Have you believed the false grace message?
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New American Standard Bible
"I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.
Interesting we don't have a verse like this.....
And there was exceeding sorrow and all joy was lost in heaven when a child of God lost their eternal life and was sentenced to the LoF.
"I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.
Interesting we don't have a verse like this.....
And there was exceeding sorrow and all joy was lost in heaven when a child of God lost their eternal life and was sentenced to the LoF.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Faith is the evidence of things not seen,for we must believe in a kingdom that we cannot see,and a God that we cannot see,but to have the proper faith we have to have the right perspective of this kingdom and God.
If any person believes that God blesses with material things and money,and teach such,withdraw yourself from them,having food and clothing,be content,and those that covet such things have erred from the faith,for the prosperity Gospel neglects the poor and needy.
God hates sin,and wants us to abstain from it,and that is why Jesus came to shed His blood to wash away our sins,and we could receive the Holy Spirit,which a Spirit led life will not fulfill the desires of the flesh,will abstain from sin,so we can be right with God,and there is no excuse.
We are saved by grace through faith,so we must have faith before grace can apply,but we have to have the proper faith concerning this kingdom and God,for we not only have to believe that this kingdom and God does exist,but we have to have the proper perspective concerning this kingdom and God,believing and abiding by what they represent,which the faith is based on believing in a kingdom that is based on love,and helps each other out with their needs,and loves people,to not abide by that kingdom is to err from the faith.
God hates sin and wants us to abstain from it,which we can do by the Holy Spirit,so we have to have the right perspective concerning God that He hates sin,and wants us to abstain from sin by the Holy Spirit,and for the saints to represent goodness,unlike the world that is wicked,and to not have the right perspective concerning God and His ways is to err from the faith.
A person does not have to depart from Jesus to lose salvation,but if they do not have the proper faith,then grace cannot apply in their life.If they have the attitude that sin does not affect their relationship with God,and that they cannot abstain from sin,and they hold unto sin,then they do not have the proper faith,for grace to apply in their life.
If they spend money on their wants,instead of their needs,and the needs of others,they do not have the proper definition of faith,what it is about,and grace cannot apply in their life.We have to have faith,but have the right definition about faith to have grace in our life.
But I have observed people that believe in OSAS that have worldliness about them,neglecting the poor and needy,and having sin in their life they do not give up,one guy that they call million dollar Mike that goes to Church believing the prosperity Gospel,and saying he likes to give the ladies a hug,so they do not have the proper perspective concerning this kingdom and God,so they do not have the proper faith,so grace cannot apply in their life.
For we are saved by grace through faith,so faith comes first,but it must be the proper faith and not go against the kingdom or God's ways,for then they do not have the proper faith,and grace cannot apply.
Does the President choose people that would be against his ways,and agenda,does anybody choose anybody that is against their agenda,and ways,so if you are against the agenda of the kingdom,love people and help them with their needs,and are against the agenda of God,to abstain from sin by the Holy Spirit,how are you saved.
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Faith is the evidence of things not seen,for we must believe in a kingdom that we cannot see,and a God that we cannot see,but to have the proper faith we have to have the right perspective of this kingdom and God.
If any person believes that God blesses with material things and money,and teach such,withdraw yourself from them,having food and clothing,be content,and those that covet such things have erred from the faith,for the prosperity Gospel neglects the poor and needy.
God hates sin,and wants us to abstain from it,and that is why Jesus came to shed His blood to wash away our sins,and we could receive the Holy Spirit,which a Spirit led life will not fulfill the desires of the flesh,will abstain from sin,so we can be right with God,and there is no excuse.
We are saved by grace through faith,so we must have faith before grace can apply,but we have to have the proper faith concerning this kingdom and God,for we not only have to believe that this kingdom and God does exist,but we have to have the proper perspective concerning this kingdom and God,believing and abiding by what they represent,which the faith is based on believing in a kingdom that is based on love,and helps each other out with their needs,and loves people,to not abide by that kingdom is to err from the faith.
God hates sin and wants us to abstain from it,which we can do by the Holy Spirit,so we have to have the right perspective concerning God that He hates sin,and wants us to abstain from sin by the Holy Spirit,and for the saints to represent goodness,unlike the world that is wicked,and to not have the right perspective concerning God and His ways is to err from the faith.
A person does not have to depart from Jesus to lose salvation,but if they do not have the proper faith,then grace cannot apply in their life.If they have the attitude that sin does not affect their relationship with God,and that they cannot abstain from sin,and they hold unto sin,then they do not have the proper faith,for grace to apply in their life.
If they spend money on their wants,instead of their needs,and the needs of others,they do not have the proper definition of faith,what it is about,and grace cannot apply in their life.We have to have faith,but have the right definition about faith to have grace in our life.
But I have observed people that believe in OSAS that have worldliness about them,neglecting the poor and needy,and having sin in their life they do not give up,one guy that they call million dollar Mike that goes to Church believing the prosperity Gospel,and saying he likes to give the ladies a hug,so they do not have the proper perspective concerning this kingdom and God,so they do not have the proper faith,so grace cannot apply in their life.
For we are saved by grace through faith,so faith comes first,but it must be the proper faith and not go against the kingdom or God's ways,for then they do not have the proper faith,and grace cannot apply.
Does the President choose people that would be against his ways,and agenda,does anybody choose anybody that is against their agenda,and ways,so if you are against the agenda of the kingdom,love people and help them with their needs,and are against the agenda of God,to abstain from sin by the Holy Spirit,how are you saved.
Seems that man sure thinks we should pray with a specific motive other that Gods will. I still think that if any Christian truly believes that we can lose our salvation they should do as Jesus did and ask to take our place. What with the whole if one is to be great in heaven he must become less and less thing.
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Proper faith is ALWAYS one. And only one. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Acts 16:31;John 3:16.
Anything that deviates from this simple faith is not proper faith.
Grace and. Grace but. Faith and. Faith but. Grace however. Grace except........red flags and watch out. Be discerning, cause you are about to be duped.
Any thing outside of proper faith (faith alone in Christ alone)can't be nailed down. It will always be subjective and relative to one's life and experience rather than the life and experience of Christ.
Your explanation of "proper" faith is ambiguous and wide open. I can fill in the blanks with my own perception of doing enough. Then be condemned by someone else's perception of doing enough.
Anything that deviates from this simple faith is not proper faith.
Grace and. Grace but. Faith and. Faith but. Grace however. Grace except........red flags and watch out. Be discerning, cause you are about to be duped.
Any thing outside of proper faith (faith alone in Christ alone)can't be nailed down. It will always be subjective and relative to one's life and experience rather than the life and experience of Christ.
Your explanation of "proper" faith is ambiguous and wide open. I can fill in the blanks with my own perception of doing enough. Then be condemned by someone else's perception of doing enough.