"having escaped from the corruption"

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I believe that this is talking about how we are new creations in Christ. If we look at verse 8 it is this faith in the new creation we are that will let us spread the truth of Jesus message. Verses 3 and 4 seem to say we have been granted all things that pertain to life and Godliness. I believe this is much the same as paul's message that we have been set apart and made righteous and that we can find more and more proof of that the more we learn.
Also a good answer!

(I'm so excited seeing people giving effort in answering. This is cool!)
 
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Just make sure it's not a train, lynn...
;););)
I really amuse myself...
The ground's not rumbling, so if it's a train it's only an HO. Might bump my foot, but won't hurt. lol
 
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when i think of the upcoming election, which seems to be a choice between the lesser of two evils
(or, as Gore Vidal once said, the evil of two lessers... :rolleyes:)
this Chuck Colson quote keeps coming to mind-- from the early '90s--


"where is the hope?
i meet millions who tell me they feel demoralized by the decay around us.

where is the hope?
the hope that each of us has is not in who governs us or what laws are passed or what great things we do as a nation.

our hope is the power of God working in the hearts of people.
and that's where our hope is in this country and that's where our hope is in life."

that's all i got. :)

that's all any of us really has, and our hope in God is more than enough.


Well, you got me agreeing with Gore Vidal. I never thought that would happen. lol
 

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Hey Lynn, what your asking is a very legit question. Back then the Peter was speaking of having escaped corruption as in having changed from their old ways of living in sin not that they had escaped the corruption of this world which we honestly won't as long as we are alive here because sadly one of the main sides of the human heart is corruption.
As for voting we have terrible people running both Trump and Hillary have shown they are neither fit for running the country nor are they President material but sadly they are really the only two options we have.

In this matter I personally am not voting but if you do vote the best advice I can give you is to trust in God, although tbh I feel like Obama is going to pull the martial Law card to stay in power.
 

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I believe it refers to new creation. Paul says he was crucified to the world and the world to him. I believe this is the same idea. We are in the world, but not of the world.

Also please note we partake in the divine nature through the promises of God. This is key to partnering with His Spirit and not illegal desires.

All the promises in Christ are yes and we give the agreement.
 
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Hey Lynn, what your asking is a very legit question. Back then the Peter was speaking of having escaped corruption as in having changed from their old ways of living in sin not that they had escaped the corruption of this world which we honestly won't as long as we are alive here because sadly one of the main sides of the human heart is corruption.
As for voting we have terrible people running both Trump and Hillary have shown they are neither fit for running the country nor are they President material but sadly they are really the only two options we have.

In this matter I personally am not voting but if you do vote the best advice I can give you is to trust in God, although tbh I feel like Obama is going to pull the martial Law card to stay in power.
Don't want to derail but am too curious to not ask (for reasons of my own), what gives you this feeling - the martial law thing you just said?
 
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I'm hesitant on posting this on this forum because there isn't much honest talk about the Bible on this forum anymore, but I could use help on this question. And this is a question, not a political statement, not a monologue, not another "only I have the word of God speaking through me." I honestly don't get this. So, this is one of those times, when if all you're going to do is preach your personal gospel start your own post instead of wasting time on here. Okay?

I don't get the quote above -- "having escaped from the corruption" in 2 Peter.

Here's the context that baffles me:
2Pe 1:2 May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
2Pe 1:3 His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence,
2Pe 1:4 by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire.
2Pe 1:5 For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge,
2Pe 1:6 and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness,
2Pe 1:7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love.
2Pe 1:8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Sounds really good, doesn't it? But Peter was a man facing the side effects of Jesus dying, rising again, walking among his people, and then going home to the Father. The rulers were, at best, confused. They were working themselves up to slaughtering Christians. Judah didn't much like them either, since they disrupted the little peace they had with the Romans. It wasn't an idyllic setting, especially after witnessing exactly how corrupt the people in power were.

(See where I'm going here?)

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having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire."

"Having escaped." Future perfect tense, right? No, really. Is that right from a grammatical perspective? I'm not sure there, but it sure looks like it already happened, and they hadn't escaped.

In America, our choice for our next leader is either an incompetent chronic liar or a man so full of himself he thinks he is the only answer to all the ills in America. And we get the opportunity to do God's will here. That corruption is already upon us. It's been on us for a long time. How do I "partake of the divine nature" without adding to the corruption? How did I avoid the corruption?

This is not a question of who I should vote for. It's a question of understanding how God says I've already escaped the world's corruption. How had Peter and his audience?
2Pe 1:7 and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love.
2Pe 1:8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

It appears as if the escaping from the corruption of the world is escaping its sinful ways,by being led of the Spirit,for it says escaping from the corruption of the world,and is godliness,and being fruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

As far as choosing the president,I believe it does not matter,for I believe they put in place who they want anyway,and both Democrat,and Republican,are in the same plan anyway.

Why,because the world is heading towards the beast kingdom,which God is going to allow to happen,and since America is a big player in the world,they will head that way,for it cannot be thwarted,for God said He is going to gather all nations together to go against Israel.

America is not a Christian nation in a way,for she represents all religions,even Satanism,for that she will surely be gathered together will the rest of the nations.

I do not believe it matters what president we choose,for God's plan is to cause all Gentile nations to come together,their governments,so it cannot be thwarted,and cannot be slowed down,for God has a timeline for it to happen,and America will move at whatever pace they move,but they will make a move towards the gathering of the nations,which is what their country represents,all religions,and races,ethinic groups,under one roof,and on the back of the dollar bill,out of many,one.

America is to show the rest of the world that all religions,and ethnic groups,and beliefs,can all coexist with each other,despite their differences.

It has to be for the time is here,and the world will come together.
 

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The God of hope crushes Satan under His feet. The enemy tries to take hope because faith springs from hope. This idea things are going to get worse is a big reason why Christians ignore the responsibility to make disciples of nations. And to see His Kingdom manifest on Earth as in Heaven.
 
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It's those who are partaking in God's divine nature, 2 Pet 1: 4, who can escape the corruption through lust, And Peter said, "WE MIGHT BE partakers of God's divine nature.
He didn't say we will be, as the choice is up to us, [We can partake of God's divine nature], But we can also partake of our natural nature, And lust after things.
Greeky thing question to anyone who gets "Greeky Thing."

ESV has that phrase as "may become." God4's choice in Bible version says "might be." I'm really not picking on Bible version. I'm asking -- does anyone know, for sure, if that's a may or a might?

This might be me, but in my mind, the two words aren't synonyms.

May. "Mother, Mother, May I?" A concept that I want it, hope it, do the proper steps to get it, along with a good possibility that it will be granted.

Might. The desire is still there, but getting it is more like shaking a Magic Eight Ball. The answer is going to be vague, arbitrary, and left to fate, instead of me putting any effort into the outcome.

And I'm not sure I'm seeing those words accurately because I also think there's a difference between a creek (krik) and a creek (creek.) The first "krik" is a little bigger than a brook, but smaller than a stream. The difference between it and the second creek is, I can hop over a krik without getting my feet wet. The creek-creek might require swimming to cross. Sometimes I fine-tooth words where others don't,. so it really might be me. lol
 

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The God of hope crushes Satan under His feet. The enemy tries to take hope because faith springs from hope. This idea things are going to get worse is a big reason why Christians ignore the responsibility to make disciples of nations. And to see His Kingdom manifest on Earth as in Heaven.
This post goes to show you that even though I almost always agree with Cee, and others that preach like him, and Love his Joyful Spirit, that I will never fully agree with every belief that is put forth by those I greatly respect.

This sounds suspiciously like WE are going to bring about Christ's earthly Kingdom.
And the Bible is clear that things WILL get worse as His return gets closer.
It still means we are to love everyone and spread the Gospel, but I really don't like this doctrine introduced here.
 
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Here is a great post from Angela5310 about the use of the subjunctive ( " so that you may" kinds of wording in some scripture ) when we are having those "Greeky thing" moments.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...conditional-unconditional-14.html#post2632264




Here is what I found in my quick research in this subject too:


The subjunctive in Greek in some cases is used because a "dependent clause" has been made.

Here is an example =
"I went to the bank so that I may give you some money." - going to the bank was the "dependent clause"


Here is the resource for this:


"The subjunctive mood is used in both independent (main) and depended (subordinate) clauses"

More Detailed Use of the Greek Subjunctive Mood - Framed View
Maybe this will help as there are a few subjunctives in the scriptures and they seem to have different uses depending on the text.

 

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This post goes to show you that even though I almost always agree with Cee, and others that preach like him, and Love his Joyful Spirit, that I will never fully agree with every belief that is put forth by those I greatly respect.

This sounds suspiciously like WE are going to bring about Christ's earthly Kingdom.
And the Bible is clear that things WILL get worse as His return gets closer.
It still means we are to love everyone and spread the Gospel, but I really don't like this doctrine introduced here.
Amen bro!

There is no one I agree with 100% either.

I of course have tons of Scripture for why I believe what I do, but here is one:

Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

These are direct commands from Jesus.

I don't want to derail this thread, so if you want to talk further, start a post or feel free to message me about it. :)

Bless you bro!

C.
 
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Here is a great post from Angela5310 about the use of the subjunctive ( " so that you may" kinds of wording in some scripture ) when we are having those "Greeky thing" moments.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...conditional-unconditional-14.html#post2632264




Here is what I found in my quick research in this subject too:


The subjunctive in Greek in some cases is used because a "dependent clause" has been made.

Here is an example =
"I went to the bank so that I may give you some money." - going to the bank was the "dependent clause"


Here is the resource for this:


"The subjunctive mood is used in both independent (main) and depended (subordinate) clauses"

More Detailed Use of the Greek Subjunctive Mood - Framed View
Maybe this will help as there are a few subjunctives in the scriptures and they seem to have different uses depending on the text.

I understand about this much grammar --
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You just hit on this much grammar --
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I failed become an English teacher because try as I "might," I cannot get [...................]

It might as well be Greek. Worse yet? It IS!
 
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I understand about this much grammar --
[----------]

You just hit on this much grammar --
[----------...................................................]

I failed become an English teacher because try as I "might," I cannot get [...................]

It might as well be Greek. Worse yet? It IS!
LOL..my goodness you crack me up.

I'm sure when we are in heaven - you are going to have a comedy hour and we are all going to come hear you to enjoy and laugh at your humor. It's God given and a sign of the kingdom of God in you too. Joy ...is a by-product Paul said of the kingdom of God in us.

 
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This post goes to show you that even though I almost always agree with Cee, and others that preach like him, and Love his Joyful Spirit, that I will never fully agree with every belief that is put forth by those I greatly respect.

This sounds suspiciously like WE are going to bring about Christ's earthly Kingdom.
And the Bible is clear that things WILL get worse as His return gets closer.
It still means we are to love everyone and spread the Gospel, but I really don't like this doctrine introduced here.
Is this getting towards the pre-/post-/a- debate? (I don't get into it enough to understand it, and I'm not interested if it is. But not understanding it means I can be wrong completely on this being that.)
 
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The God of hope crushes Satan under His feet. The enemy tries to take hope because faith springs from hope. This idea things are going to get worse is a big reason why Christians ignore the responsibility to make disciples of nations. And to see His Kingdom manifest on Earth as in Heaven.
I would think the exact opposite would happen...that to know how bad it will get by what we're told, and to know that each day brings us closer to that (and to each mans time to die, even) would make us all the more focused on sharing the news of Gods marvelous grace toward us...
 

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I would think the exact opposite would happen...that to know how bad it will get by what we're told, and to know that each day brings us closer to that (and to each mans time to die, even) would make us all the more focused on sharing the news of Gods marvelous grace toward us...
Yes, I was thinking along the same lines, and as much as I agree with Penn about Cee, saying that faith is born of hope also gave me pause to ponder, probably because it was only when I absolutely got to the end of myself could I accept that surrender to God was probably the only sane option left. From surrender (born of acknowledging the ultimate hopelessness of self in rebellion to God) came faith and to that hope was added. Perhaps it is different for each person.
 
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11Peter 1:5-6-7.
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

it is written:
'Seek you first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness'....

it is written again:
11TIM. 2:4.
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life;
that He may please Him who hath chosen him to be a Soldier.

the situation is very simple - if I entangle myself with those who are not preaching 'righteousness',
and the 'coming Kingdom of Christ', I am entangling myself in the affairs of this 'world'.

to my knowledge, neither 'candidates' are speaking TRUTH, according to the WORD of GOD...

the choice is: arsenic or cyanide - 'king of the devils or the queen of wickedness'...

it is all about us being entrapped by 'the wiles of satan'...

but, it is your choice, if you marry an adulterer then you become 'one' with them...
 
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