through lack of knowledge.
But Jesus said if we continue in His word, then were are His disciples, and we shall KNOW the truth, and the truth SHALL set us FREE.

[2]Lack of faith, See how many times Jesus says things like, "They faith as made thee whole, According to thy faith, be it done unto you, If you can believe, ALL things are possible to those who believe". Including healing and divine health.


[3]Sin or disobedience, They will hinder the blessings, it takes away any confidence, 1 Jn 3: 21--22,

 

[God4me]

Yes, this is my problem too. He went from denying that thoughts can be sinful, (when the scripture was presented that showed this is not what God thinks), to now saying we don't even HAVE any sinful thoughts.

I jumped into another thread where I am having the same problem, where I cannot say about myself (because God counts my faith as righteousness) that I no longer sin. I know full well I sometimes do. I murder in my heart, hold resentments at the selfishness of others, at their unthankfulness toward me after I do things to help them, etc.

I know that my own pride is the problem there. But I refuse to say I am not sinning when it is plain to me that i am. That can't be the solution...

Wrong thoughts that people act on, Are sinful, as it becomes sin when people meditate on them, then act them out in their lives.
But just because the devil puts a naughty thought in our minds, It's not a sin on our part, Unless we don't reject those thoughts.
But we have the God given power to reject bad thoughts.

 

[God4me]

I received the Holy Spirit ten years ago, but I have never received the gift of speaking in tongues. I sometimes sin. I stop abiding and I sin. He brings me back and I do see in myself improvements, where I can go for longer times without sinning in my heart, and find myself loving instead of resenting, willing to give of myself without bitterness inside. And it's encouraging. But I refuse to say I never sin when I can plainly see I sometimes do. It's not that I want to argue. It's that I insist on confessing it and asking for help with it rather than insisting it doesn't ever happen.

If you don't speak in tongues, then what makes you think you have been baptised in the Holy Ghost?. As tongues are the Biblical evidence of the baptism in the Holy Ghost.
There are only five Biblical accounts where people were baptised in the Holy Ghost, and each time they spoke in tongues.

If you believe you are baptised in the Holy Ghost, then by faith, you can speak in tongues, and it will be a blessing to you.
There are eight operations of tongues recorded in the Bible, and everyone are important to us, That's why God gave us tongues.

It's good to know that you are improving.

 

[John146]

Wrong thoughts that people act on, Are sinful, as it becomes sin when people meditate on them, then act them out in their lives.
But just because the devil puts a naughty thought in our minds, It's not a sin on our part, Unless we don't reject those thoughts.
But we have the God given power to reject bad thoughts.

Don't blame the lust of the flesh on Satan. If a sinful thought pops in our mind, that's the flesh. Take personally responsibility and don't blame everything on Satan and his principalities.

 

[slave]

You don't work for a "free" gift.

Stop contradicting yourself.

Your list is great about the evidence of what we get, but where is the love relationship with God of me getting a chance to love Him back? It is plain what makes Him pleased and it is clear in Scripture what displeases Him. I am not contradicting myself in saying the free gift God has given me in Christ Jesus is worthy for me to succeed at Him transforming me into what it is He wants in both a real ongoing love relationship with me as His child, and for the purposes of showing His glory, which He promises to delight in sharing with me. You see I am no longer about what I want or need,For Jesus did all that before I was born and I simply accepted it. But now I accept all He is not just what I wanted or needed in the deal, for I love Him. God has given me Christ to be able to complete the cycle of love in that now I can successfully, from my will as well as from His gift. Again, this has nothing to do with earning.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is that which is good and acceptable and perfect. (Romans 12:2).

We are the ones in desperate need of Christ Jesus, but God is not in need at all, only that He desires our love and devotion. God is the giver of life, but He is the finisher of His workmanship as well. He desires to show His glory in order to share it with us. God sent His Son in order for me to prove of His good, and acceptable, and perfect will according to His purposes.

Stop and ask yourself, "I know what I want in this relationship to God, but what does God want? To give us what we want and need alone, at a measure we cannot even understand in human calculation? Or to love us so wholly that He changes us into love? Now I ask you, "Which is the greater gift of love?" Nowhere in that was condemnation applied, rather an understanding of whom I have died to the right to myself in and His power to give me every detail of my life back and then some; completing what He predestined in me to do.

Do you believe God thru Christ Jesus is capable of both loving you to the point of you transforming into His likeness, and in creating in you a New Creation which can successfully and confidently give opportunity to loving Him back in the way of showing His glory thru loving others, aligning your will, in your Christ-run disposition?

 

[God4me]

Don't blame the lust of the flesh on Satan. If a sinful thought pops in our mind, that's the flesh. Take personally responsibility and don't blame everything on Satan and his principalities.

Why would a Christian put sinful thoughts into their minds??. Why would Christians have lustful thoughts or fleshly lusts. as we are.
New creatures in Christ, 2 Cor 5: 15. Created in righteousness and true holiness, Eph 4: 24. and a partaker of God's divine nature. 2 Pet 1: 4.
You must know some very carnal Christians.

 

[Bookends]

You seem stuck in the old covenant.

Jesus is the mediator of a new and better covenant.

So much better...the new covenant is one that God made with Himself.

It's an eternal covenant, not dependent on man's ability to keep or break it.

Jesus took our sins upon Himself and the ordinances that were against us,
and blotted them out forever...nailing them to the cross.

We now have a new and living way, and we all can approach the throne of grace, because Jesus paid it all. This is all God's doing...how great and wonderful is our God and Saviour!

No, I'am not stuck in the OT. I do not sacrifice animals to God, nor do I depend on what I can do to make myself acceptable to God. Both in the OT and the NT God is the same yesterday, today and yesterday. God is not obligated to keep His promise if the promise has a condition tied to it. The Condition tied to salvation in the NT, even the OT, is Christ (the OT practices are a tupos, a forshadow, to God's plan of salvation through Christ). If we are found in Christ, the condition is met, outside of Christ their is no promise.

Look at what Tintin said. If we don't remain in Christ their is no guarantee.

 

[valiant]

The question Jesus is answering is "what shall be the signs of they coming and the end of the world?" Jesus' answer is referring to His 2nd Advent as King. But before He comes, there will be great tribulation like the world has never seen. The one who endures this tribulation will be physically saved to be ushered into the Kingdom. "And except those days should be shortened, there shall no flesh be saved." It's not a matter of enduring to the end to be saved eternally.

The MAIN question He was answering was 'when will THESE THINGS BE (the destruction of Herod's Temple). See Mark 13.4 which makes this plain, see also Luke 21.7. The other two questions were merely supplementary and were not mentioned by Mark and Luke, But you Americans IGNORE the Scriptures so as to follow Scofield

 

[John146]

Why would a Christian put sinful thoughts into their minds??. Why would Christians have lustful thoughts or fleshly lusts. as we are.
New creatures in Christ, 2 Cor 5: 15. Created in righteousness and true holiness, Eph 4: 24. and a partaker of God's divine nature. 2 Pet 1: 4.
You must know some very carnal Christians.

Look around my friend, sex is everywhere. It's hard to escape. The only hope I have is to be in the word of God daily so any perverted thought has a mountain of Scripture to pass over before affecting my mind. Don't you know there are many believers who aren't renewing their mind in the word of God and are subjected to these thoughts? Surely you understand this principle.