healing according to Joseph prince, please do explain

[FlSnookman7]

Of cause what a person wears reflect their heart for God, If a person had the love of God in him, [A love for God], They would dress smart for Him.

The trouble with todays Christians, is, Their hearts have been hardened towards God and they have no respect for God.
I take you area scruffy dresser.
When you get full of the Holy Spirit, [If you ever will], You'll see how unrespectable it is for Minister to dress scruffy for God.
They have nor respect for God, their ministry or the people they minister to.
To many people have had their conscience severed from what is right, and they have been deceived by the modern day Christian.

You do realize Jesus wore a robe and sandals, right?

 

[God4me]

are there false grace teachers here?

if not, maybe you folks should stop playing heresy hunter

then again, show us those false grace teachers that you think are here

and then we can really have a discussion

Of cause there are false grace teachers on here.

 

[BenFTW]

If the followers of JP weren't Biblically ignorant, They would leave his Church and teachings, and go where the true Biblical grace is taught.

Haters gonna hate.

 

[God4me]

Cue John the baptist walking out of the woods with half a locust in his teeth as he smiles at you.

A piece of camel hide for a garment.

Then you point an accusing finger at him. "repent John,you slob"

John the Baptist was in a different culture in a different time, He couldn't go to a shop that sold suits, shirts or ties.
Wake up.

 

[FlSnookman7]

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[TD]Mat 6:28
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[TD]“So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin;
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Mat 6:29
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[TD]“and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
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[God4me]

You do realize Jesus wore a robe and sandals, right?

Jesus wore designer clothes, Why do you think they cast lots for them??. And we should be like Jesus.
We are Ambassadors for Jesus, and a Country would never send a scruffy ambassador out to represent them, And neither would God, We don't just represent Jesus, we should, [Re-present Him].

 

[followjesus]

If the followers of JP weren't Biblically ignorant, They would leave his Church and teachings, and go where the true Biblical grace is taught.

ignorant means you don't know, I guarantee jp knows the bible he has a lot of knowledge, he just selects what fits his doctrine that appeals to the world to teach and twists other things when scripture is clear he has to make it somehow mean something different, or not apply because of the greek or like james is only to jews or james 122 doesn't really say to do the word, "just keep looking at it and eventually youll do it". that's His exact sentence from a sermon I watched about a week ago about doers of the word. basically it was his message that its not saying do it jusy look at it and don't worry about obedience. jps face changes when he speaks about someone saying he needs to speak about obedience sometimes he makes like a mocking of them saying it you can tell hes offended by someone speaking about the importance of obeying because it opposes His empire

 

[followjesus]

John the Baptist was in a different culture in a different time, He couldn't go to a shop that sold suits, shirts or ties.
Wake up.

they had nice clothing in johns day lol. its cool to have a personal view of you dressing nice for service but I'm not sure about judging what someone elses dress reflects. if their dressing is intentionally offensive or something I see it but......judging by appearance is a bad road

 

[Miri]

Dressing smart for God, Shows a respect for Him. Those same scruffy dressers will dress smart when the go to a worldly meeting or meet someone important, But you watch them when it comes to Church, Their attitude is,
[Oh, It's only God].

What is more important, dressing up to the world's standards (one mans dressing up is another
mans dressing down, heck some people think wearing a brightly coloured thong and face paint is
dressing up).

Or being clothed in righteousness.

 

[Ericat24]

Why don't you write the ministry an email and ask them whatever your questions are. Then you can hear it from the "horse's mouth" yourself? It seems like the honorable thing to do if you have a question about a teaching from a minister.

That way the answer can not be "twisted" to make it appear it's something else as it will come directly from them. No chance for a false witness that way unless people change what is being said by them.

I wish you well...tell us what they have said to you.

Is it OK to be a good kind person and not believe

 

[followjesus]

You do realize Jesus wore a robe and sandals, right?

and they were of meak means, the apostles at times paul writes this very hour we are hungry and thirsty, we are poorly clothed, we are brutally treated, we are homeless

9For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like those condemned to die in the arena. We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe, to angels as well as to human beings. 10We are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, we are dishonored! 11To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are DRESSED IN RAGS, we are brutally treated, we are homeless. 12We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it; 13when we are slandered, we answer kindly. We have become the scum of the earth, the garbage of the world—right up to this moment.


judging by appearance is a bad road

 

[Ericat24]

I disagree

 

[followjesus]

Well, since the Op knows so little about communion & healing, perhaps with your great knowledge you wouldn't mind enlightening us with the scriptures that prove JP's teaching.

there aren't any

 

[Ericat24]

Those stories in the bible are brutal. Never would I teach or read these to my children. Gives me bad feelings. That's why I stay away from it and believe all I have to be is a kind person

 

[Ericat24]

And maybe that was the style back then

 

[Ericat24]

No we shouldn't. Our world would be a mess. Those bible stories are horrible. Drove me away from believing. To dark

 

[followjesus]

I plainly wrote how you can know. Do like I did, and read what he has written on the subject, instead of hoping to get the Cliff Notes in a forum post.

watching a 40 minute speech he himself gave isn't enough willie? if he cant explain it to me in 40 minutes ill go ahead and say its not found in the bible. the dudes selling books and hes hookin folks but hey you know free country, the gog is definitely a false doctrine you guys act as if I haven't listened to the guy? I made it a point to watch around 30 sermons 3 speaches concerning his books and read excerpts so I'm well informed and the whole "bearing false witness" thing is just a silly accusation oin my own book lol. I have plenty of knowledge of joseph prince to see through his false doctrine. if you guys don't like me or the things I say why wouldn't you just group up and say hey man lets not read this trouble makers posts??? that would lead to mutual peace I bet. better yet ill consider criticism of joseph smith...I mean prince........offensive to all of his followers here and will just focus on the gog doctrine.


I have done enough research to know what hes sellin......not buyin

 

[ladylynn]

I suggest you read your Bible:

1 Corinthians 11:25-32 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." [SUP]26 [/SUP]For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep. [SUP]31 [/SUP]But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. [SUP]32 [/SUP]But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.

1 Corinthians 11:25-32 (NLT)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In the same way, he took the cup of wine after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant between God and his people—an agreement confirmed with my blood. Do this to remember me as often as you drink it.” [SUP]26 [/SUP]For every time you eat this bread and drink this cup, you are announcing the Lord’s death until he comes again. [SUP]27 [/SUP]So anyone who eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord unworthily is guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. [SUP]28 [/SUP]That is why you should examine yourself before eating the bread and drinking the cup. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For if you eat the bread or drink the cup without honoring the body of Christ, you are eating and drinking God’s judgment upon yourself. [SUP]30 [/SUP]That is why many of you are weak and sick and some have even died. [SUP]31 [/SUP]But if we would examine ourselves, we would not be judged by God in this way. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Yet when we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned along with the world.

1 Corinthians 11:25-32 (YLT)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In like manner also the cup after the supping, saying, `This cup is the new covenant in my blood; this do ye, as often as ye may drink it --to the remembrance of me;' [SUP]26 [/SUP]for as often as ye may eat this bread, and this cup may drink, the death of the Lord ye do shew forth--till he may come; [SUP]27 [/SUP]so that whoever may eat this bread or may drink the cup of the Lord unworthily, guilty he shall be of the body and blood of the Lord: [SUP]28 [/SUP]and let a man be proving himself, and so of the bread let him eat, and of the cup let him drink; [SUP]29 [/SUP]for he who is eating and drinking unworthily, judgment to himself he doth eat and drink--not discerning the body of the Lord. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Because of this, among you many are weak and sickly, and sleep do many; [SUP]31 [/SUP]for if ourselves we were discerning, we would not be being judged, [SUP]32 [/SUP]and being judged by the Lord, we are chastened, that with the world we may not be condemned;

Receiving communion "unworthily" means taking it with unconfessed, unrepentant sin in your life. If you knew the scriptures, you'd know the Corinthians had a lot of that.

There have been many interpretations of just what qualifies as “unworthily.” A severe interpretation would suggest that any deed or thought in a person’s life that has not been confessed and repented of would make that individual unworthy. Since the Scripture says “whatsoever is not of faith is sin” (Romans 14:23), very few people would ever qualify as worthy to partake of communion. Plus, this would make our relationship with the Lord in communion dependent on our performance, and this is contrary to the very act of atonement that the Lord’s Supper reminds us of.

It is most likely that what makes people worthy or unworthy is whether or not they have been born again (see note 2 at John 3:3). This would also be totally consistent with the doctrine of grace that Paul constantly preached (see note 2 at Romans 3:22 and note 11 at Romans 4:8).

There were unbelievers among the true Christians, just as Jesus prophesied (see note 1 at Matthew 13:37), and this still exists today. It is a dangerous offense for an unbeliever to take the Lord’s Supper (see note 2 at Luke 22:19).
People who profess salvation through partaking of communion yet do not possess it, because true faith is not present, become guilty of the body and blood of the Lord (this verse). Those people will not be able to claim ignorance when they stand before God. The Lord’s Supper clearly preaches the Gospel.

Therefore, when taking communion, the people should examine themselves (see note 9 at 1 Corinthians 11:28) to see whether or not they are in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5). It is an individual evaluation that ministers are not authorized to make for others, but ministers should make Paul’s warnings here in 1 Corinthians 11 known to others when administering communion.
Note 8 at 1 Corinthians 11:27:

This warning about being “guilty of the body and blood of the Lord” has caused fear in the hearts of many believers. They fear that if they aren’t just right when they partake of communion, they may be damned (1 Corinthians 11:29). This is inconsistent with all of Paul’s other teachings about relationship with the Lord through grace (see notes 1 and 2 at Romans 5:1, note 15 at Romans 5:8, and note 16 at Romans 5:9).
We Christians do not partake of the Lord’s Supper unworthily, even if we have sin in our lives (see note 7 at this verse). If we truly worship the Lord through communion, we have to do that in spirit and in truth (John 4:24), and our born-again spirits are perfect (see note 3 at Matthew 26:41 and note 11 at Romans 4:8), regardless of how our flesh is (see note 3 at Romans 7:18). The apparent problems with this verse are removed when “unworthily” is interpreted as referring to those who are not born again (see note 2 at John 3:3).

Paul was saying that those who are not saved yet partake of communion are professing a lie (see note 5 at 1 Corinthians 11:26). As Jesus said, “If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth” (John 9:41). Judgment is easier on those who are ignorant (see note 5 at Luke 12:48), but those who take communion cannot claim ignorance. If they partake of the Lord’s Supper “unworthily” (i.e., not born again), those people become without excuse. They are guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.


Bible commentary

 

[followjesus]

don't turn too quickly by a wall

I fear your nose may have exceeded its normal length

gee I hope all you folk actually know the Bible half as good as you think others don't know it



what do you call God's grace then?

CONDITIONAL grace?

y'all ought to hear yourselves LOL!

grace isn't salvation nor is it God, nor is it the entire gospel, nor does it exclude obedience, nor does it guarantee salvation regardless of sin and righteousness. grace is good, the false teaching about Grace is not true. unwarranted favor is a verse or 3 obedience is in almost every book from genesis to revelation. grace is a great thing if its taught correctly its so much so good so real, but it doesn't excuse continuing in sin, nor does it remoive the responsibility for Christians to do what the one they claim they believe is says to go and do. as a requirement. those who hear his word and do it will be saved, those who know it and refuse to do it, will suffer His wrath. its Just the truth man. sorry you are all so offended by it.

matthew 13:40-43 "40“As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear."

matthew 13:47-51 "47“Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. 48When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. 49This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
51“Have you understood all these things?” Jesus asked.
“Yes,” they replied.

matthew 12:36-37"36But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. 37For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”

"matthew 16 :24-27" 24Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25For whoever wants to save their life[SUP]f[/SUP] will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. 26What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 27For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.




unwarranted favor, no responsibility? no coming judgement for us? no giving an account for our words and actions? just a 3 minute sample study. grace is mistaught in the world today by many, sorry it offends you guys when people point it out. a Christian should be diligently following Jesus commandments, there should be fear of God just as a child fears a fathers discipline, those who refuse the things Jesus says are on a dangerous thin ice situation. accepting Christ forgave us and set a higher responsibility upon us to live as we are supposed to live. and gave us the holy spirit who is more than enough to supply our ability. it boils down to whether a person wants to do the right things or would rather live life for themselves and trust in a unconditional misteaching of Grace.

 

[followjesus]

There have been many interpretations of just what qualifies as “unworthily.” A severe interpretation would suggest that any deed or thought in a person’s life that has not been confessed and repented of would make that individual unworthy. Since the Scripture says “whatsoever is not of faith is sin” (Romans 14:23), very few people would ever qualify as worthy to partake of communion. Plus, this would make our relationship with the Lord in communion dependent on our performance, and this is contrary to the very act of atonement that the Lord’s Supper reminds us of.

It is most likely that what makes people worthy or unworthy is whether or not they have been born again (see note 2 at John 3:3). This would also be totally consistent with the doctrine of grace that Paul constantly preached (see note 2 at Romans 3:22 and note 11 at Romans 4:8).

There were unbelievers among the true Christians, just as Jesus prophesied (see note 1 at Matthew 13:37), and this still exists today. It is a dangerous offense for an unbeliever to take the Lord’s Supper (see note 2 at Luke 22:19).
People who profess salvation through partaking of communion yet do not possess it, because true faith is not present, become guilty of the body and blood of the Lord (this verse). Those people will not be able to claim ignorance when they stand before God. The Lord’s Supper clearly preaches the Gospel.

Therefore, when taking communion, the people should examine themselves (see note 9 at 1 Corinthians 11:28) to see whether or not they are in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5). It is an individual evaluation that ministers are not authorized to make for others, but ministers should make Paul’s warnings here in 1 Corinthians 11 known to others when administering communion.
Note 8 at 1 Corinthians 11:27:

This warning about being “guilty of the body and blood of the Lord” has caused fear in the hearts of many believers. They fear that if they aren’t just right when they partake of communion, they may be damned (1 Corinthians 11:29). This is inconsistent with all of Paul’s other teachings about relationship with the Lord through grace (see notes 1 and 2 at Romans 5:1, note 15 at Romans 5:8, and note 16 at Romans 5:9).
We Christians do not partake of the Lord’s Supper unworthily, even if we have sin in our lives (see note 7 at this verse). If we truly worship the Lord through communion, we have to do that in spirit and in truth (John 4:24), and our born-again spirits are perfect (see note 3 at Matthew 26:41 and note 11 at Romans 4:8), regardless of how our flesh is (see note 3 at Romans 7:18). The apparent problems with this verse are removed when “unworthily” is interpreted as referring to those who are not born again (see note 2 at John 3:3).

Paul was saying that those who are not saved yet partake of communion are professing a lie (see note 5 at 1 Corinthians 11:26). As Jesus said, “If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth” (John 9:41). Judgment is easier on those who are ignorant (see note 5 at Luke 12:48), but those who take communion cannot claim ignorance. If they partake of the Lord’s Supper “unworthily” (i.e., not born again), those people become without excuse. They are guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.


Bible commentary

what does Jesus say of communion though to begin an explaination if it like that you know? where did communion begin for His followers and what did He say to them about why they were to do it? doesn't that kind of factor into the thinking. also paul did not only teach grace. he taught repentance and that those who do not repent will not uinherit the kingdom of God, He taught the importance of obeying the teachings of the gospel ect....


anyways Jesus says of communion "do this in rememberance of me" maybe factor that into the equation about communion. if a heart holds to the body broken and the blood shed if that is always present in thought, there is every reason to live a worthy life of His sacrifice. remeberance of the one who said " if you love me you will obey my commandments"


another thing about sin, sin is personal and anything that doesn't come from faith is sin or in other words " anyone who knows what is right and does not do it, sins." james 4:17 so if you tell your kid to clean their room, and they don't do it they have sinned. they knew what they were supposed to do, and didn't do it. that's sin. you gotta know whats right, and gotta choose not to do it. or in pauls reference the verse before the one you mentioned the one who doubts and eats is condemned, whatever is not of faith is sin. so if you believe somethings not right, don't do it. its sin. so either way if you know its wrong don't do it, if you know its right, do it. same as the law =don't do these things, and the kingdom =do these things.


sin is personal judged by the spirit within us in our hearts that's why now the heart must be clean