Harry is evil
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According to the logic of the Flat Earth Forums, this means I'm the winner.
To the serious response, to call it a warning is an understatement. As they aren't believers, when killed they will go to hell. It's not a warning, it's a threat. What's the point in threatening someone who couldn't effect you in any way, and sentancing them to eternal ****ation?
To the serious response, to call it a warning is an understatement. As they aren't believers, when killed they will go to hell. It's not a warning, it's a threat. What's the point in threatening someone who couldn't effect you in any way, and sentancing them to eternal ****ation?
I think a lot of people are sort of obfuscating the issue here--which is that "Witch" and "Witchcraft" can mean different things depending on the context.
Modern witches, or Wiccans believe in two deities, a god and a goddess, and believe in casting spells by invoking their powers, often by personifying them in classical pagan deities of myth. Obviously as Christians we don't believe these things, but Wiccans have the right to practice whatever they want as long as they don't hurt anyone. And not hurting anyone is a fundamental rule of their religion.
Witch and Witchcraft in the Harry Potter sense of the word is completely fictional. It doesn't exist, and is used as a mechanical device for the storytelling. This should be obvious to anyone who has actually read the novels or watched the movies. If you try and alter reality by pointing a stick and chanting a quasi-latin phrase, reality is going to laugh in your face and go "What'chu talkin'bout, foo?"
The term 'witch' as used in Exodus is translated from a Hebrew word that refered to people--usually women but sometimes men--who casted evil spells to harm others. The ancient Hebrews didn't have a conception of the occult as we do today--secret magic practicioners teaching each other a unified art. The 'occult' was clearly visible in every aspect of anciet life, and some of the methods of communicating with God used by the ancient Hebrews would probably seem occultic to us today.
The passage is Deuteronomy lists several forbidden divination techniques as well--though there are other divination techniques mentioned in the Bible that aren't forbidden; make of that what you will--and also forbids snake charming. It's my personal belief that these techniques were forbidden not because they're 'evil' but because they don't work. Only God can truly know the future, and trying to predict it with magic is dumb. As for charming snakes, it's dangerous because snakes tend to, well, bite.
So, in conclusion, Harry Potter is just a fantasy and people who think it teaches real evil need to do their research.
Modern witches, or Wiccans believe in two deities, a god and a goddess, and believe in casting spells by invoking their powers, often by personifying them in classical pagan deities of myth. Obviously as Christians we don't believe these things, but Wiccans have the right to practice whatever they want as long as they don't hurt anyone. And not hurting anyone is a fundamental rule of their religion.
Witch and Witchcraft in the Harry Potter sense of the word is completely fictional. It doesn't exist, and is used as a mechanical device for the storytelling. This should be obvious to anyone who has actually read the novels or watched the movies. If you try and alter reality by pointing a stick and chanting a quasi-latin phrase, reality is going to laugh in your face and go "What'chu talkin'bout, foo?"
The term 'witch' as used in Exodus is translated from a Hebrew word that refered to people--usually women but sometimes men--who casted evil spells to harm others. The ancient Hebrews didn't have a conception of the occult as we do today--secret magic practicioners teaching each other a unified art. The 'occult' was clearly visible in every aspect of anciet life, and some of the methods of communicating with God used by the ancient Hebrews would probably seem occultic to us today.
The passage is Deuteronomy lists several forbidden divination techniques as well--though there are other divination techniques mentioned in the Bible that aren't forbidden; make of that what you will--and also forbids snake charming. It's my personal belief that these techniques were forbidden not because they're 'evil' but because they don't work. Only God can truly know the future, and trying to predict it with magic is dumb. As for charming snakes, it's dangerous because snakes tend to, well, bite.
So, in conclusion, Harry Potter is just a fantasy and people who think it teaches real evil need to do their research.
G
That may be what you think and how you feel, but I believe otherwise. God says that we are to have no other gods before him, but that doesn't mean we should avoid reading The Odyssey or other ancient legends simply because other gods are in the story. Witchcraft is wrong in the same way that other gods are wrong: if you believe in the other gods or practice witchcraft that's a problem, but there's nothing wrong with reading stories or watching movies that contain wizards or gods. Lord of the Rings has wizards, and maybe you believe those books are evil too, but I don't.
J
There are some things I disagree with you on. Yes, Harry Potter is a story of witchcraft, but that seems merely a tool to get readers fascinated with the novel. The truth is that there are several underlying themes to Harry Potter that reach deeper than the seemingly "Satanic" lifestyles of the characters. I haven't read the books but from the movies I've seen, Harry and his friends demonstrate the power of friendship and the triumph of good over evil. In the series, Harry learns to cope with disaster and hurt in a world controlled by evil forces, much like we, as Christians, strive to find hope in a world ruled by Satan. I look at Harry Potter as a relevent metaphor rather than a brainwashing fettish.
God bless
God bless
All fiction--or at least all good fiction--is a metaphor of some sort. That's what makes stories about aliens, wizards, soldiers, super-humans, etc relevant and relatable to us normal folk. The problem a lot of people who think Harry Potter (and Tolkien, CS Lewis, etc) are evil have is that they don't understand the purpose of fiction. They read everything dead literal instead of as fantastic stand-ins for real-life struggles.
Look up a woman named Berit Kjos and read her articles, and you'll see what I mean.
Look up a woman named Berit Kjos and read her articles, and you'll see what I mean.
M
I know I have arrived late to this discussion and this has probably already been said, but here goes.
Relax, it is ok to read books and fantasies. Certainly, it is not good to practice witchcraft, but it is just a story. If you feel that because you read something, then you must also do it, then do not watch any TV or read any books. It's alright to listen to rock and roll and enjoy yourself. Just because you are Christian doesn't mean you have to be against everything. I love horror movies, so what. I'm not Jason or the Friday the Thirteenth goon. I love Halloween. The worst thing I can think of is what you are telling me right now. Have all your Christian teachers taught you to be wary of everything and always looking for those who are guilty? I would be on that list. I have met people such as this and believe me they are no fun. Well, I say we are all in the same boat. All sinners and none of us can save ourselves. Just believe in Jesus. Use common sense. Just because I see something bad on TV does not mean I have to do it. Do whatever you feel is right for you as a Christian, but don't point the finger at everyone who does enjoy a little Harry Potter. It's just fantasy.
M777
Relax, it is ok to read books and fantasies. Certainly, it is not good to practice witchcraft, but it is just a story. If you feel that because you read something, then you must also do it, then do not watch any TV or read any books. It's alright to listen to rock and roll and enjoy yourself. Just because you are Christian doesn't mean you have to be against everything. I love horror movies, so what. I'm not Jason or the Friday the Thirteenth goon. I love Halloween. The worst thing I can think of is what you are telling me right now. Have all your Christian teachers taught you to be wary of everything and always looking for those who are guilty? I would be on that list. I have met people such as this and believe me they are no fun. Well, I say we are all in the same boat. All sinners and none of us can save ourselves. Just believe in Jesus. Use common sense. Just because I see something bad on TV does not mean I have to do it. Do whatever you feel is right for you as a Christian, but don't point the finger at everyone who does enjoy a little Harry Potter. It's just fantasy.
M777
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