GOD'S WAY VS SATAN'S WAY

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arthurfleminger

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GOD’S WAY VS SATAN’S WAY

We Christians have great hope. Jesus came to save sinners and to offer us eternal life. Through His sacrifice on the cross and His resurrection, He opened the gates of heaven for all who would believe in Him and follow His teachings.

But God gives us the gift of a free will, and while Jesus asks us to follow Him, He never forces us to. Ultimately, He leaves the determination of our salvation or damnation up to us. In the end, it will be our choice as to our eternal destiny.

Throughout our lives, we are going to be continually faced with two different and opposing ways of living; God’s way or Satan’s way. We’ll constantly have to make choices on which path we want to follow.

We’ll have to decide on God’s way or Satan’s because we can’t act upon the word of both because they are completely opposites of each other.

The Word of God declares us to be His adopted and beloved sons, His joy and delight, sons of God.

The word of Satan tells us that we don’t have to be sons of God. We can be our own gods, living and dying on our own terms.

The Word of God tells us that we are so important to God and that He sent His only Son, Jesus Christ, to die for us in the most horrible way.

Satan tells us
that we have no need of anyone dying for us and that we can become important on our own, as self-made men.

God tells us that we belong to Him and Satan tells us that we belong to ourselves alone.

The Word of God reveals that we have been created in God’s Own Image and Likeness.

Satan tells us to create our own self-image, our best self-image is the one that is pleasing to us, a self-image created according to our wills and desires.

God tells us that He is the Way and that we should walk in His light. Satan tells us to go our own way and to walk in the light of our own pride.

God tells us that there is no profit in possessing the whole world at the cost of losing our souls.

Satan tells us
that we have no soul. So we need to grab for all the things and pleasures that we can get, right now, in this life.

God tells us that there is life after death and that Jesus has prepared a place for us in heaven, where we can share in God’s life and glory for all eternity.

Satan tells
us that there is nothing after death, we are going nowhere. And so it doesn’t make any difference what we do.

God tells us that He is Truth.

Satan, the father of all lies tells us
that there is no such thing as absolute truth and that we must create our own truths that allow us to achieve our own worldly ambitions and desires.

Satan is a tough opponent and always tries to make us feel small, insignificant, and helpless. And many times he fools us into being our own worst enemy. But even when Satan does fool us, God doesn’t give up on us and continues to address us in His Word and Spirit.


We say it’s impossible, we can’t do it; God says all things are possible through Him.

We say I’m too tired, God says, come to Me and I will give you rest.

We say I can’t go on, God says My Grace, My help is sufficient to see you through hard times.

We say I can’t figure things out, God says I will direct your steps, if you ask.

We say I can’t forgive myself of my many sins against God and against my fellow man. God says I will forgive you.

We say I can’t manage my life, God says, if you seek My kingdom and it’s righteousness, then I will supply all your needs.

We say I am afraid, worried and frustrated. God says I have not given you the spirit of fear, cast all your cares upon Me.

We say I am not smart enough, God says I will give you wisdom.

We say I don’t have enough faith, God says I have given everyone a measure of faith.

We say we feel all alone. God says I will never leave or forsake you.

We say nobody really cares or loves me. God says I love you.

Yes, all our lives we will be faced with countless choices. The Way of God or the way of Satan.

And we need to clearly decide what we want, God or Satan, good or evil, life or death, salvation or damnation. Jesus offers us His salvation as a free gift.

But the choice of Jesus salvation and our own damnation will always be ours to make. If we want salvation, then Jesus and His truths need to be at the center of our lives. Not Satan’s lies, not worldy pleasures, and not our own desires.

A few final thoughts. All our lives we’ll be faced with spiritual battle, between God and Satan. We need to be ever alert and aware of our weaknesses, because Satan knows our weaknesses and he’ll tempt and attack us where we are the weakest.

But remember this, God isn’t too interested in our past lives and sins, He cares a lot more about our future lives.

We’ll all fall in to sin and make the wrong decisions many times during our lives. Sometimes we battle and struggle with the same sins, over and over, maybe for many years, maybe for a lifetime.

But, each time we do fall, never give up, it’s important not to run away from God, but that we get right back up, repent, and turn to Jesus. He’s always willing to forgive and take us back and let us start our lives all over again, in Christ.
 
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pablocito

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We say we feel all alone. God says I will never leave or forsake you.
A Christian does not stay in a state of flux, always susceptible to the deceptions of the devil.
1st John says that he that is born of God does not commit sin.

The verse that says - the truth shall set you free is true.
And if you are free you are free indeed.

There is truly a truth that one as a Christian has to come to grips with so as not to be sent a delusion that will damn them.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

These are not the ungodly but God's servants who have been deceived and also those who are disobedient.


Deception is rampant on this earth and Revelation says that all will worship the beast, except for those whose names are written in the book of life.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The beast is the world system which Jesus says in Revelation 18 to come out from among them, lest you receive of her plagues.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Lastly Daniel 12 vs 10 makes clear if you have not found out the will of God for your life you will be counted with the lost.

Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
 

Pilgrimshope

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GOD’S WAY VS SATAN’S WAY

We Christians have great hope. Jesus came to save sinners and to offer us eternal life. Through His sacrifice on the cross and His resurrection, He opened the gates of heaven for all who would believe in Him and follow His teachings.

But God gives us the gift of a free will, and while Jesus asks us to follow Him, He never forces us to. Ultimately, He leaves the determination of our salvation or damnation up to us. In the end, it will be our choice as to our eternal destiny.

Throughout our lives, we are going to be continually faced with two different and opposing ways of living; God’s way or Satan’s way. We’ll constantly have to make choices on which path we want to follow.

We’ll have to decide on God’s way or Satan’s because we can’t act upon the word of both because they are completely opposites of each other.

The Word of God declares us to be His adopted and beloved sons, His joy and delight, sons of God.

The word of Satan tells us that we don’t have to be sons of God. We can be our own gods, living and dying on our own terms.

The Word of God tells us that we are so important to God and that He sent His only Son, Jesus Christ, to die for us in the most horrible way.

Satan tells us that we have no need of anyone dying for us and that we can become important on our own, as self-made men.

God tells us that we belong to Him and Satan tells us that we belong to ourselves alone.

The Word of God reveals that we have been created in God’s Own Image and Likeness.

Satan tells us to create our own self-image, our best self-image is the one that is pleasing to us, a self-image created according to our wills and desires.

God tells us that He is the Way and that we should walk in His light. Satan tells us to go our own way and to walk in the light of our own pride.

God tells us that there is no profit in possessing the whole world at the cost of losing our souls.

Satan tells us that we have no soul. So we need to grab for all the things and pleasures that we can get, right now, in this life.

God tells us that there is life after death and that Jesus has prepared a place for us in heaven, where we can share in God’s life and glory for all eternity.

Satan tells us that there is nothing after death, we are going nowhere. And so it doesn’t make any difference what we do.

God tells us that He is Truth.

Satan, the father of all lies tells us that there is no such thing as absolute truth and that we must create our own truths that allow us to achieve our own worldly ambitions and desires.

Satan is a tough opponent and always tries to make us feel small, insignificant, and helpless. And many times he fools us into being our own worst enemy. But even when Satan does fool us, God doesn’t give up on us and continues to address us in His Word and Spirit.

We say it’s impossible, we can’t do it; God says all things are possible through Him.

We say I’m too tired, God says, come to Me and I will give you rest.

We say I can’t go on, God says My Grace, My help is sufficient to see you through hard times.

We say I can’t figure things out, God says I will direct your steps, if you ask.

We say I can’t forgive myself of my many sins against God and against my fellow man. God says I will forgive you.

We say I can’t manage my life, God says, if you seek My kingdom and it’s righteousness, then I will supply all your needs.

We say I am afraid, worried and frustrated. God says I have not given you the spirit of fear, cast all your cares upon Me.

We say I am not smart enough, God says I will give you wisdom.

We say I don’t have enough faith, God says I have given everyone a measure of faith.

We say we feel all alone. God says I will never leave or forsake you.

We say nobody really cares or loves me. God says I love you.

Yes, all our lives we will be faced with countless choices. The Way of God or the way of Satan.

And we need to clearly decide what we want, God or Satan, good or evil, life or death, salvation or damnation. Jesus offers us His salvation as a free gift.

But the choice of Jesus salvation and our own damnation will always be ours to make. If we want salvation, then Jesus and His truths need to be at the center of our lives. Not Satan’s lies, not worldy pleasures, and not our own desires.

A few final thoughts. All our lives we’ll be faced with spiritual battle, between God and Satan. We need to be ever alert and aware of our weaknesses, because Satan knows our weaknesses and he’ll tempt and attack us where we are the weakest.

But remember this, God isn’t too interested in our past lives and sins, He cares a lot more about our future lives.

We’ll all fall in to sin and make the wrong decisions many times during our lives. Sometimes we battle and struggle with the same sins, over and over, maybe for many years, maybe for a lifetime.

But, each time we do fall, never give up, it’s important not to run away from God, but that we get right back up, repent, and turn to Jesus. He’s always willing to forgive and take us back and let us start our lives all over again, in Christ.
wonderful read brother thanks for sharing

“us start our lives all over again, in Christ.”

he will pick us up and let us continue our life in him not losing anything we’ve found along the way

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:9, 14, 16, 27-30‬ ‭
 
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A Christian does not stay in a state of flux, always susceptible to the deceptions of the devil.
1st John says that he that is born of God does not commit sin.

The verse that says - the truth shall set you free is true.
And if you are free you are free indeed.

There is truly a truth that one as a Christian has to come to grips with so as not to be sent a delusion that will damn them.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

These are not the ungodly but God's servants who have been deceived and also those who are disobedient.


Deception is rampant on this earth and Revelation says that all will worship the beast, except for those whose names are written in the book of life.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The beast is the world system which Jesus says in Revelation 18 to come out from among them, lest you receive of her plagues.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Lastly Daniel 12 vs 10 makes clear if you have not found out the will of God for your life you will be counted with the lost.

Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
i have a Sister/Brother on this site? This is amazing. Have you heard of Only One Truth?

This was released today, it's awesome:

 
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pablocito

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i have a Sister/Brother on this site? This is amazing. Have you heard of Only One Truth?

This was released today, it's awesome:

I started to watch the video and found it quite interesting. I only watched about 5 minutes and will watch the rest when I return home later.

To be fair and truthful, I have to let you know that I do not follow men, or listen to church preaching or other teachings from anywhere whatsoever.

I read the bible only and rely on God to teach me directly, which has been a life saver to me. I cannot tell you to do the same as I have done, as God did not send me to tell anyone anything.

I can only tell of my testimony and be a light to those around me.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

This verse about 3 to 4 years ago when I started studying the bible, has been my foundation and to say that it has been my mainstay with the word of God is an understatement. It has been life changing.
 
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I started to watch the video and found it quite interesting. I only watched about 5 minutes and will watch the rest when I return home later.

To be fair and truthful, I have to let you know that I do not follow men, or listen to church preaching or other teachings from anywhere whatsoever.

I read the bible only and rely on God to teach me directly, which has been a life saver to me. I cannot tell you to do the same as I have done, as God did not send me to tell anyone anything.

I can only tell of my testimony and be a light to those around me.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

This verse about 3 to 4 years ago when I started studying the bible, has been my foundation and to say that it has been my mainstay with the word of God is an understatement. It has been life changing.
This is probably the rarest Church on earth ...they are Anointed ...like you are ...don't you want to be around others that are actually Reborn?
 

Pilgrimshope

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I started to watch the video and found it quite interesting. I only watched about 5 minutes and will watch the rest when I return home later.

To be fair and truthful, I have to let you know that I do not follow men, or listen to church preaching or other teachings from anywhere whatsoever.

I read the bible only and rely on God to teach me directly, which has been a life saver to me. I cannot tell you to do the same as I have done, as God did not send me to tell anyone anything.

I can only tell of my testimony and be a light to those around me.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

This verse about 3 to 4 years ago when I started studying the bible, has been my foundation and to say that it has been my mainstay with the word of God is an understatement. It has been life changing.
“1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”

its really important to seperate the two covenant words

When we are judged it’s going to be by Christ Jesus word not Moses word.

It’s important because Moses taught contrary doctrine from Christ

we’re going to be judged by Jesus words what I mean is

“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:35-38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

do you see what I’m saying ?

“Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:34-36, 40-43, 45-46‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it isnt this word

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬



Thats not going to judge us in Christ , it’s this word we owe our life to

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

My point is we need to learn what Jesus said about salvation and notice what he’s saying we’re going to be judged by you find out it’s how we treat other people especially those in need we can help that’s going to be how we are judged

how did you treat other people in your life ? Did you love other people ? Or did you love yourself more ?

He isnt going to say “ did you sin at all in life ?” He already knows full well
We have all sinned it’s why he gave his life now it’s about how we choose to live

Will we abide and continue in his doctrine that saved us ? Or won’t we ?

“Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:”
‭‭2 John‬ ‭1:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

my point is this we can hear the law and focus on knowing sin and we’re going to be like this

“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭5:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Or we can choose the savior and his gospel and hear his word

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and we’re going to react like this in an opposite way when we acknolwedge our own sins

“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1‬ ‭

If we think we’re not sinners we’re going to do this when we hear Jesus teachings and see all the sinners drawing near to hear him

“And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

until we jump in the same boat we’re going to see Jesus differently if we are trying to be holy ourselves we’re going to avoid his word , if we believe in Jesus for our salvation we’re going to draw near and learn from him because

“But their scribes and Pharisees murmured against his disciples, saying, Why do ye eat and drink with publicans and sinners?

And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭5:30-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Until we let go of our own righteousness by the law we’re not going to see his in the gospel


awe need to follow Jesus doctrine it’s not about sin and death , it’s about righteousness and life through mercy

judge not and you won’t be judged said the judge

Be merciful and you will receive mercy said the judge

If you forgive others when they sin against you you will be forgiven if you won’t forgive others you won’t be forgiven said the judge

give to others and it will Be given to you in greater measure said the judge

In the end sin is when your doing harm to another person “ thou shalt not kill “ we kill other people , thou shalt not steal “ we steal from other people ect

If we forget about learning what not to do we can start learning what to do from Jesus
 

NOV25

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i have a Sister/Brother on this site? This is amazing. Have you heard of Only One Truth?

This was released today, it's awesome:

Don Smith and Robert Madu seem to be different sides of the same coin.
 
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pablocito

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This is probably the rarest Church on earth ...they are Anointed ...like you are ...don't you want to be around others that are actually Reborn?
That is a very fair question but my wants, wishes or desires are subservient to God's desire and
God's decree to me for my service to him.

Often fairness or goodness in the eyes of Christians are not the same for God, and God has already told us that his ways are not our ways and our ways are not his ways.

Also his ways are past finding out.

If you read Timothy you will find out that Paul at the end of his journey said that all men have deserted him but God is with him.

2Ti 4:16 At my first answer no man stood with me, but all men forsook me: I pray God that it may not be laid to their charge.
2Ti 4:17 Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.
2Ti 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

At the end of Jesus's work here on this earth, he said the same thing.

John 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

I will just mention that the above verses will be fully understood and become more personal, when you can understand what God has purposed for your life. In other words when you find the will of God for your life.

Now to address a statement you made - whether I want to be around people who are saved.?
I would give my life and my limbs for that to happen.
But who determines who is saved? Not us? God does.

One of the problem is that we are commanded to die for the brethren in God.
Now tell me which person in your church would you be willing to die for if the opportunity presents itself.

You see, God is a not a God of guesses. You either know or you don't. God's word cannot return to him void. He is perfect and He expects us to be perfect too. You have to take every word in the bible literally else you cannot have faith and without faith is is impossible to please him.

Most people have a problem with perfection, in order words they have already given up before God has started. In other words, they do not believe and without belief in God, you are none of his. Of course if you are sincere but weak in faith, God will keep trying with you but some will gain faith and others will eventually lose faith.

You cannot know how and when God decides to give up on you. God tried with Israel for hundreds of years until in Isaiah 1 he said that from the top of their head to the sole of their foot there was no soundness in them.

Isa 1:5 Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.
Isa 1:6 From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.
Isa 1:7 Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

God eventually destroyed them, leaving only a remnant.

We really cannot spell out God's ways, as it is God alone who can divide the soul from the spirit, and the marrow from the joints; in other words dividing the indivisible in order to know the intention of the heart and mind.

Heb_4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

And that is why Jesus says in many places - that he who endures to the end will be saved.
 
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“1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”
Are you saying that John's statement above was addressing the law of Moses.? I need to understand that point before I can continue on.
 
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That is a very fair question but my wants, wishes or desires are subservient to God's desire and
God's decree to me for my service to him.

Often fairness or goodness in the eyes of Christians are not the same for God, and God has already told us that his ways are not our ways and our ways are not his ways.

Also his ways are past finding out.

If you read Timothy you will find out that Paul at the end of his journey said that all men have deserted him but God is with him.

2Ti 4:16 At my first answer no man stood with me, but all men forsook me: I pray God that it may not be laid to their charge.
2Ti 4:17 Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.
2Ti 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

At the end of Jesus's work here on this earth, he said the same thing.

John 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

I will just mention that the above verses will be fully understood and become more personal, when you can understand what God has purposed for your life. In other words when you find the will of God for your life.

Now to address a statement you made - whether I want to be around people who are saved.?
I would give my life and my limbs for that to happen.
But who determines who is saved? Not us? God does.

One of the problem is that we are commanded to die for the brethren in God.
Now tell me which person in your church would you be willing to die for if the opportunity presents itself.

You see, God is a not a God of guesses. You either know or you don't. God's word cannot return to him void. He is perfect and He expects us to be perfect too. You have to take every word in the bible literally else you cannot have faith and without faith is is impossible to please him.

Most people have a problem with perfection, in order words they have already given up before God has started. In other words, they do not believe and without belief in God, you are none of his. Of course if you are sincere but weak in faith, God will keep trying with you but some will gain faith and others will eventually lose faith.

You cannot know how and when God decides to give up on you. God tried with Israel for hundreds of years until in Isaiah 1 he said that from the top of their head to the sole of their foot there was no soundness in them.

Isa 1:5 Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.
Isa 1:6 From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.
Isa 1:7 Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

God eventually destroyed them, leaving only a remnant.

We really cannot spell out God's ways, as it is God alone who can divide the soul from the spirit, and the marrow from the joints; in other words dividing the indivisible in order to know the intention of the heart and mind.

Heb_4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

And that is why Jesus says in many places - that he who endures to the end will be saved.
i get the feeling you think this is a normal church ...it's out of guy's house. If you are against sin like we are ...please consider at least watching some of the videos.
 

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This is probably the rarest Church on earth ...they are Anointed ...like you are ...don't you want to be around others that are actually Reborn?
There’s nothing rare about the “only one truth church”. It’s the same ole pelagian heresy, “God wouldn’t command something that man cannot do”… he literally used the catch phrase for pelaginism 🤣 Then went on to parrot Wesley’s sinless perfectionism and even claimed that he is without sin.
Same ole’ deception that leads to the same ole’ heresies.

The entirety of our beloved Bible lays out God’s desire/commands as a way to prove man’s inability and need for a savior.

To claim man has ability to adhere to God’s commands (apart from divine influence) is unbiblical, it’s the reverse of scripture and the true gospel. It’s antichrist.
 
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There’s nothing rare about the “only one truth church”. It’s the same ole pelagian heresy, “God wouldn’t command something that man cannot do”… he literally used the catch phrase for pelaginism 🤣 Then went on to parrot Wesley’s sinless perfectionism and even claimed that he is without sin.
Same ole’ deception that leads to the same ole’ heresies.

The entirety of our beloved Bible lays out God’s desire/commands as a way to prove man’s inability and need for a savior.

To claim man has ability to adhere to God’s commands (apart from divine influence) is unbiblical, it’s the reverse of scripture and the true gospel. It’s antichrist.
yes, the antichrist doctrine of not sinning ::rolls eyes::
 
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i get the feeling you think this is a normal church ...it's out of guy's house. If you are against sin like we are ...please consider at least watching some of the videos.
God is the one who is against sin. As children of God we take on his nature and are known as good seed. Our new nature is not to sin. (Those of us who have been truly changed of God.)

2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

I will finish viewing the first video that you gave me before I view anymore.
God has given me the ability to discern good from evil and thus my conscience has to be free in whatever I do. I hope your conscience also is stirred up to do only that which is pleasing to God.

I will state that the bible is so complex that anyone who attempts to read it without the Holy Spirit guiding him will end up being damned and will stumble at the word, possibly causing God to send him a delusion that will damn his soul to hell.

One cannot play around with God, this is not a game or an academic exercise that titillates our fancy. Whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap.

No one can stand before God. If he tries to do so, he will be burnt up to smithereens. It is Christ who stands before God for us.

God has not changed, his holiness is exactly the same as it was in the Old Testament. Any one who touched his holy tabernacle was killed immediately. The Levites were the only ones allowed to have any interaction with the tabernacle because they were consecrated and appointed by God to represent Him here on earth among His people, the Israelites.

I really cannot explain the bible to you as it is too complex, (God made it that way), he made it so that anyone who desired after him would have to come to Him on their own, directly, at which time He sends his Holy Spirit (the Spirit of Truth) as a teacher and guide to bring them into truth. No other man on this earth can replace the Holy Spirit's role.

I will stop here now, only reiterating the complexity of the bible and it being off limits to the ungodly. It is no different as when God put up a barrier (flaming swords) to prevent access to his tree of life in the garden of Eden.

1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 
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God is the one who is against sin. As children of God we take on his nature and are known as good seed. Our new nature is not to sin. (Those of us who have been truly changed of God.)

2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

I will finish viewing the first video that you gave me before I view anymore.
God has given me the ability to discern good from evil and thus my conscience has to be free in whatever I do. I hope your conscience also is stirred up to do only that which is pleasing to God.

I will state that the bible is so complex that anyone who attempts to read it without the Holy Spirit guiding him will end up being damned and will stumble at the word, possibly causing God to send him a delusion that will damn his soul to hell.

One cannot play around with God, this is not a game or an academic exercise that titillates our fancy. Whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap.

No one can stand before God. If he tries to do so, he will be burnt up to smithereens. It is Christ who stands before God for us.

God has not changed, his holiness is exactly the same as it was in the Old Testament. Any one who touched his holy tabernacle was killed immediately. The Levites were the only ones allowed to have any interaction with the tabernacle because they were consecrated and appointed by God to represent Him here on earth among His people, the Israelites.

I really cannot explain the bible to you as it is too complex, (God made it that way), he made it so that anyone who desired after him would have to come to Him on their own, directly, at which time He sends his Holy Spirit (the Spirit of Truth) as a teacher and guide to bring them into truth. No other man on this earth can replace the Holy Spirit's role.

I will stop here now, only reiterating the complexity of the bible and it being off limits to the ungodly. It is no different as when God put up a barrier (flaming swords) to prevent access to his tree of life in the garden of Eden.

1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
sin is separation in the Living Relationship with CHRIST. We see sin for what it really is and refuse to deliberately do it.

[Gen 3:24 KJV] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
 

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sin is separation in the Living Relationship with CHRIST. We see sin for what it really is and refuse to deliberately do it.

[Gen 3:24 KJV] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
And if that's where it ended, we would all be in trouble. But after sin, it was God who sought out Adam and Eve, shed blood, and clothed them. God took the initiative and provided blood for atonement and a covering of righteousness.
God is awesome.
 
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There’s nothing rare about the “only one truth church”. It’s the same ole pelagian heresy, “God wouldn’t command something that man cannot do”… he literally used the catch phrase for pelaginism 🤣 Then went on to parrot Wesley’s sinless perfectionism and even claimed that he is without sin.
Same ole’ deception that leads to the same ole’ heresies.

The entirety of our beloved Bible lays out God’s desire/commands as a way to prove man’s inability and need for a savior.

To claim man has ability to adhere to God’s commands (apart from divine influence) is unbiblical, it’s the reverse of scripture and the true gospel. It’s antichrist.

I agree with your assessment, except the part about perfection. Throughout the entire bible, God has demanded our perfection, and our holiness. (of course it is not we who do it, but the in-dwelling of Christ within us.)

Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

The reason why it seems impossible is because for 2000 years, Satan has entered the local churches and made a mockery of the way to salvation, morphing it into something that God did not give to us.

Really the modern Christian has no faith and thus we are approaching the days of Noah (actually we are in the days of Noah) where they will all be destroyed with the ungodly (the unbelievers)
 
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sin is separation in the Living Relationship with CHRIST. We see sin for what it really is and refuse to deliberately do it.

[Gen 3:24 KJV] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

All of God's children sinned. Moses, Solomon, David, and many others. But they did not lose their son-ship. God chastised them but their souls are 100% secure in God's kingdom.

Now it is another matter when the ungodly sin (because they do not believe in Christ). In these last days they are already condemned and scheduled for destruction. (John 3:18).

I will divulge an observation that I have made, using the word love.
(God has loved us first through his grace)

God has commanded us to love him.
Love is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
Also Love is a gift given to us by God.

The same thing can be said about faith.

God is infinite dimensional while we are one-dimensional. And that is the reason why we are expected to not steer off-course from God's commandments to us, neither to the right, nor to the left as he had told Joshua and also us through the bible.
 

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I only sin once in a while but I’m not a sinner, said no honest person ever.