GOD saw that the light was good and He separated the light from the darkness

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LaurenTM

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Yes this is refering to the omnipresense of God. Basically there is nowhere we can go that we will be seperated from His presense. David is making note of how God is literally everywhere. We have no place to hide from Him.

Very good question as many do not believe in the omnipresense of God. Kind of makes your head spin doesnt it. He is the only person/being that can be in more than one place at a time. Many also think satan also has this attribute which is wrong. Since we are a creature of one place at a time it can be hard to comprehend. This also makes you very aware of the things you do "in secret". God still sees you.


thx for bearing with me on this one 49

you do get it now that I explained it better...

I agree that only God is omnipresent and omniscient...it's something to think about for sure!

thx for the rep as well
 
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LaurenTM

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I think God is everywhere in our physical realm, I suppose he is or it wouldn't say so in that verse. God is unlimited in his ability, therefore he could go into the darkness in one way or another.

even the darkness will not be dark to you;the night will shine like the day,for darkness is as light to you



yeah

that is how I am looking at it as well

thx
 
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LaurenTM said:
11If I say, “Surely the darkness will hide me and the light become night around me,”

12even the darkness will not be dark to you;the night will shine like the day,for darkness is as light to you.

Psalm 139
Job 34:21-22 For his eyes are upon the ways of man, and he seeth all his goings. There is no darkness, nor shadow of death, where the workers of iniquity may hide themselves.


There is nothing hidden from God. God makes clear and plainly states that He knows what goes on in darkness, although He, Himself, is not darkness as God clearly and plainly states that He is light and in Him is no darkness at all (1 John 1:5).

That God "sees" through darkness is not the same as darkness being in Him.

Darkness is the absence of light and light is the absence of darkness.

We still live in a world in which darkness vies for supremacy (and even knows that the light overcomes the dark and the days are short).

The only way we overcome the darkness is to walk as children of light (Eph 5:8). Jesus told His disciples let their light shine so that men will glorify Father in heaven (Matt 5:16). There are some who walk in darkness and they will react sharply, but there are some who are seeking the light and they will be drawn to Father through the light they see shining in us. What greater thing is there to do than to shine as those lights God has made us to be?
 
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LaurenTM

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Job 34:21-22 For his eyes are upon the ways of man, and he seeth all his goings. There is no darkness, nor shadow of death, where the workers of iniquity may hide themselves.


There is nothing hidden from God. God makes clear and plainly states that He knows what goes on in darkness, although He, Himself, is not darkness as God clearly and plainly states that He is light and in Him is no darkness at all (1 John 1:5).

That God "sees" through darkness is not the same as darkness being in Him.

Darkness is the absence of light and light is the absence of darkness.

We still live in a world in which darkness vies for supremacy (and even knows that the light overcomes the dark and the days are short).

The only way we overcome the darkness is to walk as children of light (Eph 5:8). Jesus told His disciples let their light shine so that men will glorify Father in heaven (Matt 5:16). There are some who walk in darkness and they will react sharply, but there are some who are seeking the light and they will be drawn to Father through the light they see shining in us. What greater thing is there to do than to shine as those lights God has made us to be?

right

absolutely there is nothing hidden from Him

I am not sure that darkness is only the absence of light, but that may be another discussion

the question I was asking, in light of the verses in Psalm 139, is if God can go into darkness...as these verses seem to suggest that yes, He can

I'm just focusing on that question and wondering how others see it

as for me, I don't think darkness is necessarily evil..we associate the dark with evil...and there is that part (men loving to do their evil deeds in the darkness)

I'm not seeing dark as the opposite of light and evil...I don't think it is only where evil lurks

thx!
 
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LaurenTM said:
the question I was asking, in light of the verses in Psalm 139, is if God can go into darkness...as these verses seem to suggest that yes, He can

I'm just focusing on that question and wondering how others see it

as for me, I don't think darkness is necessarily evil..we associate the dark with evil...and there is that part (men loving to do their evil deeds in the darkness)

I'm not seeing dark as the opposite of light and evil...I don't think it is only where evil lurks
I do not believe there are any constraints on God. We know that God is eternal and has no beginning or end. We also know that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.

I do not believe this Light that is God is the same as the light/darkness that was separated in Gen 1:3-5. The light/darkness in Gen 1:3-5 was created by God in the beginning (Gen 1:1) and then God positioned this light/darkness as He spoke in Gen 1:3-5.

In Acts 4:24 we read Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is. The light/darkness of Gen 1:3-5 is part of the heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is.

Nothing is hid from God. The very secrets held in the hearts of all mankind are known by God.

Jeremiah 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Yes, LaurenTM, God is aware of what goes on in darkness and nothing is hid from Him. He shields His children from the darkness and tells us have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret (Eph 5:11-12).
 
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bravethea

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Rahab lied and was commended for it. Yes faith led to it. LOVE PROTECTS.
 
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bravethea

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Let me put it to you another way if I might. One can never understand God until they are Saved by Him. If you don't believe that its our fault all this mess and not His you never will be Saved then.

Im sorry to be so blunt However, it is what it is.

Free will.
 
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ROSSELLA

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I think your confusion stems from the different ways light is used. When God is called "the light," it's not meant to refer to the sun or physical brightness (although He's able to glow if He wants to, too). In addition to being physical states light is a metaphor for goodness and clarity, whereas darkness is a metaphor for evil and confusion. This most likely originated because in the daylight or by the light of lamps or stars, one can see things clearly, whereas in darkness, no one knows what's hiding or whether he/she is about to stumble over a rock. Neither physical state is actually evil or good, but humans take away the positive/negative aspects of being in the dark or light to express moralistic attributes. However, Genesis specifically refers to the sun and stars when discussing the creation of light, indicating that here God is creating physical properties/states of being instead of metaphors. God can be in the physical darkness. However, God will never be 'dark' in the sense of evilness because God is good.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Is he not bound by his word and his Holy Character......for example...It is impossible for God to lie....?
Of course, God is bound by His Word. However, in the discussion I was having with LaurenTM, the comment about God not having any constraints relates to LaurenTM's statement "the question I was asking, in light of the verses in Psalm 139, is if God can go into darkness…as these verses seem to suggest that yes, He can"

Do you believe God is not able to penetrate darkness?
 
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LaurenTM

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I do not believe there are any constraints on God. We know that God is eternal and has no beginning or end. We also know that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.

I do not believe this Light that is God is the same as the light/darkness that was separated in Gen 1:3-5. The light/darkness in Gen 1:3-5 was created by God in the beginning (Gen 1:1) and then God positioned this light/darkness as He spoke in Gen 1:3-5.

In Acts 4:24 we read Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is. The light/darkness of Gen 1:3-5 is part of the heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is.

Nothing is hid from God. The very secrets held in the hearts of all mankind are known by God.

Jeremiah 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

Yes, LaurenTM, God is aware of what goes on in darkness and nothing is hid from Him. He shields His children from the darkness and tells us have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret (Eph 5:11-12).

hi again renewed

appreciate your response and you have some really good things to say

just a note though...I was not asking if God is aware of everything...I believe He certainly is

I am thinking the answer to my questions is a simple one and is found in the Psalm I quoted

thanks!
 
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LaurenTM

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I think your confusion stems from the different ways light is used. When God is called "the light," it's not meant to refer to the sun or physical brightness (although He's able to glow if He wants to, too). In addition to being physical states light is a metaphor for goodness and clarity, whereas darkness is a metaphor for evil and confusion. This most likely originated because in the daylight or by the light of lamps or stars, one can see things clearly, whereas in darkness, no one knows what's hiding or whether he/she is about to stumble over a rock. Neither physical state is actually evil or good, but humans take away the positive/negative aspects of being in the dark or light to express moralistic attributes. However, Genesis specifically refers to the sun and stars when discussing the creation of light, indicating that here God is creating physical properties/states of being instead of metaphors. God can be in the physical darkness. However, God will never be 'dark' in the sense of evilness because God is good.


hi Rossella

thanks for your response

no one is confused...thanks...we are just having a discussion

I am just going with the simple explanation in Psalms :)