Has Jesus Christ returned?
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There are two different ways to view the ends times, or the Return of the Lord Jesus Christ because the end times would relate to such a thing to see.
There is the way to look at it in the past.
There is the way to look as it was going to happen today, or tomorrow, or maybe not in my lifetime but in someones lifetime by golly it will happen. (So silly to even think on) But I love you either way, if you believe this.
But I am not going to debate it. In a few days, I'll come back with something, and if it doesn't happen in a short period of time, like I say now I hope it doesn't happen.
Jesus Christ returning already will shake (Hebrews 12) your faith around because it is mind boggling to say such a thing, because it can been like... well if everything in the bible is completed, what is left? Where is the Hope He would be coming back?
But because the way I see things really doesn't matter, or others for that matter because everyone is different, it is really the relationship you are having with God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and other people that really does truly matter walking around in this life.
Not hating anyone even the muslims (people) , for what they do, jehovah witness (people), mormons (people) hey I believe that if someone is seeking the Truth about God, God can make it happen for them in their life regardless of where they are at in their life. No doubt! God reaches, and never stops always long-suffering unto us.
I believe in Freedom.
I believe in Freedom in the Lord Jesus Christ, that if you believe, that is all you need, you dont need to worry about anything else. You are saved! How amazing to know that by the blood shed of Christ, was all you needed in your life. How amazing is that Jesus Christ can take the old hateful angry bitter, maybe falling into other things that kept you bound, and set you free, of all of those things that devour us up inside.
Free from condemnation of other people, Free to Love God, Free to Love Other people.
Freedom to walk in the spirit.
Because I love the truth in the Lord Jesus Christ, and I would love to be used in this life for a purpose He needs me for, and more than ever would I like to share with others about the things that have been taught to me, because they are nothing new, they have been seen in a way like that way before I ever got a hold of the information.
I'll be back eventually to reinstate this post but it will have a lot more to it than what I originally posted, if the Lord wants it to be so.
With love from a recovering addict, Matthew
God bless, you.
There is the way to look at it in the past.
There is the way to look as it was going to happen today, or tomorrow, or maybe not in my lifetime but in someones lifetime by golly it will happen. (So silly to even think on) But I love you either way, if you believe this.
But I am not going to debate it. In a few days, I'll come back with something, and if it doesn't happen in a short period of time, like I say now I hope it doesn't happen.
Jesus Christ returning already will shake (Hebrews 12) your faith around because it is mind boggling to say such a thing, because it can been like... well if everything in the bible is completed, what is left? Where is the Hope He would be coming back?
But because the way I see things really doesn't matter, or others for that matter because everyone is different, it is really the relationship you are having with God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and other people that really does truly matter walking around in this life.
Not hating anyone even the muslims (people) , for what they do, jehovah witness (people), mormons (people) hey I believe that if someone is seeking the Truth about God, God can make it happen for them in their life regardless of where they are at in their life. No doubt! God reaches, and never stops always long-suffering unto us.
I believe in Freedom.
I believe in Freedom in the Lord Jesus Christ, that if you believe, that is all you need, you dont need to worry about anything else. You are saved! How amazing to know that by the blood shed of Christ, was all you needed in your life. How amazing is that Jesus Christ can take the old hateful angry bitter, maybe falling into other things that kept you bound, and set you free, of all of those things that devour us up inside.
Free from condemnation of other people, Free to Love God, Free to Love Other people.
Freedom to walk in the spirit.
Because I love the truth in the Lord Jesus Christ, and I would love to be used in this life for a purpose He needs me for, and more than ever would I like to share with others about the things that have been taught to me, because they are nothing new, they have been seen in a way like that way before I ever got a hold of the information.
I'll be back eventually to reinstate this post but it will have a lot more to it than what I originally posted, if the Lord wants it to be so.
With love from a recovering addict, Matthew
God bless, you.
Amen, 1 THESSALONIANS;4; 16-17; For the LORD himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,and with the trump of GOD; and the dead in Christ shall rise first; 17; Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds,to meet the Lord in the air; so shall we ever be with the Lord.....................If you don't rise first with the others when he comes ., you are in BIG, BIG, trouble.
Yes:
Although the apostles was taught by Jesus Christ, the understanding of the such revelations was given later:
They wasn't wrong. When Jesus said that He would come quickly, He was taking as reference His time:
In short: Jesus didn't come yet.
- "We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." (1Peter 1.19-21).
Although the apostles was taught by Jesus Christ, the understanding of the such revelations was given later:
- "Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet? Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter." (John 13.6,7).
- "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." (John 16.12).
They wasn't wrong. When Jesus said that He would come quickly, He was taking as reference His time:
- "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2Peter 3.8,9).
In short: Jesus didn't come yet.
Well my wondering is,
Did jesus christ come for the nation of isreal or did he cone for the gentiles?
because i know for a fact Jesus Christ said He came to that nation.
So my windering is since you answer my questions is why did the aposltes in their day in age tell people that jesus christ was coming back then .
Because He lied and the apotless lied about His return how can i trust the bible if they was lying?
becauae if he lied us what is suppose to say its hard to change on phone thanks in advance.
Did jesus christ come for the nation of isreal or did he cone for the gentiles?
because i know for a fact Jesus Christ said He came to that nation.
So my windering is since you answer my questions is why did the aposltes in their day in age tell people that jesus christ was coming back then .
Because He lied and the apotless lied about His return how can i trust the bible if they was lying?
becauae if he lied us what is suppose to say its hard to change on phone thanks in advance.
Well, if the bible is the word of God, then it is no lie in it. Because God can not lie. Satan is the father of lie.
Take John, when he wrote his epistles and the revealation, the most of the disciples of the Lord and even Paul where already gone to the Lord. John was the last of the Apostles and he doubt not that that was revealed to him was truth. And to him was spoken that the tribulation, the Lords coming/ return would be in the future.
I believe that Hod revealed in the bible that what we should know, nothing more, nothing less. But our nature is not satisfied with this. We dident want to know only 10, 40 ore 70 percent. We want o know 110 percent.
We should be satisfied with that what he had revealed to us and trust them what is revealed. I suppose we have enough to do if we practise that what we understand. Then to create wrong views about that what we do not understand.
Take John, when he wrote his epistles and the revealation, the most of the disciples of the Lord and even Paul where already gone to the Lord. John was the last of the Apostles and he doubt not that that was revealed to him was truth. And to him was spoken that the tribulation, the Lords coming/ return would be in the future.
I believe that Hod revealed in the bible that what we should know, nothing more, nothing less. But our nature is not satisfied with this. We dident want to know only 10, 40 ore 70 percent. We want o know 110 percent.
We should be satisfied with that what he had revealed to us and trust them what is revealed. I suppose we have enough to do if we practise that what we understand. Then to create wrong views about that what we do not understand.
Here is a question for you: Did Jesus ever specify the date of his return? He gave them and us signs that would identify when he was going to return, which are listed in Matt.24 and in more detail in Revelation. The generation where those signs take place is the generation that Jesus was speaking of which will signal his return. Without those signs we have no fulfillment. It is grammatically incorrect to apply "this generation" to the one from which Jesus was speaking and that because the signs that he listed are what identifies the last generation and which have not yet taken place.
In addition, once Jesus returns to end the age, that will be the end of human government and the establishment of his millennial kingdom. And following the thousand years will be the eternal state with the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem. All of which we have not yet seen.
And the answer is, because there was no set date or time for Jesus return, as it has always been imminent. And since we have not had any fulfillment of those signs that must take place prior to his return, then the Lord could not have yet returned. Signs first, then His return. In opposition, you have Jesus already returning but with no signs. Expositors make the same error that you are doing with following scripture:
"But I tell you truthfully, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God.”
They interpret the scripture above and say "aha! This proves that Jesus came back in the time of that generation because he said that there were some standing there that would not die before they see the kingdom of God."
Yet, if they continued to read on, they would see that in referring to seeing the kingdom of God, that Jesus was speaking of them of them seeing him in his glorified state, as the rest of the context makes clear:
"About eight days after Jesus had said these things, He took Peter, John, and James, and went up on a mountain to pray. And as He was praying, the appearance of His face changed, and His clothes became radiantly white."
Peter, John and James, were those of whom Jesus was referring to when he said " there are some who were standing there who would not taste death." And the fulfillment of their seeing the kingdom of God, i.e. "the Son of man coming in his kingdom," was he was transfigured and they saw him in his glorified state.
In the same way that Isaiah and Joel prophesied that "the day of the Lord" was near, the disciples believed the same thing, for they also spoke of the day of the Lord as still being future and that because it hadn't happened yet and it still hasn't happened.
The gathering of the church and the day of the Lord, are in close proximity to each other in that, the gathering of the church takes place, which is then followed by the day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath.
"this generation" that Jesus referred to, will be the one where all of those signs take place. Without the signs we have no fulfillment. Regarding knowing when Jesus would establish his kingdom, I would remind you of what he said to his disciples who as him that very question:
"So when they came together, they asked Him, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” Jesus replied, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority."
Therefore, the disciples were not privy to the time when Christ would return, only that He would return. And regarding his return to the earth to end the age, we have a great number of signs, namely everything mentioned in Matt.24 and all of the events of Revelation, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and all that is written regarding the antichrist/beast and his kingdom and all of the plagues that the two witnesses will perform.
this is why I say that your claim that Jesus has already returned is completely unfounded, as we have yet to see any of these events take place.
In addition, once Jesus returns to end the age, that will be the end of human government and the establishment of his millennial kingdom. And following the thousand years will be the eternal state with the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem. All of which we have not yet seen.
And the answer is, because there was no set date or time for Jesus return, as it has always been imminent. And since we have not had any fulfillment of those signs that must take place prior to his return, then the Lord could not have yet returned. Signs first, then His return. In opposition, you have Jesus already returning but with no signs. Expositors make the same error that you are doing with following scripture:
"But I tell you truthfully, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God.”
They interpret the scripture above and say "aha! This proves that Jesus came back in the time of that generation because he said that there were some standing there that would not die before they see the kingdom of God."
Yet, if they continued to read on, they would see that in referring to seeing the kingdom of God, that Jesus was speaking of them of them seeing him in his glorified state, as the rest of the context makes clear:
"About eight days after Jesus had said these things, He took Peter, John, and James, and went up on a mountain to pray. And as He was praying, the appearance of His face changed, and His clothes became radiantly white."
Peter, John and James, were those of whom Jesus was referring to when he said " there are some who were standing there who would not taste death." And the fulfillment of their seeing the kingdom of God, i.e. "the Son of man coming in his kingdom," was he was transfigured and they saw him in his glorified state.
In the same way that Isaiah and Joel prophesied that "the day of the Lord" was near, the disciples believed the same thing, for they also spoke of the day of the Lord as still being future and that because it hadn't happened yet and it still hasn't happened.
The gathering of the church and the day of the Lord, are in close proximity to each other in that, the gathering of the church takes place, which is then followed by the day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath.
"this generation" that Jesus referred to, will be the one where all of those signs take place. Without the signs we have no fulfillment. Regarding knowing when Jesus would establish his kingdom, I would remind you of what he said to his disciples who as him that very question:
"So when they came together, they asked Him, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” Jesus replied, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority."
Therefore, the disciples were not privy to the time when Christ would return, only that He would return. And regarding his return to the earth to end the age, we have a great number of signs, namely everything mentioned in Matt.24 and all of the events of Revelation, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and all that is written regarding the antichrist/beast and his kingdom and all of the plagues that the two witnesses will perform.
this is why I say that your claim that Jesus has already returned is completely unfounded, as we have yet to see any of these events take place.
Therefore, the disciples were not privy to the time when Christ would return, only that He would return. And regarding his return to the earth to end the age, we have a great number of signs, namely everything mentioned in Matt.24 and all of the events of Revelation, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and all that is written regarding the antichrist/beast and his kingdom and all of the plagues that the two witnesses will perform.
That would be a lie, because Jesus Christ told them the times they would see, and know when the return was near.
This is exactly why I gave all the scripture in my first post, defining the things they spoke about to other believers that they wrote to.
Because they didn't write it to us, the Apostles wrote it for the believers in the their day, about when JEsus Christ would return,
because you see it backwards, and say well they told them He was coming but they didn't know...
Yes they did know, and they wrote all about it to other believers warning them about the Ruler that would rise up, and set the mark of the beast, and the plagues and things that would ensue, I'm just going off the scripture by itself, in my first post.
Noting about the nearness of the end of the Age that they lived in which was ruled over by Pharisees, and the one Ruler that would show up and Put to death to many christians at that time, and they were not to follow the Ruler, they were to Follow and Trust that Jesus Christ would return to gather His church, and save them from that time, and also destroy the Age they lived in which had the Jewish Temples, Sacrifics, and things of this nature.
Go back and look at all the scripture I gave.
I understand that Christ Returning already kills all hope for anyone who believes that He is still coming but there is value in having Jesus Christ with you in your life right now.
That would be a lie, because Jesus Christ told them the times they would see, and know when the return was near.
This is exactly why I gave all the scripture in my first post, defining the things they spoke about to other believers that they wrote to.
Because they didn't write it to us, the Apostles wrote it for the believers in the their day, about when JEsus Christ would return,
because you see it backwards, and say well they told them He was coming but they didn't know...
Yes they did know, and they wrote all about it to other believers warning them about the Ruler that would rise up, and set the mark of the beast, and the plagues and things that would ensue, I'm just going off the scripture by itself, in my first post.
Noting about the nearness of the end of the Age that they lived in which was ruled over by Pharisees, and the one Ruler that would show up and Put to death to many christians at that time, and they were not to follow the Ruler, they were to Follow and Trust that Jesus Christ would return to gather His church, and save them from that time, and also destroy the Age they lived in which had the Jewish Temples, Sacrifics, and things of this nature.
Go back and look at all the scripture I gave.
I understand that Christ Returning already kills all hope for anyone who believes that He is still coming but there is value in having Jesus Christ with you in your life right now.
The following is a detailed account of when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom:
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11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.
14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty. 16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh: King of kings and Lord of lords.
17Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of all men slave and free, small and great.”
19Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army. 20But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed signs on his behalf, by which he deceived those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse. And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
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* all of those resurrected and caught up return with the Lord to the earth to end the age
* The angel gathers all the birds of the air to eat the flesh of the kings, generals, their armies, etc.
* The beast and the false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire
* Following that in Rev.20:1-3 Satan is seized and is thrown into the Abyss during the thousand years
* Following that begins the thousand year reign of Christ
All of the events above take place as Christ is returning to the earth. Prior to that, God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place, which will decimate the majority of the population of the earth and dismantle all human government. None of these events have taken place.
You have no idea what you are talking about! Nor do you have enough study in end-time events to even comment on it. You have been deceived by the false teachings of preterism!
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11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.
14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty. 16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh: King of kings and Lord of lords.
17Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of all men slave and free, small and great.”
19Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies assembled to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army. 20But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed signs on his behalf, by which he deceived those who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. Both of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21And the rest were killed with the sword that proceeded from the mouth of the One seated on the horse. And all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
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* all of those resurrected and caught up return with the Lord to the earth to end the age
* The angel gathers all the birds of the air to eat the flesh of the kings, generals, their armies, etc.
* The beast and the false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire
* Following that in Rev.20:1-3 Satan is seized and is thrown into the Abyss during the thousand years
* Following that begins the thousand year reign of Christ
All of the events above take place as Christ is returning to the earth. Prior to that, God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place, which will decimate the majority of the population of the earth and dismantle all human government. None of these events have taken place.
You have no idea what you are talking about! Nor do you have enough study in end-time events to even comment on it. You have been deceived by the false teachings of preterism!
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All of the events above take place as Christ is returning to the earth. Leading up to that God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place. None of these events have taken place.
Well Ill say this... Ad 70... Everything was finished. The death of Jerusalem. There is no more great tribulations like Jesus Christ told them 'They would see', come (not you), but them, and the believers at the time.
If you could just talk to me normally I would be alright instead you just give me a list to go through... (forgive me I'm tired)
But as you wish God bless, don't listen to what I am saying because I am not old enough to be listened too anyway...
I gave the scripture, to let people see that they were talking to people back then yet you say oh heck no no way son, there aint no way, this could be possible.
It is alright though... I guess ill try to explain one day again.
Sometimes I feel as though telling people to be ready that Jesus Christ could return tomorrow, is just a far fetched idea anymore, it is not true... You're gonna go see God when you die, and you telling everyone that He coming back to some generation that is not even yours, makes you out to be a person who gave hope to others yet on their death bed, where was He, and Why would He still come after He done explained He would come and did already.
Well Ill say this... Ad 70... Everything was finished. The death of Jerusalem. There is no more great tribulations like Jesus Christ told them 'They would see', come (not you), but them, and the believers at the time.
If you could just talk to me normally I would be alright instead you just give me a list to go through... (forgive me I'm tired)
But as you wish God bless, don't listen to what I am saying because I am not old enough to be listened too anyway...
I gave the scripture, to let people see that they were talking to people back then yet you say oh heck no no way son, there aint no way, this could be possible.
It is alright though... I guess ill try to explain one day again.
Sometimes I feel as though telling people to be ready that Jesus Christ could return tomorrow, is just a far fetched idea anymore, it is not true... You're gonna go see God when you die, and you telling everyone that He coming back to some generation that is not even yours, makes you out to be a person who gave hope to others yet on their death bed, where was He, and Why would He still come after He done explained He would come and did already.
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As I said, none of those things have taken place, therefore you have no fulfillment. Are you able to comprehend what I am saying to you?
Your claiming that Jesus has returned but you fail at providing the proof of all of those events that must take place first.
The reason I gave you a list is to show you what scripture says must take place first, which you continue to ignore.
If you truly knew the word of God, you would be looking forward to what the apostles and every believer has been doing since then, which is waiting for the blessed hope, the appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. This is referring to the gathering of the church, which will be followed by all of those signs that I gave you. For God's wrath must come first before Jesus can return to the earth.
Jesus said "I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." Well, the church is still in process of being built. Once it is completed, then the Lord will gather all believers in fulfillment of John 14:1-3 and 1 Thes.4:13-18. After that will come the time of God's wrath leading up to Christ's return to the earth to end the age.
* You are here
* Gathering of the church
* The revealing of the antichrist
* God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments
* The Lord returns to the earth to end the age
* The beast and false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire
* Satan is thrown into the Abyss and restricted during Christ millennial kingdom
* Resurrection of the great tribulation saints
* Millennial period
* Satan thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false where thrown into
* Great white throne judgment
* New heaven, new earth, new Jerusalem
* Eternity .................................................................................>
That is a summary of the chronological order of events.
Your claiming that Jesus has returned but you fail at providing the proof of all of those events that must take place first.
The reason I gave you a list is to show you what scripture says must take place first, which you continue to ignore.
If you truly knew the word of God, you would be looking forward to what the apostles and every believer has been doing since then, which is waiting for the blessed hope, the appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. This is referring to the gathering of the church, which will be followed by all of those signs that I gave you. For God's wrath must come first before Jesus can return to the earth.
Jesus said "I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." Well, the church is still in process of being built. Once it is completed, then the Lord will gather all believers in fulfillment of John 14:1-3 and 1 Thes.4:13-18. After that will come the time of God's wrath leading up to Christ's return to the earth to end the age.
* You are here
* Gathering of the church
* The revealing of the antichrist
* God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments
* The Lord returns to the earth to end the age
* The beast and false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire
* Satan is thrown into the Abyss and restricted during Christ millennial kingdom
* Resurrection of the great tribulation saints
* Millennial period
* Satan thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false where thrown into
* Great white throne judgment
* New heaven, new earth, new Jerusalem
* Eternity .................................................................................>
That is a summary of the chronological order of events.
Just gave you Ad 70.
I'm gonna ask RoboOp to remove this thread, maybe He will listen It will give me enough time to gather information that I have already given plus a bit more possibly.
I dont have to prove anything, the scripture itself proves it. Like I explained to you about this my dear friend who ignores me too.
Revelation 13:18 Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is six hundred sixty-six.
This is talking of ONE MAN, One not 100 different men, just one Man.
The number that relates to this man, who is the Beast, is the Nero Ceasur Ruler at the time. (Persecution was at all time high) because the end was near.
There information that is out there if you are intrested in looking deeper, that even explains what Nero was like, he was even called a beast. He slaughtered a lot of Christians... back in the early ages of the AD, He was the one to come up and set the mark of the beast.
He had statues of Himself placed every where (Hey look at that) That is almost saying that He is God because He was every where in statue form, and greeks looked at statues that way, that the soul would reside in the statues that were made. Kind of just like an idol.
He had christians play in the arena for His own pleasure watching them be killed.
He loved it loved it, until one day He killed Himself. Marking the end of HIs reign, then later, Romans came in and destoried Jersulem, ending the Age that once was that in Jersulem, and then in 400 Ad the ruler switched to Christianity in the Roman area. How amazing.
I'm gonna ask RoboOp to remove this thread, maybe He will listen It will give me enough time to gather information that I have already given plus a bit more possibly.
I dont have to prove anything, the scripture itself proves it. Like I explained to you about this my dear friend who ignores me too.
Revelation 13:18 Here is a call for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and that number is six hundred sixty-six.
This is talking of ONE MAN, One not 100 different men, just one Man.
The number that relates to this man, who is the Beast, is the Nero Ceasur Ruler at the time. (Persecution was at all time high) because the end was near.
There information that is out there if you are intrested in looking deeper, that even explains what Nero was like, he was even called a beast. He slaughtered a lot of Christians... back in the early ages of the AD, He was the one to come up and set the mark of the beast.
He had statues of Himself placed every where (Hey look at that) That is almost saying that He is God because He was every where in statue form, and greeks looked at statues that way, that the soul would reside in the statues that were made. Kind of just like an idol.
He had christians play in the arena for His own pleasure watching them be killed.
He loved it loved it, until one day He killed Himself. Marking the end of HIs reign, then later, Romans came in and destoried Jersulem, ending the Age that once was that in Jersulem, and then in 400 Ad the ruler switched to Christianity in the Roman area. How amazing.
It is not an unfounded claim that Jesus is here IN SPIRIT ! has been from the day He asked His Father to send it...and HE is in all who have His Spirit !
He is already converting, correcting and changing those who will be in the first Resurrection...their heart has been circumcised and HE is doing His work in them.
What people are waiting for is his literal appearing which will not be a pleasant experience...at all !
NOW is the time to turn to Him before His anger is fully inflamed...and we can be corrected in love !
He is already converting, correcting and changing those who will be in the first Resurrection...their heart has been circumcised and HE is doing His work in them.
What people are waiting for is his literal appearing which will not be a pleasant experience...at all !
NOW is the time to turn to Him before His anger is fully inflamed...and we can be corrected in love !
Just for the sake of knowing, if you believe that Jesus has already returned, then what is there left to take place? What are you expecting to happen next?
Regarding the time of God's wrath, Jesus said, "if those days were not cut short, no one would be left alive." When has that situation ever existed on the earth? That would be, never.
I am telling you these things to let you know that what you are believing in is not the word of God. This is dangerous for you and those who believe as you do, because since you believe that everything has already taken place, what are you going to do when the antichrist shows up? When you believe him to be Christ?
I will give you the same sign as scripture does. When you see a political leader establish a seven year agreement with Israel allowing her to build her temple on the temple mount, then know that this person is the antichrist and that you have entered into the time of God's wrath.
Never receive anything under or on the skin of your hand that will allow you to make purchases, this is the mark of the beast.
When you begin to see these things taking place, they should be a sign to you that they had not previously taken place as you currently believe.
After the time of the seven year covenant you will begin to see the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments taking place in sequential order. After the seventh bowl has been poured out, then Jesus will return to the earth to end the age.
Regarding the time of God's wrath, Jesus said, "if those days were not cut short, no one would be left alive." When has that situation ever existed on the earth? That would be, never.
I am telling you these things to let you know that what you are believing in is not the word of God. This is dangerous for you and those who believe as you do, because since you believe that everything has already taken place, what are you going to do when the antichrist shows up? When you believe him to be Christ?
I will give you the same sign as scripture does. When you see a political leader establish a seven year agreement with Israel allowing her to build her temple on the temple mount, then know that this person is the antichrist and that you have entered into the time of God's wrath.
Never receive anything under or on the skin of your hand that will allow you to make purchases, this is the mark of the beast.
When you begin to see these things taking place, they should be a sign to you that they had not previously taken place as you currently believe.
After the time of the seven year covenant you will begin to see the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments taking place in sequential order. After the seventh bowl has been poured out, then Jesus will return to the earth to end the age.
You are correct, it is one man's mark, which the entire world will have to receive in order to buy or sell.
"And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.
Therefore, it is his mark and everyone will have to receive it on the hand or forehead in order to buy or sell. Read the scripture above that is exactly what it says.
If Nero was the antichrist and it was his mark, all I'd have to do is move somewhere else and I wouldn't be exposed to Nero and Rome's rules. The mark that is coming will affect every person on the planet. Since everything will be purchased electronically and the mark will eventually be the only way to credit and debit your bank account, then whoever refuses it will not be able to buy or sell.
The antichrist has not even shown up yet, but must do so prior to Christ's return. All of these events have to do with the end of the age, which is still in operation. If Jesus had already returned, this age would already be over with. You're just misapplying these events to Rome and Nero of what is yet to come.
Remember when God through Moses turned the Nile river into blood? Well, the 2nd and 3rd bowl judgments will turn all fresh water and all of the ocean water into literal blood, so that every creature in the oceans die. When has that happened? The only way that you can find fulfillment is to allegorize or symbolize these events. Those events must also take place prior to Jesus returning to the earth.
If you believe that Jesus has already returned, then what is there left to take place?
People to learn about the Lord Jesus Christ, and the purpose which He came and did everything, that God loves them, and JEsus Christ does too. If they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and His shed blood, they are saved. To read the bible, and gain knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, and that the holy spirit will guide them through life. I believe the Word Of God is a blessing, and the Words our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ can change us inside, our heart.
What are you expecting to happen next?
The world to keep going on forever, and that many people will come to knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, have faith and love God and Love other people.
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
His government and its peace will never end. He will rule with fairness and justice from the throne of his ancestor David for all eternity. The passionate commitment of the LORD of Heaven's Armies will make this happen!
This is talking about a government. The Government is a spiritual government, that resides in the hearts of the believers, that creates a peace inside of us by the holy spirit because we believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and it is never ending so there is no end to those who will come to knowledge of the Truth of Jesus Christ here in this life.
Regarding the time of God's wrath, Jesus said, "if those days were not cut short, no one would be left alive." When has that situation ever existed on the earth?
Yes it did, the Apostles suffered, Great tribulations, and if they were not cut short, and the Lord JEsus Christ did not return, everyone would have died... Imagine living when Nero was living, and being under His rule... what a terrible outcome they also surely suffered.
Because since you believe that everything has already taken place, what are you going to do when the antichrist shows up?
It is over. I am not worried about this, there is no reason to because Jesus Christ has already came and placed his Victory over Satan/Anti-Christ/Beast/Demons/False prophet/Death... He has victory over every single one of these things. All of these things are beneath JEsus Christ feet.
Satan ... I'm so glad God has tooken care of Him already... (never tempted by satan anyway, always been tempted by my own thoughts) We can really be our worst enemy.
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I will give you the same sign as scripture does. When you see a political leader establish a seven year agreement with Israel allowing her to build her temple on the temple mount, then know that this person is the antichrist and that you have entered into the time of God's wrath.
Never receive anything under or on the skin of your hand that will allow you to make purchases, this is the mark of the beast.
*Noted but I believe all of this is over with, because back in Neros day they were given a slip like thing that pledge alliegance to Him, and if you did not have this slip you could not buy/sell/or trade. In this age back then in the AD's. I place this there with them because it was something that they were going to see and take notice off because the Revelation was written to the 7 churchs in Asia minor to see things come to play about.
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After the time of the seven year covenant you will begin to see the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments taking place in sequential order. After the seventh bowl has been poured out, then Jesus will return to the earth to end the age.
You're talking about when the Angels in heaven held by the wind's for a moment, because there was needed to be a time of peace, so they were held back for a moment, and peace was made then for 7 years. (Then it gets into the 3 1/2 year rule of the beast right?)
For the gathering of other believers? The Tribes of Isreal? the 144,000?
We finally got some where, brother. Thank you God finally, some questions into what I'm thinking.
People to learn about the Lord Jesus Christ, and the purpose which He came and did everything, that God loves them, and JEsus Christ does too. If they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and His shed blood, they are saved. To read the bible, and gain knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, and that the holy spirit will guide them through life. I believe the Word Of God is a blessing, and the Words our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ can change us inside, our heart.
What are you expecting to happen next?
The world to keep going on forever, and that many people will come to knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, have faith and love God and Love other people.
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
His government and its peace will never end. He will rule with fairness and justice from the throne of his ancestor David for all eternity. The passionate commitment of the LORD of Heaven's Armies will make this happen!
This is talking about a government. The Government is a spiritual government, that resides in the hearts of the believers, that creates a peace inside of us by the holy spirit because we believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and it is never ending so there is no end to those who will come to knowledge of the Truth of Jesus Christ here in this life.
Regarding the time of God's wrath, Jesus said, "if those days were not cut short, no one would be left alive." When has that situation ever existed on the earth?
Yes it did, the Apostles suffered, Great tribulations, and if they were not cut short, and the Lord JEsus Christ did not return, everyone would have died... Imagine living when Nero was living, and being under His rule... what a terrible outcome they also surely suffered.
Because since you believe that everything has already taken place, what are you going to do when the antichrist shows up?
It is over. I am not worried about this, there is no reason to because Jesus Christ has already came and placed his Victory over Satan/Anti-Christ/Beast/Demons/False prophet/Death... He has victory over every single one of these things. All of these things are beneath JEsus Christ feet.
Satan ... I'm so glad God has tooken care of Him already... (never tempted by satan anyway, always been tempted by my own thoughts) We can really be our worst enemy.
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I will give you the same sign as scripture does. When you see a political leader establish a seven year agreement with Israel allowing her to build her temple on the temple mount, then know that this person is the antichrist and that you have entered into the time of God's wrath.
Never receive anything under or on the skin of your hand that will allow you to make purchases, this is the mark of the beast.
*Noted but I believe all of this is over with, because back in Neros day they were given a slip like thing that pledge alliegance to Him, and if you did not have this slip you could not buy/sell/or trade. In this age back then in the AD's. I place this there with them because it was something that they were going to see and take notice off because the Revelation was written to the 7 churchs in Asia minor to see things come to play about.
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After the time of the seven year covenant you will begin to see the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments taking place in sequential order. After the seventh bowl has been poured out, then Jesus will return to the earth to end the age.
You're talking about when the Angels in heaven held by the wind's for a moment, because there was needed to be a time of peace, so they were held back for a moment, and peace was made then for 7 years. (Then it gets into the 3 1/2 year rule of the beast right?)
For the gathering of other believers? The Tribes of Isreal? the 144,000?
We finally got some where, brother. Thank you God finally, some questions into what I'm thinking.
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