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FreeNChrist

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Neither am I....but it is still applicable and serves a purpose.
How is Law you are not under still applicable? That's like saying the speed limit on a side road is applicable on the highway. Law is only applicable when you are under it.
 

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"Nowhere in the Bible do we find Gentile believers being instructed to follow Levitical laws or Jewish customs; in fact, the opposite is taught".
Then Paul stood up, and spoke, preaching Christ to them.
“And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue,

[the Gentiles besought] that these words might be preached to them [the next sabbath].”

Now since Paul was preaching “the grace of God” , here was his opportunity
to straighten out these Gentiles, and explain that the Sabbath was done away.

Why should he wait a whole week, in order to preach to the Gentiles on the next Sabbath?

If the day had now been changed to Sunday, why did not Paul tell them they would not have
to wait a week, but the very next day, Sunday, was the proper day for this service?

But notice what Paul did.

“And [the next sabbath day] came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.”
Here Paul waited a whole week, passing up a Sunday,

in order to preach to the Gentiles on the Sabbath day.




-the oracles of God

1What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
2Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.


This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in
the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:



For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, [ye have need that one teach you again]
which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk,
and not of strong meat.

If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God]; if any man minister,
let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified
through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only,
but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
 
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KohenMatt

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How is Law you are not under still applicable? That's like saying the speed limit on a side road is applicable on the highway. Law is only applicable when you are under it.
What do you mean by "under it"? "Under it" for what purpose?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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True. But it is also applicable and serves a purpose for Christians today.
How? A christian came to Christ. If it was given to lead someone to Christ And a Christian came to Christ, It has fulfilled it's purpose
 
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FreeNChrist

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What do you mean by "under it"? "Under it" for what purpose?
To be under Law is be subject to it. Its purpose is to control you by threat of punishment for failure to comply.
 

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To be under Law is be subject to it. Its purpose is to control you by threat of punishment for failure to comply.
How's that when we have died to it?

Romans 7:4 (KJV) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Romans 6:14-15 (KJV)
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
 
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How's that when we have died to it?

Romans 7:4 (KJV) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
It's missing that "married to another" part that causes so many to still cling to what we have died to.
 

KohenMatt

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To be under Law is be subject to it. Its purpose is to control you by threat of punishment for failure to comply.
Correct.

Because of Jesus' sacrifice, I am under no threat of punishment due to any failure in keeping it. My salvation and standing before God is firm because of the grace and mercy of my Savior alone.

That being said, the Law provides practical instruction in how to live now that we are counted among God's people. It is not logical to say that disobedience to the Law was sin, but Jesus died to free us from that sin, so now we don't have to pay attention to the laws that determined what sin was. The entire Law is applicable to us today physically and/or spiritually. But again, it has no bearing to salvation and whether we are "under" it or not.
 
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I have been studying Galatians and I was reading an introductory on Galatians at www.aty.com/bible-introductions. It's interesting to note that Galatians was written to counter judaizing false teachers who were trying to undermine the central NT doctrine of justification by faith continuing to teach that Gentiles must first become Jewish proselytes and submit to all the Mosaic law before they could become Christians (1:7; 4:17,21; 5:2-12; 6:12,13). Paul defends justification by faith theologically (3,4) and its practicality (5,6).

This book is similar to Romans:

Inability of the law to justify - Gal. 2:16; Romans 3:20
The believer's deadness to the law - Gal. 2:19; Rom. 7:4
the believer's crucifixion with Christ - Gal. 2:20; Rom. 6:6
Abraham's justification by faith - Gal. 3:6; Rom. 4:3
believers are Abraham's spiritual children - Gal. 3:7; Rom. 4:10,11 and therefore blessed - Gal. 3:9; Rom. 4:23,24
that the law brings not salvation but God's wrath - Gal. 3:10; Rom. 4:15
the just shall live by faith - Gal. 3:11; Rom. 1:17
believers are spiritually baptized into Christ - Gal. 3:27; Rom. 6:3
believers adoption as God's children - Gal. 4:5-7; Rom. 8:14-17
love fulfills the law - Gal. 5:14; Rom. 13:8-10
the importance of walking by the Spirit - Gal. 5:16; Rom. 8:4
the warfare of the flesh against the Spirit - Gal. 5:17; Rom. 7:23,25
and the importance of believers bearing one anothers' burdens - Gal. 6:2; Rom. 15:1

Just thought it was pretty interesting and fit nicely here.
 

KohenMatt

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I have been studying Galatians and I was reading an introductory on Galatians at www.aty.com/bible-introductions. It's interesting to note that Galatians was written to counter judaizing false teachers who were trying to undermine the central NT doctrine of justification by faith continuing to teach that Gentiles must first become Jewish proselytes and submit to all the Mosaic law before they could become Christians (1:7; 4:17,21; 5:2-12; 6:12,13). Paul defends justification by faith theologically (3,4) and its practicality (5,6).

This book is similar to Romans:

Inability of the law to justify - Gal. 2:16; Romans 3:20
The believer's deadness to the law - Gal. 2:19; Rom. 7:4
the believer's crucifixion with Christ - Gal. 2:20; Rom. 6:6
Abraham's justification by faith - Gal. 3:6; Rom. 4:3
believers are Abraham's spiritual children - Gal. 3:7; Rom. 4:10,11 and therefore blessed - Gal. 3:9; Rom. 4:23,24
that the law brings not salvation but God's wrath - Gal. 3:10; Rom. 4:15
the just shall live by faith - Gal. 3:11; Rom. 1:17
believers are spiritually baptized into Christ - Gal. 3:27; Rom. 6:3
believers adoption as God's children - Gal. 4:5-7; Rom. 8:14-17
love fulfills the law - Gal. 5:14; Rom. 13:8-10
the importance of walking by the Spirit - Gal. 5:16; Rom. 8:4
the warfare of the flesh against the Spirit - Gal. 5:17; Rom. 7:23,25
and the importance of believers bearing one anothers' burdens - Gal. 6:2; Rom. 15:1

Just thought it was pretty interesting and fit nicely here.
Bingo!

Context is key. In Galatians, Paul is speaking against the use of the Law as means of justification. Not against the Law itself.

A car is created to be driven. But if some decide to use the car to fly, it won't work and obviously shouldn't be used in that way.

But that doesn't mean the car is bad.
 
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FreeNChrist

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Correct.

Because of Jesus' sacrifice, I am under no threat of punishment due to any failure in keeping it. My salvation and standing before God is firm because of the grace and mercy of my Savior alone.

That being said, the Law provides practical instruction in how to live now that we are counted among God's people. It is not logical to say that disobedience to the Law was sin, but Jesus died to free us from that sin, so now we don't have to pay attention to the laws that determined what sin was. The entire Law is applicable to us today physically and/or spiritually. But again, it has no bearing to salvation and whether we are "under" it or not.
China has a one child law, is that applicable to you? Iran has sharia law, is that applicable to you? What is the only way their law could be applicable to you??
 

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I have been studying Galatians and I was reading an introductory on Galatians at www.aty.com/bible-introductions. It's interesting to note that Galatians was written to counter judaizing false teachers who were trying to undermine the central NT doctrine of justification by faith continuing to teach that Gentiles must first become Jewish proselytes and submit to all the Mosaic law before they could become Christians (1:7; 4:17,21; 5:2-12; 6:12,13). Paul defends justification by faith theologically (3,4) and its practicality (5,6).

This book is similar to Romans:

Inability of the law to justify - Gal. 2:16; Romans 3:20
The believer's deadness to the law - Gal. 2:19; Rom. 7:4
the believer's crucifixion with Christ - Gal. 2:20; Rom. 6:6
Abraham's justification by faith - Gal. 3:6; Rom. 4:3
believers are Abraham's spiritual children - Gal. 3:7; Rom. 4:10,11 and therefore blessed - Gal. 3:9; Rom. 4:23,24
that the law brings not salvation but God's wrath - Gal. 3:10; Rom. 4:15
the just shall live by faith - Gal. 3:11; Rom. 1:17
believers are spiritually baptized into Christ - Gal. 3:27; Rom. 6:3
believers adoption as God's children - Gal. 4:5-7; Rom. 8:14-17
love fulfills the law - Gal. 5:14; Rom. 13:8-10
the importance of walking by the Spirit - Gal. 5:16; Rom. 8:4
the warfare of the flesh against the Spirit - Gal. 5:17; Rom. 7:23,25
and the importance of believers bearing one anothers' burdens - Gal. 6:2; Rom. 15:1

Just thought it was pretty interesting and fit nicely here.
Aty link doesn't seem to work :(
 
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FreeNChrist

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Bingo!

Context is key. In Galatians, Paul is speaking against the use of the Law as means of justification. Not against the Law itself.

A car is created to be driven. But if some decide to use the car to fly, it won't work and obviously shouldn't be used in that way.

But that doesn't mean the car is bad.
Please show us where Paul tells those of us who have been justified by Christ to return to living by the Law.
 

KohenMatt

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China has a one child law, is that applicable to you? Iran has sharia law, is that applicable to you? What is the only way their law could be applicable to you??
It's only applicable if I'm a citizen of those countries.
The Law is applicable to those who are citizen's of God's Kingdom.
 
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FreeNChrist

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It's only applicable if I'm a citizen of those countries.
The Law is applicable to those who are citizen's of God's Kingdom.
Half right, and the half you have wrong is shipwrecking your faith.
 
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It's only applicable if I'm a citizen of those countries.
The Law is applicable to those who are citizen's of God's Kingdom.
Not true. It was only applicable to the nations of Israel and Judah. Christ's law pertains to his kingdom.
 

KohenMatt

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Please show us where Paul tells those of us who have been justified by Christ to return to living by the Law.
I'll do you one better:

Matthew 5:17-19
"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."