Help a Catholic understand Protestantism better please

[cyberman]

I did read your post.

Some priests take almost 1 1/2 hours to do the Mass.
Most celebrate Mass in 45 to 60 minutes. One of my favorite priests does it in 45.

I only say this because I know what you mean about the reading of the prayers. They should not be rushed through.

However, If i had to choose between rushing through them a little and then get some catechism at the end of Mass

or

Saying them with reverence and then just dismissing the congregation --- I'd have to go with the catechism.

Some parishioners don't even know wha's going on at Mass. it's very beautiful to understand what is happening.

My main point is that if the priests at EWTN can do the homily AND get some teaching in there, WHY can't the CC do this at Sunday Mass?

I just think that something MUST change. Catholics need to kinow their faith more.

I certainly agree that Catholics need to learn their Faith more. There are a lot of Catholic Churches that do offer Scripture study.

 

[Jackson123]

Let me reapet why I do not believe catholic is christian

because catholic is demonic.

belive Mary and other saint able to come any time to give instraction.

insert demon as instructor in her teaching is very non christian

vatican promote one world government, it is antichrist government, the government that will kill and destroy Christian

Real Christian not kill Christian. It must repent or it not Christian

the ultimate goal of new world order is rebel again the Lord, promote nwo mean promote rebellion to the Lord, and it is not christian

it look like hearted, it is not. It is love, if you love one walk toward gorge, you have to love them and tell them

Is that stupid to walk toward gorge? No, it not. Just do not see, because no body tell them.

same body tell us, some body that we trust tell us before and we convince, and same body that they trust tell them otherwise

now our duty is convince them .

Example. About one world government. What the Bible tell us, and why vatican promote?

 

[cyberman]

A re-crucifixion of Christ? Puts Christ to open shame.

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

You take the mass too lightly and fail to comprehend its intent.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Hi notuptome.
Catholics do not believe that Christ is being re-crucified at every Mass. We believe that what happens at Mass and what happened on Calvary are one and the same.
Blessings.

 

[cyberman]

I do have a serious question, Fran. Why is it deemed necessary to READ prayers from a book?

i know that FranC has already commented on this but I would like to add something to it. The prayers that are read, at Mass, are the same prayers that are said throughout the world. The presider does have an option on the Eucharistic Prayers but they are still the same throughout the world. There are a couple of reasons for this.
1. This is done so that all of us(Catholics) can worship as one big family.
2. By having prayers that are set eliminates the possibility that the priest can put his "personal spin" to it. The Mass/Divine Liturgy is not about the priest or even the people. It is about Christ's Sacrifice to God the Father.
I hope that this helps.
Blessings.

 

[Willie-T]

i know that FranC has already commented on this but I would like to add something to it. The prayers that are read, at Mass, are the same prayers that are said throughout the world. The presider does have an option on the Eucharistic Prayers but they are still the same throughout the world. There are a couple of reasons for this.
1. This is done so that all of us(Catholics) can worship as one big family.
2. By having prayers that are set eliminates the possibility that the priest can put his "personal spin" to it. The Mass/Divine Liturgy is not about the priest or even the people. It is about Christ's Sacrifice to God the Father.
I hope that this helps.
Blessings.

Not really. I worked and traveled with a JW for 8 years. As a consequence I went to several of his JW meetings with him. (Not much to do on the road, week after week.) What you just described is exactly the same things they say about their imitational robotic techniques of inculcation.

 

[cyberman]

I'm yet to hear people chant the "Hail Mary" prayer repeatedly, along with other repetitious prayers and perform the same rituals over and over again every week, like I've seen in the Roman Catholic church.

But do not Protestants do the same rituals week after week as well? When the service begins you might sing a couple of songs then the preacher delivers his sermon then an offering might be taken up then a couple more songs then it is over. That is the ritual that you have.

 

[cyberman]

Not really. I worked and traveled with a JW for 8 years. As a consequence I went to several of his JW meetings with him. (Not much to do on the road, week after week.) What you just described is exactly the same things they say about their imitational robotic techniques of inculcation.

So it's not good to worship together as a family or acknowledging that the Mass is bigger than the priest or the congregants?
Blessings

 

[notuptome]

Hi notuptome.
Catholics do not believe that Christ is being re-crucified at every Mass. We believe that what happens at Mass and what happened on Calvary are one and the same.
Blessings.

Are you speaking for the catholic church or for yourself? It is evident that you are confused. They crucified Christ at Calvary and you said that is what they do in the mass.

The mass is a direct insult and shame to Christ. The work of Christ is finished and He is no longer on the cross.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Willie-T]

But do not Protestants do the same rituals week after week as well? When the service begins you might sing a couple of songs then the preacher delivers his sermon then an offering might be taken up then a couple more songs then it is over. That is the ritual that you have.

Alternating songs... 100's of them throughout the year. Different prayers by varying people. A bunch of different people preaching, saying different things, about different subjects. Even the order of each of these things is switched around often at our church. A month ago, we never even had a sermon that morning.

 

[cyberman]

Roger wrote,

Are you speaking for the catholic church or for yourself? It is evident that you are confused. They crucified Christ at Calvary and you said that is what they do in the mass.

I did not say that Christ is re-crucified at each Mass. I did say that the Mass and what happened on Calvary are one and the same.

The work of Christ is finished and He is no longer on the cross.

When did it finish?

Blessings.

 

[cyberman]

Alternating songs... 100's of them throughout the year. Different prayers by varying people. A bunch of different people preaching, saying different things, about different subjects. Even the order of each of these things is switched around often at our church. A month ago, we never even had a sermon that morning.

Is alternating things around typical of Protestant services?

 

[Willie-T]

So it's not good to worship together as a family or acknowledging that the Mass is bigger than the priest or the congregants?
Blessings

When you are required to parrot identical words out of a book so that you are emulating just what every other congregation is structured to do that particular day.... there is something terribly wrong with your relationships..... I'd say, both communally and with God.

 

[Willie-T]

Is alternating things around typical of Protestant services?

It is where I go.

 

[cyberman]

When you are required to parrot identical words out of a book so that you are emulating just what every other congregation is structured to do that particular day.... there is something terribly wrong with your relationships..... I'd say, both communally and with God.

But why would it be wrong to do that? Is structure wrong?

 

[Jackson123]

I've seen that in Southern Baptist churches
I've seen it in Presbyterian churches.
I've seen that in Lutheran churches.
I haven't been to every denomination but I'm sure others can add to this.

Hi Allen, I understand your frustration, I know no body perfect include me

church is a gathering of believer, so if no body perfect, than a church is a gathering of not perfect people, it make not perfect church.

I have a friend, I let him use my room to put his stuff. Then I lost my chain saw, and other tool

he steal it and put in my friend house, my friend call me and tell me that he remember same of the tool is belong to me

Than other friend tell me that he ask if he can put stuff in his house, my friend refuse, because it will be problem with police, he tell me that most of his stuff is stolen property.

I know no body perfect include me. And all my friend is not perfect.

but I am not helping him any more because he cross the line

He came to me a couple time, ask if he can put his stuff in my property, and I say no.

Than why I still be a friend to other, they aren't perfect too.

Because I am not perfect too.

But it is to danger, the police may come to you and accuse you as a thief.

that why I am not let him put his stuff in my property.

I think that is how we choose the church

I am no choose to go to the church is Satan knowing that God is Omni present.

There is a Chinese in my town. He was a Buddhist than covert to Christian. About ten years down the road, he have a problem, he so sad and go back to the temple to pray there.
His Christian family ask him why. He said, don't you know God is omnipresent?

 

[Jimbone]

Roger wrote,



I did not say that Christ is re-crucified at each Mass. I did say that the Mass and what happened on Calvary are one and the same.



When did it finish?

Blessings.

On the cross as described in John 19:30 when He says "It is finished". It's pretty clear and hard to miss man.

 

[cyberman]

On the cross as described in John 19:30 when He says "It is finished". It's pretty clear and hard to miss man.

What is finished though? I'm not trying to sound silly but it is important to determine what was finished.

 

[Jackson123]

Hi Allen, I understand your frustration, I know no body perfect include me

church is a gathering of believer, so if no body perfect, than a church is a gathering of not perfect people, it make not perfect church.

I have a friend, I let him use my room to put his stuff. Then I lost my chain saw, and other tool

he steal it and put in my friend house, my friend call me and tell me that he remember same of the tool is belong to me

Than other friend tell me that he ask if he can put stuff in his house, my friend refuse, because it will be problem with police, he tell me that most of his stuff is stolen property.

I know no body perfect include me. And all my friend is not perfect.

but I am not helping him any more because he cross the line

He came to me a couple time, ask if he can put his stuff in my property, and I say no.

Than why I still be a friend to other, they aren't perfect too.

Because I am not perfect too.

But it is to danger, the police may come to you and accuse you as a thief.

that why I am not let him put his stuff in my property.

I think that is how we choose the church

I am no choose to go to the church of Satan knowing that God is Omni present.

There is a Chinese in my town. He was a Buddhist than covert to Christian. About ten years down the road, he have a problem, he so sad and go back to the temple to pray there.
His Christian family ask him why. He said, don't you know God is omnipresent?

I make correction

I am not go to satanic church knowing that God is omnipresent.

God is omnipresent mean God is every where include in satanic church

But I am not go to Satan church though I know God present there.

 

[Jackson123]

What is finished though? I'm not trying to sound silly but it is important to determine what was finished.

finish His duty to sacrifice Himself for our sin

 

[wwjd_kilden]

But why would it be wrong to do that? Is structure wrong?

From an outsiders view it's like this:

Let's say you have a best friend named Pete and you name is Jack.
Every singly Saturday you meet:


Jack: Hi Pete.
Pete: Hi Jack.
Jack: Thank you for last Saturday.
Pete: Same to you.
Jack: I've just been working and exercising. You?
Pete: Lots of stuff.
Jack: Well OK, bye,
Pete: Bye

Exact same Words. Every time.

Sounds weird huh?