God's Will does not always happen

RobbyEarl · Apr 27, 2016

I think God is more concerned about wining souls than super bowls. However if that teams has one christian that prays and seek God then He will see to it. I already know about this because nonbelievers must use drugs to keep up with the believers. Trust me I have two sons that are athletic and I mean 19 and 22 years old. Their faith in Christ is enough to make the others take drugs if they do not believe.

ember · Apr 27, 2016

1ofthem said:

Your previous post was excellent at showing others how to learn God's will so that we can follow it. I think we all sometimes needed to be reminded of that. I really enjoyed your post and think I am going to save it for a reminder to myself and also to share with some friends, if that is ok with you.

well thanks...sure...it's yours

ember · Apr 27, 2016

MikeHenderson said:

I kind of cringe when I read that kind of thing

God does not control...we are not controlled...he does not control a child walking out into the street who is hit by a car

Sin is a tremendous factor in this world...

the Bible states that ALL things work together for the good of those who are His...even the bad things if we allow Him...that does not mean He causes bad things...that is a misunderstanding of God's omnipotence

And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. Romans 8:28

We can read Revelation and we know the end...but all the choices in between are choices...otherwise, why bother to even pray?

I believe in God's sovereignty but the Bible also indicates we have a will...in fact, when God gave the commandments, did He not say 'this day choose whom you will serve? He knows the beginning from the end, so He knows who will do what...He does not make them do it

ember · Apr 27, 2016

John146 said:

They repented...which is what stayed God's hand...the word Jonah was to speak indicated the city would be destroyed IF they did not repent...they heard the message and repented...which means they humbled themselves before their Creator

1Then the word of the Lord came to Jonah a second time: 2“Go to the great city of Nineveh and proclaim to it the message I give you.”3Jonah obeyed the word of the Lord and went to Nineveh. Now Nineveh was a very large city; it took three days to go through it.
4Jonah began by going a day’s journey into the city, proclaiming, “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown.” 5The Ninevites believed God. A fast was proclaimed, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth.
6When Jonah’s warning reached the king of Nineveh, he rose from his throne, took off his royal robes, covered himself with sackcloth and sat down in the dust. Jonah 3

and speaking of free will, Jonah is a case in point...God USED the fish...He controlled it...two different things

John146 · Apr 27, 2016

ember said:

Jonah's message did not include "if you don't repent." The message was clear, "yet forty days and Nineveh shall be overthrown." So the question is: Did God have every intention of destroying Nineveh? Yes. Why would they be overthrown?

Jonah 1:2, "Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me."

ember · Apr 27, 2016

John146 said:

well why on earth do you suppose God sent Jonah there to warn them?

honestly...

read the whole book

John146 · Apr 27, 2016

ember said:

God sent Jonah there to tell them that destruction is coming their way, that the God of Israel, Jonah's God was going to destroy them in forty days. Could you post the verse in Jonah where it says, if you repent? Thanks.

ember · Apr 27, 2016

John146 said:

better yet, could you tell me what the purpose of the book is?

is it an advert?

is it a space filler cause God wanted one more book?

why did God send Jonah? to make noise?

no...John 3:16...that's why

common sense....

ps: Jonah's God? seriously? is that a diff God than the rest of the OT?

ps: I'm not as snarky as I sound right now...but seriously, come on man...think a bit

John146 · Apr 27, 2016

ember said:

The purpose of the book of Jonah is to show us how God was protecting the "promised seed" throughout the OT. Nineveh was an enemy of Israel and wanted to destroy them, influenced by the evil one no doubt. Their wickedness had come up before God. God had every intention of destroying Nineveh, but since they repented, He repented.

The Lord Jesus would use Jonah as a type of what He was going to do; "as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

God was not out to offer Nineveh His mercy. They received it in the end, but only because they repented of the evil they were doing and cried out to Him. They were certainly hoping He would change His mind. That was their only hope.

ps: Jonah's God, not the god of Nineveh.

ember · Apr 27, 2016

I have a type in mind too

I think if I keep reading your impossibly narrow and presumptuous posts I shall develop a type of headache...and I don't get headaches

gee that's not what He told me....so He was just wasting everyone's time then...right..........

good...keep bailing...rearrange the deck chairs too...the ice berg is still looming

full speed ahead

PilgrimPassingThru · Apr 27, 2016

John146 said:

Wouldnt that fall under what Jermiah speaks of without really having to say so much though?

For example,

Jerm 18:7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;

Jerm 18:8If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

Whereas Jesus said, Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh ...repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

John146 · Apr 27, 2016

ember said:

God had every intention on destroying Nineveh. He wasn't "wasting time." I never "bail" or "rearrange" the word of God. I read it. I believe it, every word. I one of those people. Please post a verse in the book of Jonah where they were given a choice through Jonah's preaching. It's not there. Don't add to or take away.

PilgrimPassingThru · Apr 27, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

As he says in Jeremiah...

Jerm 18:7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;

Jerm 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

And after his fleeing the commission of the word of the LORD (the first time) the word of the Lord came again to Jonah a second time.

Jonah 3:1 And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

Jonah 3:2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

Jonah 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey,and he cried, and said,

Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown. (Jerm 18:7-8 would still apply I would think)

God spake by the prophets and it says,

Jonah 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

Jona 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way;

And God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. (In accord with Jerm 18:7-8)

Again...

Jerm 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil,

I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.

And again,Jona 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way;

And God repented of the evil...

Even as the LORD hath said,

I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live:

Similarly here

Ezek 33:7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

Mat 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

They repented at the preaching of Jonas, and Jesus also was sent unto them to bless them (first) in this way

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. (See 2 Ti 2:19 also)

Likewise Paul says,

Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.

But right here again in respects to his blood will He require at the watchmans hand it says

Ezek 33:6 But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

Whereas Paul had said similarly

Acts 20:26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.

Adding,

Acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

jsr1221 · Apr 28, 2016

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And this is the problem of inventing your own god. Did you notice what you did there? That wasn't about God. That was about your life.

Denver Broncos won the Super Bowl by God's providence. How do I know that? Because they won the Super Bowl. Was it all about some football team winning the big game? Nope. Although God gave his people something for their good, gave other people something for their bad, most folks in the world weren't directly affected by it, but some folks were. Peyton Manning, one of God's people, got a nice present out of the deal -- a nice way to retire, but something probably happened to him before, during or after that game that furthered God's kingdom in some kind of way that none of us will ever know about in this life.

And then there is that janitor, who was tasked with clean up after the big game and who is also God's people, therefore God did something for her/him related to that particular game and much bigger, related to God and his kingdom.

And then some factory worker in East Jabip who is also part of God's kingdom made something for that game that gave him/her a paycheck one more week, which means he/she decided to tithe that paycheck which helped some person down on their luck get a little something that brightened their day and made them realize God really does care.

And then there was that guy and his wife sitting in his hospital room in 6 West who just had a really tough couple of months -- the reason he's in the hospital -- and they weren't even sure if he'd live to see that Super Bowl game, but hey? What did they get out of it? Monkey-dog-baby! Which made them laugh for a moment (well, he laughed, she really couldn't see the screen because she wasn't facing it right) and they finally had a couple of hours together again that didn't involve some doctor or nurse poking, prodding, or worrying about something or another, reminding them that God really is involved in every little thing, even if they aren't in Denver, not in Pittsburgh, and not even in whatever that city was that hosted the game.

So yeah. If it happens, it is God's providence, because he is in perfect control over everything.

You, apparently, are in control of an alarm clock and a car, in need of food and a bathroom.

Except God doesn't fix sports or cares who wins. See the Patriots and then see a guy after God's Will in Tim Tebow.

Depleted · Apr 28, 2016

RobbyEarl said:

Nope, you just summed up what you got out of that one verse -- John 3:16 -- in that whole chapter, like just about everyone does. Funny thing. That was in the middle of a long explanation Jesus gave but too many disregard the before and after.

1ofthem · Apr 28, 2016

Depleted said:

Yeah, I guess sometimes it could be funny all by itself...but I am going to try not to overuse it like I did before...NOT....LOL

Depleted · Apr 28, 2016

jsr1221 said:

Really? But he cares about you having an alarm clock, going to work, eating, and having a bathroom? Yup. It really is, always, about you.

(BTW, Peyton is a Christian. Just because he doesn't make it all shiny to impress people like others do, doesn't mean he's not. And yet, look what impresses you. Getting down on one knee in a stadium for 15 minutes of fame.)

psychomom · Apr 28, 2016

For I am the LORD; I will speak the word that I will speak, and it will be performed. It will no longer be delayed (Ez 12:25a)

I know that you can do all things, and that no purpose of Yours can be thwarted. (Job 42:2)

For the LORD of hosts has planned, and who can frustrate it? And as for His stretched-out hand, who can turn it back? (Is 4:27)

oh, and if 1 Pet 3:9 meant what it appears we think it does, we'd all be universalists.
because God's will is always accomplished.

1ofthem · Apr 28, 2016

John146 said:

I think the whole story of Jonah and the whale shows that we all have freewill. God's will for Jonah was to go and preach to Ninevah. He chose not to and was brought down or swallowed by the whale. God didn't make him go to Ninevah, but he made him wish he had. In not obeying God's will from the beginning, Jonah actually brought the whale upon his own self. If he had just went when God said to he wouldn't have been swallowed by the whale.

Ninevah didn't have to repent at Jonah's preaching, but they did, and they wasn't destroyed at that time. However, Ninevah did choose to go against God's will again and at that time they were destroyed, but it was their own choice.

PurerInHeart · Apr 28, 2016

jsr1221 said:

I came across an article that talked about how Christians nowadays always try to use God for each reasoning. It ultimately talked about how the typical Christian believes God is behind everything and everything happens for a reason. The author said we as the church needed to stop this thinking, because everything doesn't happen for a reason. After giving it thought, I agree. Let me give an example.

A situation generally has two outcomes. How can God be behind every single outcome when those outcomes contradict each other? Opposite outcomes contradict each other, and if we say God's Will is behind everything and everything happens for a reason, then we're essentially saying God is a contradiction. Because one outcome can be positive and the other would be negative. So why would God have both a positive and negative (sinful) outcome for His will, when He is against sin? Everything doesn't happen for a reason, and not everything is according to His Will. He can use any situation for His glory, but that doesn't mean that situation was His Will. We do, after all, have free will.

Everything does happen for a reason. We either sin or not sin because God gave us free will. And just like a GPS, God refigures if we make a wrong turn. God's Will is for us to have free will until death and judgement, so God's Will is being carried out.

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