God's Chosen People per Romans 11
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Psalm 69
9 For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.
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20 Reproach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness: and I looked for some to take pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none.
21 They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.
22 Let their table become a snare before them: and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap.
23 Let their eyes be darkened, that they see not; and make their loins continually to shake.
24 Pour out thine indignation upon them, and let thy wrathful anger take hold of them.
25 Let their habitation be desolate; and let none dwell in their tents.
26 For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten; and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded.
27 Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.
28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.
9 For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up; and the reproaches of them that reproached thee are fallen upon me.
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20 Reproach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness: and I looked for some to take pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none.
21 They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.
22 Let their table become a snare before them: and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap.
23 Let their eyes be darkened, that they see not; and make their loins continually to shake.
24 Pour out thine indignation upon them, and let thy wrathful anger take hold of them.
25 Let their habitation be desolate; and let none dwell in their tents.
26 For they persecute him whom thou hast smitten; and they talk to the grief of those whom thou hast wounded.
27 Add iniquity unto their iniquity: and let them not come into thy righteousness.
28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous.
I suppose the question is, are there two elections?
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[TD]Rom 11:5[/TD]
[TD] Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.[/TD]
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Is Paul implying that there is also another election, the election of Wrath?
big question....take it slowly guys!!
(It doesn't bother me because I think God reconciles us all in the end - and even if you cannot accept that, by Wrath is meant physical destruction, Gehenna. It does not mean spiritual destruction, in fact quite the opposite. Anyhow, i hope we don't get too hung up on predestination stuff).
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[TD]Rom 11:5[/TD]
[TD] Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.[/TD]
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Is Paul implying that there is also another election, the election of Wrath?
big question....take it slowly guys!!
(It doesn't bother me because I think God reconciles us all in the end - and even if you cannot accept that, by Wrath is meant physical destruction, Gehenna. It does not mean spiritual destruction, in fact quite the opposite. Anyhow, i hope we don't get too hung up on predestination stuff).
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In Exodus 19:6 God tells Israel they are a Nation of Priests and a Holy Nation.
Deuteronomy 4 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you.
5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the Lord my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.
7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the Lord our God is in all things that we call upon him for?
8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?
The whole idea was for Israel to be the Priestly Nation, ministering to ALL nations.
Deuteronomy 4 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you.
5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the Lord my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.
6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.
7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the Lord our God is in all things that we call upon him for?
8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?
The whole idea was for Israel to be the Priestly Nation, ministering to ALL nations.
..According to a 2002 study by the Jewish Agency, "the number of Jews in the world is declining at an average of 50,000 per year."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population
