Headcoverings: Biblical or Not?

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Nov 12, 2015
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Second time tonight you have made my stomach hurt from laughing max.
 

maxwel

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#43
Seriously though...

My humorous comment was to poke fun at the "debate" about hats,
not to poke fun at any individual Christians.

If someone sincerely believes they should pray with their head covered,
we should be respectful of their sincerity and their love for God.
I was making a joke about this debate topic,
not suggesting we ridicule people.
 
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Seriously though...

My humorous comment was to poke fun at the "debate" about hats,
not to poke fun at any individual Christians.

If someone sincerely believes they should pray with their head covered,
we should be respectful of their sincerity and their love for God.
I was making a joke about this debate topic,
not suggesting we ridicule people.
Yes I agree. Its only when they try to put others under the law of Paul or try to dictate to others how they must live out their faith that I bristle.
 

PS

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Seriously though...

My humorous comment was to poke fun at the "debate" about hats,
not to poke fun at any individual Christians.

If someone sincerely believes they should pray with their head covered,
we should be respectful of their sincerity and their love for God.
I was making a joke about this debate topic,
not suggesting we ridicule people.
The apostle Paul took it seriously and so did the early church.
 

posthuman

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The apostle Paul took it seriously and so did the early church.

the early church took how famous the person who baptized them was, and Paul seemingly only took that seriously in order to reprimand them by reminding them that neither he nor the church had any such custom of 'keeping score'
 

JaumeJ

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To your title.....

It all depends. Do all people in your neck of the woods see a woman with her head acually exposes a and brand her a loose woman? A loose woman is a whore, a prostitute, or simply immoral.

If so, for her own protection she should wear a chador.
 

PS

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#48
the early church took how famous the person who baptized them was, and Paul seemingly only took that seriously in order to reprimand them by reminding them that neither he nor the church had any such custom of 'keeping score'
The apostle Paul was right to recognise both the greatness of God, and the need for humility by both himself and the worshipper before Almighty God.
 
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These needs to be repeated.

Amen

Paul was writing to the church at Corinith that was beset with many problems and was known as "sin city." The town was dominated by the temple of Aphrodite, the goddess of love which was built on the heights of the acropolis. There were thousands of temple prostitutes and the city was a by-word for excess and sexual licence. There was even a word for it: to 'Corinthianize.'

The heads of the temple prostitutes were shaved, so a full head of hair was a glory to the person who possessed it. Not only was it a glory to the lady herself, but it was a glory to her husband as well and would bring honour to him.

Another thing the rich women did was to show off their wealth by wearing their jewellery in their hair, and Paul was telling them to keep their heard covered in church so that the poor could not be distinguished from the rich. In this way thanks to the wearing of hats, or even a towel or shawl, all would be equal in the sight of God. The Bible tells us to be modest in all things and both Peter and Timothy address this in 1 Peter 3 and 1 Timothy 2 v8 see below:

“You should not use outward aids to make yourselves beautiful, such as the way you fix your hair, or the jewellery you put on, or the dresses you wear. Instead, your beauty should consist of your true inner self, the ageless beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of the greatest value in God's sight. For the devout women of the past who placed their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful by submitting themselves to their husbands.” (1 Peter)

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 1Ti 2:9 KJV

They both put their finger on it when they spoke about our actions and our "true inner self, the ageless beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit", because from scripture, Jesus said, "by their fruits ye shall know them."

What we do and say reflects what is in our heart while ornamentation is only outward show and the things of this world rot and rust away.

Briefly, Paul was addressing a problem in the church that existed in his day, and he would be horrified if he knew the controversy it causes today.
 

Magenta

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If anyone truly believes wearing a hat makes them right with God...

then I guess they should wear a hat.


Susanna was looking for a new tinfoil hat.

That one might look cute on her :)
 
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It was a new ceremonial law transcribed by God .and not a moral law used outside of a assembly.(no judging one another) I would think it had nothing to do with the attitudes’, morals or fashion of the day .

Because the time of reformation had come God set up new orders of corporate worship. (no bleating sheep or v 70 foot veil

A new way of veiling his glory till the wedding supper and consummation takes place in heaven . Its what the bread and blood of grapes symbolize in the a parable.
The dividing wall fell Jew and gentile became one people as Christian nation made up of all the nations in the world . 1 Corinthians is setting up a new form of ceremonial worship . In respect to the old government the veil is rent.
There were two ordinances that worked together the glory covering and the breaking of bread and cup anticipate our wedding supper in the new heavens and earth .It is used when families gather together some poor some rich The only glory to be represented in an assembly (not a moral law outside of the assembly) The veiled or covered glory represented by a covering of the woman’s glory not seen . That veil will be lifted up as the wedding is consummated. I would think the bride of Christ would wear a sack cloth covering to show she hears and is humbled by the privileged to represent her husband in heaven that way . The same goes wilt the man no covering.

Like one poster mentioned some were not happy with their God given glory they added, Pearls and Jewels to their hair as a glory While the family sitting behind longed for a pinch of bread.
 

Dude653

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I'm not trying to be a troll here but I find it kind of strange how Paul wrote all these letters about how Christians are to conduct themselves but he never met Jesus.
I think Paul was just expressing his personal opinions and they should not be taken as Doctrine
 

JaumeJ

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I had intended to qualify this post, but Idid not. Head coverings depend on the society....there is nothing written from God on this subject because His wisdom spans what we call time. Paul did say "I do not permit etc."" not Jesus does not permit.

To your title.....

It all depends. Do all people in your neck of the woods see a woman with her head acually exposes a and brand her a loose woman? A loose woman is a whore, a prostitute, or simply immoral.

If so, for her own protection she should wear a chador.
 

Dude653

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I had intended to qualify this post, but Idid not. Head coverings depend on the society....there is nothing written from God on this subject because His wisdom spans what we call time. Paul did say "I do not permit etc."" not Jesus does not permit.
Right. Paul never met Jesus but somehow he's an authority on how Christians are supposed to conduct themselves? I don't get it
 
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The apostle Paul took it seriously and so did the early church.
Seriously?

So should YOU wear a hat to church?

It really doesn't matter which way you answer that. What "seriously" matters is if we're judging what we should do, not what everyone else should do because we think it.

Serious enough?
 

Nehemiah6

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...how Christians are to conduct themselves but he never met Jesus.
Paul met Jesus not only on the road to Damascus but many times thereafter. He was personally taught by Christ. You might want to read his epistles again very carefully and discover that for yourself. And since Peter confirmed that Paul's epistles are Scripture, you can be totally confident that over half the New Testament is as much Scripture as the rest of the Bible,
 
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PHart

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The absence of a head covering on a woman does not mean to us what it did then. For that reason it's become an obsolete command. Like the law of the oxen. Not very many of us have oxen treading out the grain to make the literal command to not muzzle the oxen while they tread out the grain applicable to us today.

When not wearing a head covering becomes a sign of a woman's rebellion against authority again, that's when the woman will be required to start wearing them again.
 

Nehemiah6

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When not wearing a head covering becomes a sign of a woman's rebellion against authority again, that's when the woman will be required to start wearing them again.
Well since the 20th century brought female rebellion against authority (along with Feminism which was a total rejection of everything taught in the Bible) all the more reason for Christian women under submission to God and Christ as well as their husbands (and even if single) to wear head coverings during worship.

Also since Paul was writing by Divine inspiration, this injunction is as valid and spiritual as his teaching on the submission of women and the role of women within the church and the home. When Paul's epistles address issues, they are of universal application and do not know limits of time or culture. He was taught directly by the Lord, and these are really the Lord's instructions. So discarding head coverings (or teaching others to do so) is really an act of rebellion.
 

JaumeJ

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Many people elect to "look holy." They will give loud lip service in public also, but if anyone wants truly to get back to basics, imitate Jesus Christ, learn directly from Him, and obey Him.

If yo do all the above you will also fulfill the law and the prophets to a large degree while God is finishing up the work he began in you, and in all who believe. It will be finished, that prfecting, but only by Him and only on His Great andGlorious Day.
 

Dude653

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Paul met Jesus not only on the road to Damascus but many times thereafter. He was personally taught by Christ. You might want to read his epistles again very carefully and discover that for yourself. And since Peter confirmed that Paul's epistles are Scripture, you can be totally confident that over half the New Testament is as much Scripture as the rest of the Bible,
Okay so we had a brief encounter with Jesus.
The deciples hung out with Jesus everyday so I would be more interested in what they have to say