Happy Sabbath Everyone!

[BradC]

No doubt the wall is broken by the sacrifice of the Lamb, the Lord of Sabbath, the Word who spoke of the Sabbath through Moses.
However, the gentile believers do not support the root, but the root supports the gentile believers.
It wasn't Sabbath keepers but rather Pharisees and scribes, who looked to accuse the Messiah of offending the Sabbath very much like the questions asked of Sabbath keepers here.
No one Sabbath keeper is against good work such as what the Messiah has done so who are you speaking against?

Here is your problem and dilemma. If you stopped keeping the Sabbath it would be just as much a transgression as committing adultery or killing another. You would live in the same guilt as if you had broken these other commandments. That is a terrible way to live when you live under the law. We are not in bondage to the law because we are under grace. If we sin the Spirit convicts us and we confess our sin to God, He forgives us, the blood of Christ covers us and are set free from that sin. Do you really believe that the blood of Christ was shed for the transgression of breaking the Sabbath?

 

[Scuba]

Here is your problem and dilemma. If you stopped keeping the Sabbath it would be just as much a transgression as committing adultery or killing another. You would live in the same guilt as if you had broken these other commandments. That is a terrible way to live when you live under the law. We are not in bondage to the law because we are under grace. If we sin the Spirit convicts us and we confess our sin to God, He forgives us, the blood of Christ covers us and are set free from that sin. Do you really believe that the blood of Christ was shed for the transgression of breaking the Sabbath?

If you sin all you have to do is confess your sin to God and He forgives you? I thought you were not under the law? How can one even sin if he is not under the system that defines sin?

How can you say that expressing our love to God by honoring His ways is a dilemma and a terrible way to live?

Did you know that you have more of a chance of committing adultery under the new covenant than you do of violating the Sabbath. When was the last time you lusted in your heart? Is that a dilemma and a terrible way to live too?

 

[2Thewaters]

Here is your problem and dilemma. If you stopped keeping the Sabbath it would be just as much a transgression as committing adultery or killing another. You would live in the same guilt as if you had broken these other commandments. That is a terrible way to live when you live under the law. We are not in bondage to the law because we are under grace. If we sin the Spirit convicts us and we confess our sin to God, He forgives us, the blood of Christ covers us and are set free from that sin. Do you really believe that the blood of Christ was shed for the transgression of breaking the Sabbath?

This is false non biblical reasoning
no where in the Bible does God speak like this
you may be influenced by another spirit

the Bible says to go and sin no more

to keep the commandments

that is the true gospel

that is our duty

i noticed you had no bible verses so your not correct

you cant show me from the bible that silly reasoning at all

that is not truth that I find in my Bible

 

[2Thewaters]

that s like telling a bride

oh the honeymoon is terrible, you cant go out with anyone else and yo are stuck with one man

if you love God the Sabbath is a delight

if you love self and sin then you would hate it

you need to be born again of the spirit



do you call the Sabbath a delight and wait eagerly for it?

no?

looks like you wont ride upon the high places that is sad

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Isa 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:

 

[2Thewaters]

we must overcome all sins before Jesus comes back

overcome by the power of God within us
overcome selfishness
overcome lying and stealing

overcome selfishl living
and give ourselves to God 100%

 

[Karraster]

The Word of Almighty is comforting, what a loving Father, who gives freely to all who would accept. Possibly the most universal fear, the fear of death, our Messiah conquered, and who ever trusts in Him shall not fear.

[h=1]Psalm 23 King James Version (KJV)[/h] 23 The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.

 

[Karraster]

[h=1]

Psalm 100 King James Version (KJV)[/h] 100 Make a joyful noise unto the Lord, all ye lands.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Serve the Lord with gladness: come before his presence with singing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations.


What a blessing this day has been!

 

[Linda70]

we must overcome all sins before Jesus comes back

overcome by the power of God within us
overcome selfishness
overcome lying and stealing

overcome selfishl living
and give ourselves to God 100%

Sounds like "works salvation" with the end result of "sinless perfectionism" which is impossible this side of the grave. Why did Christ die and shed His blood on the Cross of Calvary if we are the ones having to do the "overcoming" of sin?

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Jesus Christ is the OVERCOMER...as we yield to the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

 

[Scuba]

Sounds like "works salvation" with the end result of "sinless perfectionism" which is impossible this side of the grave. Why did Christ die and shed His blood on the Cross of Calvary if we are the ones having to do the "overcoming" of sin?

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Jesus Christ is the OVERCOMER...as we yield to the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

You must have missed this verse by accident...

Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

 

[Linda70]

You must have missed this verse by accident...

Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

No, I didn't miss that verse. I was quoting the CONTEXT of the CONCLUSION of Paul's struggle with the flesh and the Spirit....verse 22 is not in that context.

I am beginning to see why you "modern day lawkeepers" are so confused. You pull verses out of context to "fit" your false teachings. In verses 7-23, Paul is simply stating that the Law cannot control sin in man.

 

[Scuba]

No, I didn't miss that verse. I was quoting the CONTEXT of the CONCLUSION of Paul's struggle with the flesh and the Spirit....verse 22 is not in that context.

I am beginning to see why you "modern day lawkeepers" are so confused. You pull verses out of context to "fit" your false teachings. In verses 7-23, Paul is simply stating that the Law cannot control sin in man.

Everyone knows the struggle with the flesh but there is a lighthouse that God has written in our heart and that lighthouse is His Law. Without the Law written on Paul's heart he would have no struggle. But he does have a struggle and he continues to obey the Law even though he struggles. He loves the Law and rejoices in the Law of God. The Law is good, holy and just. We are not confused, we are in love. In love with God and all He stands for, even in our struggle. If you have no struggle with sin then you are not saved for those who are not saved have no problem with the sin in their lives.

 

[Linda70]

Everyone knows the struggle with the flesh but there is a lighthouse that God has written in our heart and that lighthouse is His Law. Without the Law written on Paul's heart he would have no struggle. But he does have a struggle and he continues to obey the Law even though he struggles. He loves the Law and rejoices in the Law of God. The Law is good, holy and just. We are not confused, we are in love. In love with God and all He stands for, even in our struggle. If you have no struggle with sin then you are not saved for those who are not saved have no problem with the sin in their lives.

The two purposes of the Law were: 1. It was given to reveal sin and to show man that he is a guilty sinner before God (Romans 3:19-20; 7:12-13; 1 Timothy 1:9-10). 2. It was given to bring men to Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:24-25).

Yes, you are confused and you are incorrect. The "Law" is not the lighthouse written in the heart of the born again child of God. CHRIST IS THE LIGHTHOUSE!

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

We are saved by grace through faith in the FINISHED work of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary....and we continue to live by that same grace of God through the Holy Spirit of God Who indwells every born again child of God. Show me the verse where keeping the Law conforms us to the image of Christ.

Don't be judging the salvation of others by whether or not they are struggling with sin, keeping the law, etc.

 

[Scuba]

The two purposes of the Law were: 1. It was given to reveal sin and to show man that he is a guilty sinner before God (Romans 3:19-20; 7:12-13; 1 Timothy 1:9-10). 2. It was given to bring men to Jesus Christ (Galatians 3:24-25).

Yes, you are confused and you are incorrect. The "Law" is not the lighthouse written in the heart of the born again child of God. CHRIST IS THE LIGHTHOUSE!

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

We are saved by grace through faith in the FINISHED work of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary....and we continue to live by that same grace of God through the Holy Spirit of God Who indwells every born again child of God. Show me the verse where keeping the Law conforms us to the image of Christ.

Don't be judging the salvation of others by whether or not they are struggling with sin, keeping the law, etc.

Ooops! Another accident. The Law was suppose to bring life!

Romans 7:10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death.

Let me give you a homework assignment.

You have the Law, which was suppose to bring life, but instead, it brought death.

Was it the Law that caused the death or was it something else?

What if that something else is taken away by lets say, a cross? Would that now change our relationship with something that was to bring life?

 

[Linda70]

Ooops! Another accident. The Law was suppose to bring life!

Romans 7:10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death.

Let me give you a homework assignment.

You have the Law, which was suppose to bring life, but instead, it brought death.

Was it the Law that caused the death or was it something else?

What if that something else is taken away by lets say, a cross? Would that now change our relationship with something that was to bring life?

I am not interested in doing any "homework" assignment. I gave you the Scriptures which state the purpose of the Law...you, as an SDA, will always reject that. The goal of the SDA and other "modern day lawkeepers" is to be conformed to the Law, and not to Christ. I will not be put under that "yoke" which you are attempting to put on the neck on others. The SDA tried to do that to me almost 40 years ago. I reject the teachings of the SDA...Ellen G. White was NEVER a prophetess of God!

FOUR ADVENTIST ERRORS ABOUT LAW.

1. Law and grace are not opposing systems, but work together for man's salvation; law has a greater place in salvation than merely to lead men to Christ.

"The fact that all who are redeemed are saved by grace does not dispense with the law of God any more in the one dispensation than in the other. The law is not against grace, and grace is not against the law ... Grace is not something that exists apart from the law, but by reason of the law. It is, therefore, foolishness to talk of one age as the dispensation of the law, and the other as the dispensation of grace, as if each existed at a different period of time from the other. Law and grace have existed side by side from the time man first sinned, and will stand together until man's probation closes" (Charles T. Everson, Saved By Grace, pp. 11,17).

2. Salvation is attained by faith and grace working together to enable a man to build a character according to the law.

"Christ says to every man in this world what He said to the rich young ruler: `If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.' Matthew 18:17. In other words, the standard for admission into heaven is a character built according to the ten specifications, or commandments, of God's law. ... The Master Builder will stand right with you, and see to it personally that your life comes up to the requirements of God's law" (Saved By Grace, pp. 45-46).

"The question that decides destinies for eternity is, `Have you by the grace of Christ done the will of the Father-have you kept His word?'" (The Great Judgment Day, p. 114).

3. The law is the standard by which God shall judge believers.

"The Ten Commandments are heaven's balances of justice and righteousness, in which the great Judge will weigh the life of each person ... nine points of obedience in our lives will not meet the ten requirements in God's law. The law of Ten Commandments is the standard by which the characters and the lives of men will be tested in the judgment. It is important, therefore, that we obey it. In order to be prepared for the judgment, it is necessary that men be obedient to God's holy law" (The Great Judgment Day, p. 114).

"So in the great day of final atonement and investigative judgment the only cases considered are those of the professed people of God. ... The law of God is the standard by which the characters and the lives of men will be tested in the judgment. ... Those who in the judgment are `accounted worthy' will have a part in the resurrection of the just" (Ellen White, The Great Controversy, pp. 423-425).

4. The law is the believer's way of life. The law was given as a rule of life, as well as a revealer of sin.

"Instead of being free to ignore and break the law because he is saved by grace, he is now doubly obligated to keep it. . In other words, the one who forsakes, or gives up, sinning, or breaking God's law, to him will be given mercy, or grace. ... And if we make the effort to walk in the commandments of God, Christ will supply us with the power needed. ... In other words, if you fully surrender to Christ, He not only pardons your past transgression of the law, but comes into your life as you go forward with Him. ... It is very evident, then, that in the new covenant we do not see the law a thing of no consequence, but we find it occupying the center of the covenant" (Saved By Grace, pp. 23, 26-27, 30-31, 36).

"Upon these two `tables,' or tablets, of stone were Ten Commandments, divinely designed for man's well-being, to direct him in paths of righteousness and preserve him from evil" (Arthur S. Maxwell, Your Bible and You, p. 95).

"The Ten Commandments are the only perfect rule of conduct in this world today. God gave man the Decalogue as a rule of life" (The Great Judgment Day, pp. 113-114).

 

[KohenMatt]

I am not interested in doing any "homework" assignment. I gave you the Scriptures which state the purpose of the Law...you, as an SDA, will always reject that. The goal of the SDA and other "modern day lawkeepers" is to be conformed to the Law, and not to Christ. I will not be put under that "yoke" which you are attempting to put on the neck on others. The SDA tried to do that to me almost 40 years ago. I reject the teachings of the SDA...Ellen G. White was NEVER a prophetess of God!

Linda, give us some verses from the Law itself that show the purpose of the Law. Show us what God said when He gave the Law. Don't just keep quoting Paul, but look at the original source as well.

 

[Linda70]

Linda, give us some verses from the Law itself that show the purpose of the Law. Show us what God said when He gave the Law. Don't just keep quoting Paul, but look at the original source as well.

Do you live in the Old Testament or the New Testament? You keep reverting BACK to the Old....the OLD has passed away. The purpose of the Law has been fulfilled at the cross. I quote Paul because we are living in the dispensation of GRACE, not Law. Maybe you should do a study on the book of Hebrews.

Hebrews 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

 

[Flamingspirit]

I don't understand the purpose of these threads other than you having a provoking spirit. You claim you are not condemning Sunday church goers to hell, but EVERY Saturday you let them know you going to church??? EVERY Saturday "have a happy Sabbath"?


If you believe that Sunday church goers are saved, then again there is NO POINT IN POSTING THESE THREADS. I know you mean well, and I've been where you are, but whether you understand it or not, the Sabbath has nothing to do with Saturday. It is an age where you won't have to worry about paying your bills (they don't believe in your Sabbath either) and can finally rest from all these burdens and enjoy your family in Christ.

Whoever reads this and also have read the "Strong Delusion" thread, this ties into it to. It is the same with the gay man. One goes to church on Saturday and believes that the other who goes to church on Sunday is somehow inferior to him and will burn for it. If they will die for praising the Lord on Sunday, then for those who die praising the Lord on Saturday might as well have on Sunday as well to God, it MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. To be guilty of one point is to be guilty of all.

Therefore love fulfills. If you love the man who goes any day of the week, it won't matter what day of the week he goes! God is God everyday!

 

[BradC]

This is false non biblical reasoning
no where in the Bible does God speak like this
you may be influenced by another spirit

the Bible says to go and sin no more

to keep the commandments

that is the true gospel

that is our duty

i noticed you had no bible verses so your not correct

you cant show me from the bible that silly reasoning at all

that is not truth that I find in my Bible

The reason we are no longer under the law is because it is too holy for any man to keep who has an old sin nature still residing in the members of his body which we still do (Rom 7:23). If you offend any part of the law or even one point of it you have broken and offended the whole law. Here is the reasoning that you have asked for.

James 2:10,11
10 For whosoever keeps the Law [as a] whole but stumbles and offends in one [single instance] has become guilty of [breaking] all of it.
11 For He Who said, You shall not commit adultery, also said, You shall not kill. If you do not commit adultery but do kill, you have become guilty of transgressing the [whole] Law.

This passage certainly speaks of the law naming a couple of its commandments. Shall we not include the commandment of the Sabbath when speaking of the law? Shall we remove the keeping of the Sabbath from the law to use for our own purposes to please God or invoke some blessing from God? Has the scriptures removed the keeping of the Sabbath from the law or is it part of the whole? If you want to live by the law then you are subject to the whole of it and if you offend it in any point you will be judged by it, for that is the purpose of the law and there is no exceptions.

 

[BradC]

Linda, give us some verses from the Law itself that show the purpose of the Law. Show us what God said when He gave the Law. Don't just keep quoting Paul, but look at the original source as well.

We have to quote the NT for we are under the NT and not the old. Those who believe and have been placed in Christ are NT believers under grace and not the law (Rom 6:14,15). So our reference to the law will be according to the NT covenant that begins with the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of Christ. What came before according to the law has been made inoperative and we have been discharged from it. The law has no dominion over a NT believer unless that NT believer puts himself under it, then he must be subject to the whole law and in the keeping of it being judged by the law as a transgressor if he fails any part of it.

1 Tim 1:8-11
8 Now we recognize and know that the Law is good if anyone uses it lawfully [for the purpose for which it was designed],
9 Knowing and understanding this: that the Law is not enacted for the righteous (the upright and just, who are in right standing with God), but for the lawless and unruly, for the ungodly and sinful, for the irreverent and profane, for those who strike and beat and [even] murder fathers and strike and beat and [even] murder mothers, for manslayers,
10 [For] impure and immoral persons, those who abuse themselves with men, kidnapers, liars, perjurers—and whatever else is opposed to wholesome teaching and sound doctrine
11 As laid down by the glorious Gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

Now we have grace that teaches us what the law could not...

Titus 2:11,12
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

 

[KohenMatt]

I don't understand the purpose of these threads other than you having a provoking spirit. You claim you are not condemning Sunday church goers to hell, but EVERY Saturday you let them know you going to church??? EVERY Saturday "have a happy Sabbath"?


If you believe that Sunday church goers are saved, then again there is NO POINT IN POSTING THESE THREADS. I know you mean well, and I've been where you are, but whether you understand it or not, the Sabbath has nothing to do with Saturday. It is an age where you won't have to worry about paying your bills (they don't believe in your Sabbath either) and can finally rest from all these burdens and enjoy your family in Christ.

Whoever reads this and also have read the "Strong Delusion" thread, this ties into it to. It is the same with the gay man. One goes to church on Saturday and believes that the other who goes to church on Sunday is somehow inferior to him and will burn for it. If they will die for praising the Lord on Sunday, then for those who die praising the Lord on Saturday might as well have on Sunday as well to God, it MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. To be guilty of one point is to be guilty of all.

Therefore love fulfills. If you love the man who goes any day of the week, it won't matter what day of the week he goes! God is God everyday!

If you look back at the OP of this thread, and all of the other similar ones I've created over the last year, you will see that the point isn't to criticize those who go to church on Sunday. I've never said that or implied that, and I challenge you to show me where I have.

The point of this thread is to bless my brothers and sister who keep the Sabbath.