Grace: A License to Sin (FALSE!)
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I am merely preaching against a sin and still be saved doctrine. I am also preaching against those who say they will always sin and cannot help it. Both beliefs are wrong and the Bible does not support either belief. If some folks here do not adhere to one of these beliefs then there is no reason to get upset. The message from the Word of God that I preach on these points is spoken generally and not specifically. Meaning, if you believe the above, then it applies to you. If you do not believe the above, then it does not apply.
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Problem is you're talking to people that either 1: don't know what repent means, or 2: don't think it applies to them.
Repent is to reverse, turn away from. Essentially do a 180, go the opposite direction. They think that when they sin, they aren't doing the same thing they did before they got saved.
They think sin isn't as harmful after they get saved as it was before. They simply don't believe what Christ told us or what Christ told Paul to tell us.
Man alive, I have enough problems...I am sure glad that is one I don't have to answer for on top of everything else.
Repent is to reverse, turn away from. Essentially do a 180, go the opposite direction. They think that when they sin, they aren't doing the same thing they did before they got saved.
They think sin isn't as harmful after they get saved as it was before. They simply don't believe what Christ told us or what Christ told Paul to tell us.
Man alive, I have enough problems...I am sure glad that is one I don't have to answer for on top of everything else.
1. Matthew 6:15 says if we do not forgive, we are not forgiven.
2. 1 John 3:15 says if we hate our brother, we are a murderer and we know no murderer has eternal life abiding in them.
3. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (Hebrews 10:26).
4. Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him (Hebrews 10:38).
5. 1 John 1:6 says, If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
6. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. (2 Peter 2:20).
7. He that confesses and forsakes sin will have mercy (Proverbs 28:13).
8. If we walk in the light as he is in the light then the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).
9. For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also not spare you. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness: otherwise you also shall be cut off. (Romans 11:21-22).
10. Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. (Hebrews 3:12).
2. 1 John 3:15 says if we hate our brother, we are a murderer and we know no murderer has eternal life abiding in them.
3. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (Hebrews 10:26).
4. Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him (Hebrews 10:38).
5. 1 John 1:6 says, If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
6. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. (2 Peter 2:20).
7. He that confesses and forsakes sin will have mercy (Proverbs 28:13).
8. If we walk in the light as he is in the light then the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).
9. For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also not spare you. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness: otherwise you also shall be cut off. (Romans 11:21-22).
10. Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. (Hebrews 3:12).
First, I do respond to people if they show me love and respect and if they talk about the Word of God. If people are out to insult me instead of sticking to discussing the Scriptures, then I will ignore them. Other times, I do miss people's posts and do not have time to reply to everybody. Second, I provide Scripture and not an agenda of my own making. God's Word is the standard by which I preach.
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i wasn't going to get involved, but here i am.
you think so long as your words are 'kind and loving' you're doing really swell.
but you show neither love nor respect for anyone here in your dogged
"I am right and everyone else is wrong" stance.
don't bother saying you just teach what the Bible teaches, for neither do you do that.
until you learn to receive correction from the Body, you are useless in building or edifying it.
you have, indeed, built your own little agenda which you claim comes from God's Word,
and in reality you ought, at your age, to be able to see all you do is upset people.
no one is upset because you have made some sort of cause celebre of reproving other people.
we're upset because what you really need is a mirror.
i wasn't going to get involved, but here i am.
you think so long as your words are 'kind and loving' you're doing really swell.
but you show neither love nor respect for anyone here in your dogged
"I am right and everyone else is wrong" stance.
don't bother saying you just teach what the Bible teaches, for neither do you do that.
until you learn to receive correction from the Body, you are useless in building or edifying it.
you have, indeed, built your own little agenda which you claim comes from God's Word,
and in reality you ought, at your age, to be able to see all you do is upset people.
no one is upset because you have made some sort of cause celebre of reproving other people.
we're upset because what you really need is a mirror.
1 Peter 4:1 - Does Peter really believe that Christians can reach a state of sinless perfection? The Bible teaches that none of us will reach a state of sinless perfection this side of eternity. John writes, “If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us” (1 Jn. 1:8). James writes, “For we all stumble in many ways” (Jas. 3:2), referring to Christian believers. Paul speaks of the flesh and Spirit battling one another in the life of the Christian (Gal. 5:17), and he himself experienced this personal struggle with sin (Rom. 7:17). For this reason, Peter cannot be teaching sinless perfection.
When Peter writes that a Christian has “ceased” from sin, this could refer to the way in which suffering can grow us spiritually. In this way, Peter isn’t speaking absolutely about ceasing from sin; instead, he is referring to experientially as we grow with Christ. Greek scholar AT Robertson comments - Hath ceased from sin (pepautai amartia). Perfect middle indicative of pauw to make cease and the ablative singular amartia, but B reads the dative plural amartiai (cf. Romans 6:1 ). Romans 6:1 - Shall we continue in sin? Present active deliberative subjunctive of epimenw, old verb to tarry with locative case. The practice of sin as a habit (present tense) is here raised, not sinless perfection.
Galatians 5:24 - "Have crucified the flesh" is in the aorist tense, suggesting an action that took place in the past. A parallel passage may be found in Romans 6:6 and 11, which state, "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin...Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord". Victory over the flesh with its passions and lusts has already been provided for us by Christ through His death. We appropriate this truth by faith instead of self-effort.
John 8:34 - Note the use of poiwn (present active participle, continuous habit or practice), not poihsa (aorist active participle for single act), precisely as in 1 John 3:4-8.
Romans 6:14 - For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace. By contrast under grace means living under the new covenant in Christ, in an era characterized by grace (Romans 3:24; 4:16; 5:2).
Psalm 119:11 - "might not sin against you" does not mean never sin again at all.
Ezekiel 18:24 - No sinless perfection taught here. Ezekiel 18:29 - Yet the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not fair.' O house of Israel, is it not My ways which are fair, and your ways which are not fair?
Ezekiel 33:13, When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die. Did you read that? “If he trusts in his OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS.” This is the heart of the matter here. This is describing a righteousness which is by the law rather than that which is by faith. The New Testament states in Romans 10:3-4 - “For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believes."
Unrepentant sin means there is no remorse and no repentance for this sin, just bring it on. That would be to practice sin, which is descriptive of an unbeliever, not a believer (1 John 3:8-10).
You have already admitted that you have not overcome all sin in your life, so are you saying to me now that you will not sin at all in the future? Who is making an excuse for sin? The flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another...the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. We don't just wake up one day and decide never to sin again and it's as simple as 1,2,3.
So you are saying that Romans 6:23 is merely talking about being "initially" saved but then ultimately we will be saved based on our performance/sinless perfection?
In regards to Hebrews 5:9, who is it that OBEYS Him? Believers or unbelievers? (Romans 10:16; 1 John 2:3-4; 3:8-10). This is descriptive language. Only believers obey Him. Unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much so called obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to save themselves by works.
So why have you not completely overcome ALL sin? The narrow way that leads unto life is through the door "Jesus Christ" - He is the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except THROUGH HIM. Not by works, not by sinless perfection. Are you mixed up in some kind of holiness movement?
When Peter writes that a Christian has “ceased” from sin, this could refer to the way in which suffering can grow us spiritually. In this way, Peter isn’t speaking absolutely about ceasing from sin; instead, he is referring to experientially as we grow with Christ. Greek scholar AT Robertson comments - Hath ceased from sin (pepautai amartia). Perfect middle indicative of pauw to make cease and the ablative singular amartia, but B reads the dative plural amartiai (cf. Romans 6:1 ). Romans 6:1 - Shall we continue in sin? Present active deliberative subjunctive of epimenw, old verb to tarry with locative case. The practice of sin as a habit (present tense) is here raised, not sinless perfection.
Galatians 5:24 - "Have crucified the flesh" is in the aorist tense, suggesting an action that took place in the past. A parallel passage may be found in Romans 6:6 and 11, which state, "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin...Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord". Victory over the flesh with its passions and lusts has already been provided for us by Christ through His death. We appropriate this truth by faith instead of self-effort.
John 8:34 - Note the use of poiwn (present active participle, continuous habit or practice), not poihsa (aorist active participle for single act), precisely as in 1 John 3:4-8.
Romans 6:14 - For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace. By contrast under grace means living under the new covenant in Christ, in an era characterized by grace (Romans 3:24; 4:16; 5:2).
Psalm 119:11 - "might not sin against you" does not mean never sin again at all.
Ezekiel 18:24 - No sinless perfection taught here. Ezekiel 18:29 - Yet the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not fair.' O house of Israel, is it not My ways which are fair, and your ways which are not fair?
Ezekiel 33:13, When I say to the righteous that he shall surely live, but he trusts in his own righteousness and commits iniquity, none of his righteous works shall be remembered; but because of the iniquity that he has committed, he shall die. Did you read that? “If he trusts in his OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS.” This is the heart of the matter here. This is describing a righteousness which is by the law rather than that which is by faith. The New Testament states in Romans 10:3-4 - “For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believes."
Unrepentant sin means there is no remorse and no repentance for this sin, just bring it on. That would be to practice sin, which is descriptive of an unbeliever, not a believer (1 John 3:8-10).
You have already admitted that you have not overcome all sin in your life, so are you saying to me now that you will not sin at all in the future? Who is making an excuse for sin? The flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another...the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. We don't just wake up one day and decide never to sin again and it's as simple as 1,2,3.
So you are saying that Romans 6:23 is merely talking about being "initially" saved but then ultimately we will be saved based on our performance/sinless perfection?
In regards to Hebrews 5:9, who is it that OBEYS Him? Believers or unbelievers? (Romans 10:16; 1 John 2:3-4; 3:8-10). This is descriptive language. Only believers obey Him. Unbelievers do not obey Him no matter how much so called obedience that they attempt to conjure up through the flesh in a vain effort to save themselves by works. So why have you not completely overcome ALL sin? The narrow way that leads unto life is through the door "Jesus Christ" - He is the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except THROUGH HIM. Not by works, not by sinless perfection. Are you mixed up in some kind of holiness movement?
First, you are saying that I cannot know that I am right and other people are wrong according to the Scriptures. That doesn't make any sense. Jesus and the apostles surely know what was right from wrong and they did not hide in a corner in letting other people know about it. For it's why a true believer can correct with the Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16). For they have a certainty of what God's Word plainly says.
Second, as for your statement about looking into a mirror: As I said before:
#1. My statement against a wrong belief is general to the masses and not pinpointed to any one particular person.
(Yes, there are times where I address a person's bad behavior or condoning of evil, but I also try to ask a question so as to clarify where they are going with that belief rather than just exclusively throwing stones at them).
#2. I am not claiming I am perfect and that I have completely conquered all sin in my life. What I am claiming is that I believe it is possible to stop sinning completely as a part of our walk with Christ because that is what the Scriptures teach. That is our goal as believers. To crucify the affections and lusts. Granted, I do not live in unrepentant sin as a way of life and nor do I make excuses for sin. I confess and forsake sin (Which is in accordance to 1 John 2:1, 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:6-7, 1 John 2:4, and Proverbs 28:13).
While there are many differences between us, some noticable difference between us (that you should consider) is that:
#1. I don't set out to attack or judge a person personally. I only judge sometimes when I have been judged wrongfully.
I set out to judge primarily the wrong behavior or belief (i.e. the sin and not the sinner).
#2. I do not essentially say I will be a slave to sin whereby Christ will not be able to conquer sin in my life. I believe those Scriptures that a believer can stop sinning (Such as 1 Peter 4:1, Galatians 5:24, Romans 6:14, Ephesians 4:17-27, Psalm 119:11).
I hope this helps you to understand where I am coming from.
Please be well.
And may God bless you.
Second, as for your statement about looking into a mirror: As I said before:
#1. My statement against a wrong belief is general to the masses and not pinpointed to any one particular person.
(Yes, there are times where I address a person's bad behavior or condoning of evil, but I also try to ask a question so as to clarify where they are going with that belief rather than just exclusively throwing stones at them).
#2. I am not claiming I am perfect and that I have completely conquered all sin in my life. What I am claiming is that I believe it is possible to stop sinning completely as a part of our walk with Christ because that is what the Scriptures teach. That is our goal as believers. To crucify the affections and lusts. Granted, I do not live in unrepentant sin as a way of life and nor do I make excuses for sin. I confess and forsake sin (Which is in accordance to 1 John 2:1, 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:6-7, 1 John 2:4, and Proverbs 28:13).
While there are many differences between us, some noticable difference between us (that you should consider) is that:
#1. I don't set out to attack or judge a person personally. I only judge sometimes when I have been judged wrongfully.
I set out to judge primarily the wrong behavior or belief (i.e. the sin and not the sinner).
#2. I do not essentially say I will be a slave to sin whereby Christ will not be able to conquer sin in my life. I believe those Scriptures that a believer can stop sinning (Such as 1 Peter 4:1, Galatians 5:24, Romans 6:14, Ephesians 4:17-27, Psalm 119:11).
I hope this helps you to understand where I am coming from.
Please be well.
And may God bless you.