God's everlasting anger

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carolineh

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Damnation is reserved for those who continue to reject God's love and forgiveness of their sins through Jesus...Heaven is reserved for those who God causes to turn to Him in love through Jesus, turn from and hate their sins and so forsake their sins
 
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feedm3

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carolineh said:
Damnation is reserved for those who continue to reject God's love and forgiveness of their sins through Jesus...
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Okay. I totally agree. They should allow the blood of Christ that was given for them, to cleanse them. They refuse it, so their punishment is just.

Heaven is reserved for those who God causes to turn to Him in love through Jesus, turn from and hate their sins and so forsake their sins
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....What?......Now it just became a very unjust punishment based on what you're saying here.

So your saying "Damnation for those who continue (because God has not caused them to turn) to reject (though they do not have a choice) God's love and forgiveness (forgiven if God caused them to turn) through Jesus (or God's causing them to turn really)..."

Do you not see what your saying?

Those who "REJECT"? How can the accept if they have no choice because God did not cause them to turn?

So Damnation is reserved for those who God will not cause to turn, meaning it is reserved for those who were created ONLY for damnation, seeing they never had a choice.

Let me guess...you are not one chosen for Damnation - but not because you accepted God on your own freewill, but because he "caused you to turn and hate your sins".

Lol, sounds a bit self rightoues to me. Why you and not them? Why does Jesus place the blame on themselves in Matt 25? "and ye did not"?

Kind of like you placing the blame on those who God did not cause to turn and hate their sins. Doesn't really make sense does it?

I do not understrand how any one can read the Bible and come to this wacked out conclusion.
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carolineh

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no one comes to Jesus unless the Father draws them..otherwise they are just following their own natural sinful inclinations that are inclined against God always
 
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feedm3

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carolineh said:
no one comes to Jesus unless the Father draws them..otherwise they are just following their own natural sinful inclinations that are inclined against God always
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Thats your answer for everything you just wrote?

You must be deceived by someone you really look up to, and dont believe could ever be wrong.

You dont even attempt to try and reconcile what your saying because you know how ridiculous it sounds.

Let me get this straight:

1. God decided to create humans - "let us make man our image"

2. God decided to make a paradise for all those who He chooses to turn to him and cause them to hate sin.

3. God also decides to make a fiery place of torment for ALL those who HE chose NOT to cause to hate sin and turn to Him.

4. All those who will be in Paradise will be there solely because God chose to cause them to come to Him and hate sin, so no freewill involved, no choice.

5. All those who will be "reserved for damnation" will be those who did not have a choice to come, nor did God CHOOSE to CAUSE them to turn to Him.

So then, if this is what you believe, then please answer the implications YOU are making.

1. True or False - Some people were created solely for the purpose of being condemned and punished.

2. How can they "reject" something they never had a choice in?

To REJECT means their was choice. Otherwise they did not "reject" they just did the only option available to them, and since acceptance was not a part of that, they could not "reject. True or false?

I bet you wont answer this either. You know it is wrong. You just dont care.

This is the most prideful, self-righteous teaching on this site!
 
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carolineh

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people were created to love and serve God and they failed to do that so that is what makes them condemned....God did not create them to be condemned but that is what will happen if God does not work a miraculous work in them so that they turn to Him in love and turn from their sins through Jesus
 
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feedm3

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carolineh said:
people were created to love and serve God and they failed to do that so that is what makes them condemned.
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They failed, meaning they do not choose God. Making it freewill, choice. I agree.

So then it is not because God did not work in them to turn them to him, it is becasue they "failed" in doing that themselves.

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...God did not create them to be condemned but that is what will happen if God does not work a miraculous work in them so that they turn to Him in love and turn from their sins through Jesus
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Oh forget what I said above, I thought you were starting to make sense.

Nevermind..now were back to this.

If God does not "work a miracoulous work in them" and that is why they are going to be punished, then how is their failure?

And sense God is ALL knowing, did he not know when he created them that he was not going to work a miracle in them?

SO then, they were created ONLY to be punished.

Like I said re-word it all you want, your saying the same unjust, evil message. God creates people to punish them.

It's ironic because you who believe you are saved based on God choosing you and not others, can never see the sin your in so you can repent because your blinded by this teaching that makes you think you were chosen, therefor you cant be lost.

Yet teaching false doctrine is a sin, and convincing people that God does such things is blasphemy. I pray your will look closer at what your really saying here.
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carolineh

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if you own a car jack that fails to support your car so you can change the tyre would you say the manufacturer made that jack just so you could throw it away..no you would say that jack was not doing its job like it was designed to so you would throw it away and get another one that did as you required..in our case we have all failed to perfectly love and serve God except for Jesus so because we failed God He took upon Himself our failures namely our sins and gave us His righteousness in exchange..it was our failure to love and serve God that made us condemned...God did not create us to be condemned but that is what happens to anyone who refuses to turn to Him in love through Jesus and turn from their sins..nobody can go against their natural inclination to rebel against and reject God unless God changes them first..
 
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Jeremiah 3:12
(12) Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, Return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon you: for I am merciful, saith the LORD, and I will not keep anger for ever.
 
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abair

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God's everlasting anger
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i never understand how come God become angrey when he already know what will happen and he can change it but decide not to
 
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eternally-gratefull

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carolineh said:
people were created to love and serve God and they failed to do that so that is what makes them condemned....God did not create them to be condemned but that is what will happen if God does not work a miraculous work in them so that they turn to Him in love and turn from their sins through Jesus
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Jesus answers this very question about condemnation.


  1. John 3:18
    “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

It is not by doing good, or doing bad. We have all fallen short, and thus no longer have the ability to be good enough because we are already condemned by our sin.

It is by Christ. If we trust his work that paid the price in full, we have passed from condemnation to life. But if we do not believe, we are still already condemned.

And yes, God will draw them he knows will respond. and as Jesus also said in John 6. Whoever comes he will never cast out, they will never die, He will raise them on the last day.

Don;t let these works people get your frustrated. The put alot of big words, and try to throw alot at you. Just be calm and proclaim your love for your Lord. It is God we have to worry about, not men.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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abair said:


i never understand how come God become angrey when he already know what will happen and he can change it but decide not to
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If he would have changed it, he would have removed mans free will and made us robots. If he would have only allowed them who would recieve him to be born, he would have been seen as evil..

He made us all, and is patient so that no one who will come is lost. He gave us all a chance, it is not his fault many do not want to have faith in him and trust him.
 
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"All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto YHWH: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

And the world is currently breaking the story by breaking this instruction:

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth"
 
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carolineh said:
Damnation is reserved for those who continue to reject God's love and forgiveness of their sins through Jesus...Heaven is reserved for those who God causes to turn to Him in love through Jesus, turn from and hate their sins and so forsake their sins
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The Lord is always ready to discipline the sinner and forgive the repentant.
 
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carolineh

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look at it this way...we are born in sin and this is like living in a dark room with no light till God through Jesus shines His light on our darkness and so the darkness is removed...that is what faith is...God working in us enabling us to respond to Him and giving us the love to respond to Him...that is why without Him and so without the belief that is generated from having Him work on us, we are condemned already because we remain in darkness without the light and it is not for us to judge God on the fact that He does know what will happen and can change it but in His wisdom decides not to..that is why He is God and we are humans..He knows best and we dont
 
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carolineh

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another analogy is this....because we are fallen creatures our wills will always choose to go against God till He works in us to change our wills so that we will respond to Him in love...we were made to love and serve Him and we fail to do that because of our sin natures...this is like being a toaster that is unplugged from the power source..it can no longer make toast...God is the power source that reconnects the sinner to Himself and surges His power through the sinner so that the sinner will respond just as the toaster will respond and do its job and make toast...everyone has come unplugged from the power source and cannot reconnect on their own to the power source and only when that power source is flowing through them can they respond with repentance and love
 
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ChurchLover

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carolineh said:
Damnation is reserved for those who continue to reject God's love and forgiveness of their sins through Jesus...Heaven is reserved for those who God causes to turn to Him in love through Jesus, turn from and hate their sins and so forsake their sins
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yes it is we don't need that at all,
 
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