Grace alone or grace plus works?

[DJ2]

Grace means unmerited favor, so yes to your question.

So are you one of the two grace plus works voters?

 

[SovereignGrace]

So are you one of the two grace plus works voters?

Nope.........

 

[DJ2]

Come on your being silly take what we have all said except donkey guy . Most here have posted great stuff .
read it .
Blessings
Bill

The flow and form of the entire Bible has been one of God rewarding man for his obedience.

God's grace was upon Adam & Eve and removed upon their disobedience.

It was restored by the grace of God to those who are obedient to His call to grace. No obedience, no grace. Proclaiming that it is grace alone shows a lack of this understanding.

So yes it does sound silly, anyone pushing grace alone without obedience to said grace will sound silly.

 

[DJ2]

Nope.........

Your post says otherwise.

 

[preacher4truth]

Your post says otherwise.

I figured you voted twice, thus those 2 votes.

 

[preacher4truth]

The flow and form of the entire Bible has been one of God rewarding man for his obedience.

God's grace was upon Adam & Eve and removed upon their disobedience.

It was restored by the grace of God to those who are obedient to His call to grace. No obedience, no grace. Proclaiming that it is grace alone shows a lack of this understanding.

So yes it does sound silly, anyone pushing grace alone without obedience to said grace will sound silly.

Yes, it had to be you who voted twice. Your gospel is false, and you continue to show a profound misunderstanding of grace, Scripture, the Gospel.

 

[DJ2]

Yes, it had to be you who voted twice. Your gospel is false, and you continue to show a profound misunderstanding of grace, Scripture, the Gospel.

Well, that certainly put me in my place.

 

[Grandpa]

The flow and form of the entire Bible has been one of God rewarding man for his obedience.

God's grace was upon Adam & Eve and removed upon their disobedience.

It was restored by the grace of God to those who are obedient to His call to grace. No obedience, no grace. Proclaiming that it is grace alone shows a lack of this understanding.

So yes it does sound silly, anyone pushing grace alone without obedience to said grace will sound silly.

You're right.

Everything you said sounds silly.

 

[DJ2]

You're right.

Everything you said sounds silly.

Or you could rebut instead of sticking your tongue out at the screen.

 

[preacher4truth]

Well, that certainly put me in my place.

Highly doubtful, you reject the Gospel and all correction.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

This is such a mindgame.

"We are saved by faith alone, but faith that justifies is never alone".

Is the result the same? Yes. Works are necessary no matter how you put it.

But not to GOD.GOD looks at the heart but man needs to see your faith In action.
Show me your faith without your works and I will show you my faith by my works.

A man cannot show his faith to another without using his body because man looks at the outward appearances.

 

[DJ2]

Highly doubtful, you reject the Gospel and all correction.

It is your gospel that I reject as well as all who dance to the music of the trust alone regeneration theology.

 

[Bladerunner]

Ok I see a point here not conceding the debate or idea that we must have works . The thief did have one work though.He did proclaim Jesus to be his king .
Still there is much to discuss on the issue.
Blessings
Bill

Do NOT all true Christians NOT do that? Love them double negatives.lol

 

[DJ2]

But not to GOD.GOD looks at the heart but man needs to see your faith In action.
Show me your faith without your works and I will show you my faith by my works.

A man cannot show his faith to another without using his body because man looks at the outward appearances.

Without obedience a man has nothing to show. The verse is about showing your faith to others not God. God already knows your faith and your obedience to it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Rom 4: Now to him who WORKS, The WAGES are NOT COUNTED as GRACE but as DEBT

Rom 11:6, Now if it is of Grace it is no longer works, otherwise, Grace is no longer grace, and if it is of works, it is no longer grace, otherwise., Works are no longer works.

2 Tim 1: 9 [FONT=&quot]who has saved us and called [/FONT]us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is your gospel that I reject as well as all who dance to the music of the trust alone regeneration theology.

In other words, You do not TRUST Christ, You think God needs your help..

Good luck with that.

 

[Bladerunner]

The flow and form of the entire Bible has been one of God rewarding man for his obedience.

God's grace was upon Adam & Eve and removed upon their disobedience.

It was restored by the grace of God to those who are obedient to His call to grace. No obedience, no grace. Proclaiming that it is grace alone shows a lack of this understanding.

So yes it does sound silly, anyone pushing grace alone without obedience to said grace will sound silly.

What do you mean 'no obedience'.... To be a good Christian is not enough in your book?????It is sad you doubt the Holy Spirit within the True Christian.

I guess it would be up to what a person outside the Circle of true Christianity would define the word "obedience.

Ask yourself....would a True Christian not already know this.????? A soul searching question---for the poster!

 

[preacher4truth]

It is your gospel that I reject as well as all who dance to the music of the trust alone regeneration theology.

It's not my Gospel you reject, it's Christ's.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The flow and form of the entire Bible has been one of God rewarding man for his obedience.

God's grace was upon Adam & Eve and removed upon their disobedience.

It was restored by the grace of God to those who are obedient to His call to grace. No obedience, no grace. Proclaiming that it is grace alone shows a lack of this understanding.

So yes it does sound silly, anyone pushing grace alone without obedience to said grace will sound silly.

lol. Adam and Eve did not need grace, By the fact they were sinless. THEY EARNED GODS LOVE.

Grace was NOT NEEDED UNTIL AFTER THE FALL.

by this one post. You just totally destroyed yourself.. You need to go back and study man.

 

[Laish]

The flow and form of the entire Bible has been one of God rewarding man for his obedience.

God's grace was upon Adam & Eve and removed upon their disobedience.

It was restored by the grace of God to those who are obedient to His call to grace. No obedience, no grace. Proclaiming that it is grace alone shows a lack of this understanding.

So yes it does sound silly, anyone pushing grace alone without obedience to said grace will sound silly.

Grace is a unmerited favor . First why did Adam need grace before the fall ? Grace was given after the fall . In the form of not outright killing man for disobedience in the garden . Yes He expelled man from the garden yet he had mercy and showed Grace He clothed them . They did nothing to deserve that . Isreal did nothing in the desert to resemble obedience even Mose stumbled yet they were given the promise land. That’s grace again. You have the cart before the horse. It was God’s grace that we have been made alive and given saving faith . Without faith our works are worse than filthy rags. So it’s faith that comes first and we were given that faith through Grace .
Blessings
Bill