Gospel of the Kingdom vs the Gospel Paul preached
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Don't put words in my mouth... I believe the sermon on the mount is Gods very words and through the Spirit and sound doctrine in the gospel we obey. I believe that we still see many promises made to Israel after the flesh...and that God has made clear through Pauls teachings that He stills regards the promises He made to fathers. The one does disqualify the other... and a promise to Israel is rightly divided in context and in sound doctrine.
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Here we go again !!!
Trying to act as if Jesus and Paul taught two totally different messages when they did not.
Paul taught and expounded on everything the Lord taught and even warned others about teachings that deny Jesus words. Paul said that is preaching another gospel and another Jesus by doing so.....
Jesus in His final command of the "great commission" what does Jesus state for all believers to do ???
Jesus said we are to observe/obey all that He commanded..............
Trying to act as if Jesus and Paul taught two totally different messages when they did not.
Paul taught and expounded on everything the Lord taught and even warned others about teachings that deny Jesus words. Paul said that is preaching another gospel and another Jesus by doing so.....
Jesus in His final command of the "great commission" what does Jesus state for all believers to do ???
Jesus said we are to observe/obey all that He commanded..............
So, can I borrow your car? You are to give it to me without question. Do you resist evil? You shouldn't, according to what Jesus was teaching. Calling someone a fool would land you in hell fire.
Jesus revealed to Paul what he should preach to the Gentiles through an abundance of revelations. When I follow what Paul preached, I follow Christ and what Christ revealed to Paul and not what Christ taught to the Jews at His first coming.
Jesus revealed to Paul what he should preach to the Gentiles through an abundance of revelations. When I follow what Paul preached, I follow Christ and what Christ revealed to Paul and not what Christ taught to the Jews at His first coming.
"Jesus said we are to observe/obey all that He commanded..............".
...that statement alone without the rightly dividing of scripture with the New Covenant mindset will have us cutting off our hands and plucking out our eyes..and to be perfect as God is perfect.. Oh..people try to water it down by saying it's just a way of speech but the law demands perfection in all areas!
Jesus also said to "Go into all the world and preach..starting in Jerusalem"...did we do that?..no..we are disobeying Jesus and His words...we are not "abiding in Him "....we don't love God.....( this is not true..btw ))...I'm just using the usual arguments people have if you don't agree with their interpretation of Jesus' word about something....we need to rightly divide the word of God through the finished work of Christ
Thank God we have someone that tells us what Jesus's command s really are in the New Covenant....John the beloved disciple ( funny how he is only called the "disciple that Jesus loved in his own gospel..John knew of the love of God for him and 'confessed " it..)
1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
If we don't have a proper lens of looking at all scripture through the finished works of Christ..we get all kinds of doctrines of men...they mean well and have a zeal for God but without knowledge,
...that statement alone without the rightly dividing of scripture with the New Covenant mindset will have us cutting off our hands and plucking out our eyes..and to be perfect as God is perfect.. Oh..people try to water it down by saying it's just a way of speech but the law demands perfection in all areas!
Jesus also said to "Go into all the world and preach..starting in Jerusalem"...did we do that?..no..we are disobeying Jesus and His words...we are not "abiding in Him "....we don't love God.....( this is not true..btw ))...I'm just using the usual arguments people have if you don't agree with their interpretation of Jesus' word about something....we need to rightly divide the word of God through the finished work of Christ
Thank God we have someone that tells us what Jesus's command s really are in the New Covenant....John the beloved disciple ( funny how he is only called the "disciple that Jesus loved in his own gospel..John knew of the love of God for him and 'confessed " it..)
1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
If we don't have a proper lens of looking at all scripture through the finished works of Christ..we get all kinds of doctrines of men...they mean well and have a zeal for God but without knowledge,
What I meant is the same thing I've been saying, even thought the Lord told them, they didn't understand it because God hid it from them. If they knew about the outcome of the cross then Satan would have known. Satan never would have initiated it to happen. He wanted to kill the seed of promise (Genesis 3:15).
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Where do get this understanding from ???
I am just to let you borrow my car without question, that has no basis in the bible as it says we are to test all things and hold fast to that which is good. I have every right to ask you why you need to borrow it, there is nothing against that or make it wrong to ask.
What Jesus was saying about do not resist an evil person was about not turning anybody away no matter what they have done, but to still show them God's love !!!
If you have read and studied Paul you would see he touched on, taught, and expounded on everything that Jesus addressed. Paul did not do away with or override anything the Lord said !!!
No it is watering down what Jesus said if you don't teach others what Jesus was actually saying in those passages, as in the plucking out the eyes and cutting off of hands was not said in the literal sense to actual do that.
Jesus was making a point how important it is to put off sinful actions, or they will lead us to hell if we do not address them and remove them from our lives.
If your eye causes you to lust/covet............Find something else to focus on like His word instead of what you are lusting over.
If your hand causes you to steal/inflict harm................Work to afford what you want and learn to have compassion and mercy
So on and so on.........................
You are right about rightly dividing the word, but when mentioning that you need to go into detail and show how that is done instead of just say that term.
As for going into all the world to preach that evangelitical process is still done today and has never ceased, do all believers get called to do this? No, but we are called to share the Word of God with as many people as we can !!!
As for 1 John 3:23 here again John gives these two because the others will be fulfilled by keeping these two, and that is because believing in Jesus and loving one another will cause no harm to others and will lead one in obedience to the Lord !!!
I am just to let you borrow my car without question, that has no basis in the bible as it says we are to test all things and hold fast to that which is good. I have every right to ask you why you need to borrow it, there is nothing against that or make it wrong to ask.
What Jesus was saying about do not resist an evil person was about not turning anybody away no matter what they have done, but to still show them God's love !!!
If you have read and studied Paul you would see he touched on, taught, and expounded on everything that Jesus addressed. Paul did not do away with or override anything the Lord said !!!
No it is watering down what Jesus said if you don't teach others what Jesus was actually saying in those passages, as in the plucking out the eyes and cutting off of hands was not said in the literal sense to actual do that.
Jesus was making a point how important it is to put off sinful actions, or they will lead us to hell if we do not address them and remove them from our lives.
If your eye causes you to lust/covet............Find something else to focus on like His word instead of what you are lusting over.
If your hand causes you to steal/inflict harm................Work to afford what you want and learn to have compassion and mercy
So on and so on.........................
You are right about rightly dividing the word, but when mentioning that you need to go into detail and show how that is done instead of just say that term.
As for going into all the world to preach that evangelitical process is still done today and has never ceased, do all believers get called to do this? No, but we are called to share the Word of God with as many people as we can !!!
As for 1 John 3:23 here again John gives these two because the others will be fulfilled by keeping these two, and that is because believing in Jesus and loving one another will cause no harm to others and will lead one in obedience to the Lord !!!
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I personally would stop at (v.32). I think that (vs.31&32) correspond to the Church in Pergamos, and very likely Rev.18:2 could be indicative of the unbelievers of all nations that have invaded the sphere of the believers the (visable church, the mustard tree).
The "birds of the air" (v.32) (satan is the prince of the power of the air) seems to me to correspond to Rev.2.
Yes, so my point is the disciples and Jesus were going around preaching the gospel of the kingdom. What was the gospel of the kingdom? Was it the preaching of the death, burial and resurrection? It's obvious that the gospel of the kingdom is not quite the same as the gospel Paul was given to preach.
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Didn't Jesus say "get thee behind me satan"? We're always in a spiritual battle on this earth and I don't think Peter was an exception. I don't think the disciples expected Jesus to die. Remember the two disciples that Jesus walked with on the road to Emmaus, and how when Jesus asked them what they were talking about they said:
"But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these things were done." Luke 24:21
I think they were expecting Jesus to establish the kingdom at that time, not die. That is probably why Bar Kokhba that the Jewish scholars had declared to be the long awaited Messiah had such a great following. People wanted relief from Rome and expected that Jesus would defeat them and establish the kingdom. Jesus told the disciples when they asked him if he was going to restore the kingdom to Israel:
"It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power."
Acts 1:7
"But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these things were done." Luke 24:21
I think they were expecting Jesus to establish the kingdom at that time, not die. That is probably why Bar Kokhba that the Jewish scholars had declared to be the long awaited Messiah had such a great following. People wanted relief from Rome and expected that Jesus would defeat them and establish the kingdom. Jesus told the disciples when they asked him if he was going to restore the kingdom to Israel:
"It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power."
Acts 1:7