Gods Sabbath should be kept EVERY DAY!

[LoveGodForever]

is Acts 20 Scripture? is John the beloved a creditable source of information? because he said the Lord's day, but did not connect it to Sabbath. now John, a jewish man, would have certainly said Sabbath if he meant Sabbath.

Acts 20 says nothing about abolishing God's 4th Commandment. Neither does it say anything about commanding us to keep Sunday as a holy day. The disciples had a meal together because PAUL was leaving the next day..

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God.

Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[LoveGodForever]

...back to discussing scripture then?

Here we are 9 pages latter and you have provided not a single scripture that supports your OP that says EVERY DAY is a SABBATH or God's 4th Commandment has ben abolished and we are commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY day under the NEW Covenant.

 

[Ariel82]

If it must be address...the tradition of meeting and worshiping on Sunday is Biblically based and NOT JUST BY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH...

However I still believe it's a tradition and not a God ordained decree because I believe God tells us to worship Him EVERY DAY. However we have to make time to come together and worship and most have been blessed to have time on Sat or Sunday.

Personally I spend a small part of my day at church at least four out of seven and every day in Bible study, prayer, thanksgiving and worship of God.

Here is a resource for those who really wonder about the tradition of Sunday worship...

https://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionary/the-lords-day/

In 1 Corinthians 16:1-3 Paul exhorts the church at Corinth to set aside a sum of money "on the first day of every week" for the church at Jerusalem, as the Galatian churches were already doing. Similarly, Luke notes that when Paul arrived at Troas near the end of his third missionary journey, the church gathered together to break bread "on the first day of the week" ( Acts 20:6-7 ). Although the identification is not made explicit, there is therefore good reason to believe that John has Sunday in mind when he mentions "the Lord's Day" in Revelation 1:10. Certainly the second-century Gospel of Peter, which twice speaks of the day of Jesus' resurrection as "the Lord's Day" (9:35; 12:50), makes the connection.

 

[LoveGodForever]

If it must be address...the tradition of meeting and worshiping on Sunday is Biblically based and NOT JUST BY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH...

However I still believe it's a tradition and not a God ordained decree because I believe God tells us to worship Him EVERY DAY. However we have to make time to come together and worship and most have been blessed to have time on Sat or Sunday.

Personally I spend a small part of my day at church and every day in Bible study, prayer, thanksgiving and worship of God.

Here is a resource for those who really wonder about the tradition of Sunday worship...

https://www.biblestudytool.com/dictionary/thelords-day/

Well have to go now nice talking with you. Let me know when you find some scripture to support your OP here.

 

[Ariel82]

◄ Romans 14:5 ►
New International Version
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

New Living Translation
In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable.

English Standard Version
One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

Berean Study Bible
One man regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

Berean Literal Bible
For indeed one judges a day to be above another day, but one judges every day alike. Let each be fully assured in the own mind.

New American Standard Bible
One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.

King James Bible
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

 

[lightbearer]

◄ Romans 14:5 ►
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By posting all those version you prove that the Seventh Day Sabbath is not mentioned. To assume that is or assert that it is; is to add what is not there.

 

[Ariel82]

Facepalm.....seriously?

 

[Ariel82]

If you can't figure out that "One person considers one day more sacred than another; " means folks keeping a weekly Sabbath..,,then I can't really help you with your reading comprehenion issues.

The OP is about the second part. The "another considers every day alike.".....which is to say...I want to talk about how we can make Every day holy and set apart for God's service.

God says either view is fine and acceptable to Him. He also says the eating of only vegetable and keeping only one day Holy is for those of weaker faith....but that is another topic. Sometimes we need the overt reminders like weekly gatherings and yearly feast to remember God's truth and purposes. In our weakness God is strong.


However prideful folk will find error in calling those who don't eat meat or observe only a weekly Sabbath weak in faith because the world views weakness as something bad.

In my youth I thought I was strong as I grow older I realise how weak I am and how utterly depend I am in God's power working and moving through me.

 

[graceNpeace]

Let's put the scriptures up for all to see...

The statement shared with you was that Jesus says we are not following God if we follow the traditions of men over the WORD of GOD.

Matthew 15
3, But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4, For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
5, But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
6, And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
7, You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
8, These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9, But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.


Yep these are the words of Jesus not mine. It is vain (GREEK; useless, unsuccessful, folly) to think your following God if you are following the traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

Again, you must take us all for fools - lets put up Matt 15:1-2 so that we can all see what Jesus is talking about:
Matt 15:1-2 NJKV
"[FONT=&quot] Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]2 “[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]”[/FONT]"

That, is the context of the conversation that follows!

Your exegetical standards are appalling, execrable by any standard...
And you are here claiming to teach us and correct our errors...the mind boggles!!??!!!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Jesus said that not one jot or tittle would pass from the law until all is fulfilled. So either all has been fulfilled (Matthew 5:18), or you are now responsible for observing every jot and tittle of the law. You can't pick out the parts you like and ignore the rest. Whoever breaks one commandment of the law is guilty of all.

INDEED this includes the 4th COMMANDMENT that God's WORD says is SIN if you break it.

You're doing what you accuse others of doing - choosing those portions of the law that you want to follow and ignoring the rest. The law of Moses is more than just the 10 commandments. If you are responsible for observing those 10 commandments then you also are responsible for observing the rest of the law.

 

[lightbearer]

If you can't figure out that "One person considers one day more sacred than another; " means folks keeping a weekly Sabbath..,,then I can't really help you with your reading comprehenion issues.

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Comprehension issues? The Sabbath is not mentioned; not that hard to comprehend.
To add what is not there is to put yourself in the position of GOD. To think to change times and Laws. It is to say in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.

 

[Ariel82]

Okay back to reading scriptures....

6So Moses and Aaron said to all the people of Israel, “At evening you shall know that it was the LORD who brought you out of the land of Egypt, 7and in the morning you shall see the glory of the LORD, because he has heard your grumbling against the LORD. For what are we, that you grumble against us?” 8And Moses said, “When the LORD gives you in the evening meat to eat and in the morning bread to the full, because the LORD has heard your grumbling that you grumble against him—what are we? Your grumbling is not against us but against the LORD.”

9Then Moses said to Aaron, “Say to the whole congregation of the people of Israel, ‘Come near before the LORD, for he has heard your grumbling.’” 10And as soon as Aaron spoke to the whole congregation of the people of Israel, they looked toward the wilderness, and behold, the glory of the LORD appeared in the cloud. 11And the LORD said to Moses, 12“I have heard the grumbling of the people of Israel. Say to them, ‘At twilight you shall eat meat, and in the morning you shall be filled with bread. Then you shall know that I am the LORD your God.’”

13In the evening quail came up and covered the camp, and in the morning dew lay around the camp. 14And when the dew had gone up, there was on the face of the wilderness a fine, flake-like thing, fine as frost on the ground. 15When the people of Israel saw it, they said to one another, “What is it?”a For they did not know what it was. And Moses said to them, “It is the bread that the LORD has given you to eat. 16This is what the LORD has commanded: ‘Gather of it, each one of you, as much as he can eat. You shall each take an omer,b according to the number of the persons that each of you has in his tent.’” 17And the people of Israel did so. They gathered, some more, some less. 18But when they measured it with an omer, whoever gathered much had nothing left over, and whoever gathered little had no lack. Each of them gathered as much as he could eat.

Now this is pretty amazing...no matter how much or how little they worked, they had the same amount: just enough.

That right there is a testimony of God's grace. It reminds me of Jesus parable about the workers that all got paid One talent. How those hired in the morning grumbled and expected MORE than those hired later. Folks grumble about how unjust God is, but in truth it's humanity that is illogical and expects what God has not promised. For some people salvation isn't enough, they want crowns also.

19And Moses said to them, “Let no one leave any of it over till the morning.” 20But they did not listen to Moses. Some left part of it till the morning, and it bred worms and stank. And Moses was angry with them.

They did not listen. They already failed the test.,,.

21Morning by morning they gathered it, each as much as he could eat; but when the sun grew hot, it melted.

22On the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers each. And when all the leaders of the congregation came and told Moses, 23he said to them, “This is what the LORD has commanded: ‘Tomorrow is a day of solemn rest, a holy Sabbath to the LORD; bake what you will bake and boil what you will boil, and all that is left over lay aside to be kept till the morning.’” 24So they laid it aside till the morning, as Moses commanded them, and it did not stink, and there were no worms in it.

This is a God ordained thing because every other day it grew worms.

25Moses said, “Eat it today, for today is a Sabbath to the LORD; today you will not find it in the field. 26Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, which is a Sabbath, there will be none.”

When I read this I think of Daniel interpretation of the fat and skinny cows....how God provides, but at sometimes in our lives we stop gathering or earning money and just live off of what God has already provided. It reminds me again about the year of Jubilee.

27On the seventh day some of the people went out to gather, but they found none. 28And the LORD said to Moses, “How long will you refuse to keep my commandments and my laws? 29See! The LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Remain each of you in his place; let no one go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30So the people rested on the seventh day

Did you noticed even though they were told not to they disobeyed God?

Okay I finished my first reading...now to retell it in a manner that makes it easier for me to remember.

 

[Ariel82]

I spend most of my days working with kids so the easiest way for me to do my retelling is to pretend I am trying to teach it to the little ones.

I say this so folks won't think I am being condescending or childish. I could break out the Hebrew and other scholars....but I will save that for my second reading.

 

[FlSnookman7]

Comprehension issues? The Sabbath is not mentioned; not that hard to comprehend.
To add what is not there is to put yourself in the position of GOD. To think to change times and Laws. It is to say in your heart, 'I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.

You can deny all you like, you can call those who see the Truth whatever you like. Doesn't change the truth. You are free to keep any laws you wish. God says you are NOT free to judge how others keep or do not keep the law. Why is that beyond your understanding? It is clearly stated time and again. When you have to take what scripture says and say it isn't relevant because it goes against what you say, you should probably pray, then read the Word, then pray again.

You do not get to decide who is or is not saved.

 

[lightbearer]

You can deny all you like,

The Sabbath is not mention Romans 14 anywhere. To assert it or to assume it is; is to add what is not there.

You do not get to decide who is or is not saved.

Your right Jesus Judges through HIS Word. His Word says the wages of sin is death not everlasting life. Sin is the transgression of the law. If we sin willfully after receiving the Truth there remains no more Sacrifice for sin; but fearful looking forward for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.(Heb 10:26-31)

 

[Ariel82]

Alright y'all let's set the scene and rejoin Moses and the Israelites. Can anyone tell us what has happened so far?

(pause for answers, maybe make a few hints and clues.)

Awesome answers. Yes we know God did many miracles in Egypt and freed His people from harsh slavery. The Pharoah hated them so much that he ordered them to kill all the boy babies. Can you imagine how awful it was to live in Egypt back then as an Israelite?

I want to close your eyes and picture having to work every day in the hot sun making brinks. Then finally being allowed to leave, only to wander in the desert with no food. This man Moses says that God is leading us to His promised Land, but you are remembering all the sweet cakes you used to eat in Eygpt.

Okay now open your eyes. How many people would keep following Moses and how many would want to go back to Egypt and be a slave?

Wanting to follow God and Moses isn't and easy choice is it?

However that isn't the end of the story. God doesn't let them starve to death in the wilderness.

Do you know what God does next?


YES! He sends FOOD! In the morning they get Manna, which is called Angel's food and in the evening they get quail to eat.

Quail are like little birds about the size of a pigeon, robin or in our area a seagull.

Manna is described as thin cakes like crackers that tasted like honey.

(at this time I would probably give a snack to aid in memory about Manna (which is said to be like the Jewish Matzoh) and maybe chicken or quail eggs or just something on the shape of a quail)

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Gotta do laundry. Will be back to finish the story.

Maybe it will make at least one person smile.

 

[lightbearer]

Acts 20 says nothing about abolishing God's 4th Commandment. Neither does it say anything about commanding us to keep Sunday as a holy day. The disciples had a meal together because PAUL was leaving the next day..

Exactly my friend. To add anything other than what is there is not our right. Who are we to add to or change the Word of GOD?

 

[Ariel82]

Answer a simple question O Wise Ones.....

Why did God establish the Sabbath and tell His people to keep it Holy?

 

[lightbearer]

Good night folks! May the LORD continue us all in HIS Son Jesus Christ.

 

[tourist]

Deuteronomy 5 (the whole Chapter)
The COI were gathered at the base of the Mountain & God started to give the Commandments...
...By the time God makes it to the 10th commandment the COI are totally terrified.
...They beg Moses to ask God to just tell Moses the commandments & the COI will do them.

God instructs Moses to tell the COI to return to their tents and for Moses to STAND FAST...
...And God will "continue" with His commandments & Moses will relay them to the COI.

"But as for thee, Stand thou here by Me and I will speak unto thee ALL THE COMMANDMENTS, and the statutes, and the judgment's, which thou SHALL TEACH THEM". Verse 31

In other words there is NO SEPARATE 10 Commandment Law...
...It's all ONE repository of Commandments & included within it.
...Are Moral (obligatory at all times) & Ceremonial (temporary).
...Commandments.

Everything MORAL is eternal, perpetual & unchanging because God is Moral, perpetual and unchanging...
...Man is not commanded by Nature or Moral Law to observe specific times as religious observances.
...Like Man is commanded by Nature or Moral Law to not murder, steal, cheat, lie, etc.

This is WHY every culture on earth regardless of their religious understanding HAS LAWS AGAINST breaking Moral or Natural Laws.

So goes the SDA argument that if we can break the Sabbath we can also steal and murder - as if!



Nothing wrong with going to Church on Saturday, nothing wrong with participating in the collection. Catholic's hold Church service each and every Saturday.




And, Christ was formally Michael the archangel along with Lucifer the archangel.

God the Father is a "flesh, bone & organ" hominid God.

Christ was fully peccable & it's VITAL for one's salvation that you accept Christ was peccable.




Friday night Sabbath is an "innovation of Rabbinical origin", there was no commandment in Scripture to start the Sabbath on the evening of the prior day.

The ONLY Feast that stipulated observance starting on the evening prior was The Day Of Atonement.

In Genesis it describes a day as evening and morning so apparently the biblical day starts at evening whatever time that starts. Some areas of the earth have constant daylight or darkness for 6 months a year. That's one long day. Based on this I don't believe that a day necessarily starts at sunset. For most of us, the day starts one second past midnight.