Good Thursday?

hornetguy · Apr 3, 2017

I'm curious... on what day do you guys and gals think that the crucifixion took place?

I've always thought it was on Friday, but recent reading and contemplation makes me wonder if it was actually Thursday?

Is there any concrete evidence when the Passover Sabbath was, in the year he was crucified?

And... for the record, to me this is NOT a salvation issue... to me, the salvation issue is THAT he was crucified, and rose again.

Base12 · Apr 3, 2017

Here is Chuck Missler's view for what it's worth...

[video=youtube;LTMagn5bz8M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTMagn5bz8M[/video]

Spokenpassage · Apr 3, 2017

If I remember I heard that in the synoptic gospel accounts, that Christ ate the Passover on the that festival date, while John's account shows that he was crucified on the day of the Passover. Some see this as a discrepancy. I've heard from several sources that in that day, the Passover date was debated and held one after the other depending on which region you lived in (Galilee or Judea).

Locutus · Apr 3, 2017

You have to work out when the 14th fell in accordance with coming the saturday Sabbath.

3 days and 3 nights.

Johnny_B · Apr 4, 2017

Here's an idea that makes good sense, it starts by explaining "heart of the earth" does not mean the tomb, that it is referring to His punishment and judgement. Isaiah 53:5 "But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed." That this was the beginning of Him being in the belly of the earth or in the grip of the world. Here's the link.

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-...-how-jesus-was-in-the-tomb-3-days-/-3-nights-

I've read another idea, that the saying "three days and three nights" was an idiom that covered two nights and three days. With Jesus' resurrection being in the morning that's two nights. Notice the Jewish day started at 6:00 pm and a special sabbath was going to happen the next day, that's which starts at 6pm, so they needed to get Him in the tomb before 6pm. John 19:31. "Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." Which doesn't supports the Thursday crucifixion idea, which I believe is the right day, as far as the idiom or the idea that "belly of the earth" was His time being punished, judged, crucified and His time in the Tomb sounds interesting but I'd have to do more research on it.

Now that I've done some investigation, it really convinces my that the crucifixion took place on Thursday, with the Idea of the three day and three night starting when Jesus was handed over to Pilate at about 6am our Thursday morning, to be judged, punished, bruised, whipped and then crucified, Jesus rose at about 6am our Sunday morning, which is 72 hours. What do you guys think?

Johnny_B · Apr 4, 2017

Locutus said:

John 19:31 says it a high holiday or a special sabbath, many Bible scholars believe that Friday was a special sabbath. Not sure if this happened in the year of jubilee or not, but that could be why that Friday was a special sabbath.

hornetguy · Apr 4, 2017

Johnny_B said:

I believe the special Sabbath was the Passover... the 7 days of Passover included a high Sabbath, from what I hear. Therefore, there were TWO Sabbaths at that time, the high Sabbath of Passover, and then the regular Saturday Sabbath... (Shabbat?)

I'm certainly not a Jewish scholar (and I don't play one on the interweb...

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Locutus · Apr 4, 2017

From what I've read HTG there were two sabbaths, so that places the crucifixion on Wed.

hornetguy · Apr 4, 2017

I found a really good paper (takes about 11 minutes to read) explaining how it was a Thursday crucifixion. Research was done by the Scottish Observatory to determine the days of the week of the full moon, which I THINK is when Passover happens.
Anyway, the original Palm Sunday, Jesus' entry into Jerusalem on the donkey was on Nisan 10, which corresponds to the Jewish presentation/selection of the Passover lamb. The Passover lamb is slaughtered on Nisan 14, which would have been Thursday, Jesus is crucified on that day. The next day, Friday, begins the feast of Unleavened Bread (a high Sabbath), then the normal weekly Sabbath on Saturday, followed by the first day of the week, Sunday, when Jesus had arisen from the grave... three nights and three days.

Here's a link to the article.... pretty interesting.... https://gracethrufaith.com/topical-...ys/solving-the-three-day-three-night-mystery/

I listened to the first Missler video, and he didn't get into why he thinks it was Wednesday... I'll see if I can find the 2nd part of that video.

Locutus · Apr 4, 2017

I tend to go with the above.

Magenta · Apr 4, 2017

hornetguy said:

Actually he did somewhat at least, for the spices were bought and then there was a Sabbath and then the spices were prepared and then another (the weekly) Sabbath and then the women went to the tomb early Sunday morning with the spices to prepare the body of Christ.

According to the Wednesday viewpoint, the only explanation that does not violate the biblical account of the women and the spices and holds to a literal understanding of Matthew 12:40, is that Christ was crucified on Wednesday. The Sabbath that was a high holy day (Passover) occurred on Thursday, the women purchased spices (after that) on Friday and returned and prepared the spices on the same day, they rested on Saturday which was the weekly Sabbath, then brought the spices to the tomb early Sunday. Jesus was buried near sundown on Wednesday, which began Thursday in the Jewish calendar. Using a Jewish calendar, you have Thursday night (night one), Thursday day (day one), Friday night (night two), Friday day (day two), Saturday night (night three), Saturday day (day three). We do not know exactly what time He rose, but we do know that it was before sunrise on Sunday. He could have risen as early as just after sunset Saturday evening, which began the first day of the week to the Jews. The discovery of the empty tomb was made just at sunrise (Mark 16:2), before it was fully light (John 20:1). https://www.gotquestions.org/three-days.html

john832 · Apr 4, 2017

hornetguy said:

Passover is not a Sabbath. The next day, the First Day of Unleavened Bread is.

As far as when Christ was crucified, It was on Wednesday. He was in the tomb three days and three nights...

Mat 12:38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You."
Mat 12:39 But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.
Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

How long is a day? 24 hours...

Joh 11:9 Jesus answered, "Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world.
Joh 11:10 But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him."

12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of night. Days run from sunset to sunset. We read that in the creation account in Genesis 1. We also read that in Lev 23...

Lev 23:32 It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath."

Now back to Mat 12, if Christ was not in the tomb three days and three nights, then He did not fulfill the ONLY sign He said He would give.

Buried at sunset on Wednesday afternoon, resurrected at sunset on Sabbath afternoon and when the ladies came to the tomb early Sunday morning, before daylight, He was already gone...

Joh 20:1 Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.
Joh 20:2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him."

Still dark and He was not there. He had been resurrected on Sabbath afternoon at sunset (three days and three nights in the tomb) exactly as He said He would be.

john832 · Apr 4, 2017

hornetguy said:

I found a really good paper (takes about 11 minutes to read) explaining how it was a Thursday crucifixion. Research was done by the Scottish Observatory to determine the days of the week of the full moon, which I THINK is when Passover happens.
Anyway, the original Palm Sunday, Jesus' entry into Jerusalem on the donkey was on Nisan 10, which corresponds to the Jewish presentation/selection of the Passover lamb. The Passover lamb is slaughtered on Nisan 14, which would have been Thursday, Jesus is crucified on that day. The next day, Friday, begins the feast of Unleavened Bread (a high Sabbath), then the normal weekly Sabbath on Saturday, followed by the first day of the week, Sunday, when Jesus had arisen from the grave... three nights and three days.

Here's a link to the article.... pretty interesting.... https://gracethrufaith.com/topical-...ys/solving-the-three-day-three-night-mystery/

I listened to the first Missler video, and he didn't get into why he thinks it was Wednesday... I'll see if I can find the 2nd part of that video.

That's interesting but how do you count three days and three nights from Thursday afternoon to Sunday morning?

hornetguy · Apr 4, 2017

see if this works... it's from the paper I linked...

john832 · Apr 4, 2017

hornetguy said:

You do not have to be a Jewish scholar to read the Bible...

Lev 23:4 'These are the feasts of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times.
Lev 23:5 On the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight is the LORD's Passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.
Lev 23:8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.' "

The day after the Passover is the First day of Unleavened Bread, a high day.

Joh 19:31 Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Thursday of that year was a high day, the First Day of Unleavened Bread.

john832 · Apr 4, 2017

hornetguy said:

Let's see, Thursday night is 1 night, Friday makes 1 Day, Friday night makes 2 nights, Saturday makes 2 days, Saturday night makes 3 nights and remember, He was not in the tomb on Sunday morning while it was yet dark, John 20:1 and you are a day short of the three days and three nights.

BeyondET · Apr 4, 2017

To be in the belly, the path is seized by the mouth.

Magenta · Apr 4, 2017

hornetguy said:

That diagram has Jesus on the cross on Passover. That cannot work...

garee · Apr 4, 2017

Johnny_B said:

Here's an idea that makes good sense, it starts by explaining "heart of the earth" does not mean the tomb, that it is referring to His punishment and judgement. Isaiah 53:5 "But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed." That this was the beginning of Him being in the belly of the earth or in the grip of the world. Here's the link.

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-...-how-jesus-was-in-the-tomb-3-days-/-3-nights-

I've read another idea, that the saying "three days and three nights" was an idiom that covered two nights and three days. With Jesus' resurrection being in the morning that's two nights. Notice the Jewish day started at 6:00 pm and a special sabbath was going to happen the next day, that's which starts at 6pm, so they needed to get Him in the tomb before 6pm. John 19:31. "Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." Which doesn't supports the Thursday crucifixion idea, which I believe is the right day, as far as the idiom or the idea that "belly of the earth" was His time being punished, judged, crucified and His time in the Tomb sounds interesting but I'd have to do more research on it.

Now that I've done some investigation, it really convinces my that the crucifixion took place on Thursday, with the Idea of the three day and three night starting when Jesus was handed over to Pilate at about 6am our Thursday morning, to be judged, punished, bruised, whipped and then crucified, Jesus rose at about 6am our Sunday morning, which is 72 hours. What do you guys think?

I would agree it is how we define the phrase the "heart of the earth" .We can see a demonstration of it in the garden on Wednesday as Christ called out to the father ,take this cup of suffering from me,as you will. The father strengthened him according to that will .Just as the Father cast Jonas out of hell the great tribulation the belly of a big fish onto the dry ground..

Magenta · Apr 4, 2017

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