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What was finished was the only path we have to be reconciled to God. That was the whole point of everything and the only way God's infinite love, mercy, and justice could come together. I'm sorry but when my Lord says "it is finished" then yes it was really finished, Jesus wasn't a liar He is the way, the TRUTH, and the life. What to you isn't CLEAR about my answer?
Ahhhh I love Him, love Him, LOVE HIM! My Lord. My GOD. I eat Him and live because of Him.
Mass was so beautiful today.
"How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
"This teaching is too hard. Who can listen to it.."
[video=youtube;fXP2jK2R9uc]https://youtu.be/fXP2jK2R9uc[/video]
Mass was so beautiful today.
"How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
"This teaching is too hard. Who can listen to it.."
[video=youtube;fXP2jK2R9uc]https://youtu.be/fXP2jK2R9uc[/video]
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The hardest part will be finding a catholic doctrine that is biblically based. Let's make it easy. Show us how a catholic is taught to be saved and if he or she is able to have full assurance of that salvation.
Most of the catholic I have encountered have told me they are saved by being baptized into the catholic church as babies then they go through confirmation after which they are able to take communion where they receive grace through the sacrament. They then are able to receive additional grace through the sacraments of marriage and if they need it the sacrament of the last rites.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Most of the catholic I have encountered have told me they are saved by being baptized into the catholic church as babies then they go through confirmation after which they are able to take communion where they receive grace through the sacrament. They then are able to receive additional grace through the sacraments of marriage and if they need it the sacrament of the last rites.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Next time you meet up with them, tell them this and if they don't believe you, tell them to please confirm with their local friendly priest or any Catholic theologian.
1. You are NOT saved by being baptized into the CAtholic Church.
You do become a memeber of the C community.
You DO receive the Holy Spirit, BUT He is not "activated" until the person ACCEPTS the HOLY SPIRIT as an adult that understands what he is doing by this acceptance.
2. A peron does not begin taking communion after the first confirmation.
Communion can be received after the First Communion or The Holy Eucharist. At about the age of 9. Depens on each individual parish.
3. Confirmation: Batptism and Confirmation are initiation sacraments. They are to be able to join and adhere to a Christian andholy life. Many will say that Confirmation CONFIRMS baptism and makes the annointing of the person makes him strong in his faith and able to contribute in a more mature way to his faith.
Of course, THIS IS NOT TRUE for most kids. Both baptism and confirmation, in my opinion and that of SOME priests, is that this should be put off till later in life. Some priests, OTOH, believe it should be done because the Holy Spirit works anyway.
(take your pick. I go with 1 )
3. Catholics DO BELIEVE that the sacraments impart special grace to a person. This would require going into grace, and it's too much for this discussion.
4. Last rites, or extreme unction are no longer called that. It's the Sacrament of the Infirm because it is also given to ANY sick person, even someone that has to undergo an operation.
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1. You are NOT saved by being baptized into the CAtholic Church.
You do become a memeber of the C community.
You DO receive the Holy Spirit, BUT He is not "activated" until the person ACCEPTS the HOLY SPIRIT as an adult that understands what he is doing by this acceptance.
2. A peron does not begin taking communion after the first confirmation.
Communion can be received after the First Communion or The Holy Eucharist. At about the age of 9. Depens on each individual parish.
3. Confirmation: Batptism and Confirmation are initiation sacraments. They are to be able to join and adhere to a Christian andholy life. Many will say that Confirmation CONFIRMS baptism and makes the annointing of the person makes him strong in his faith and able to contribute in a more mature way to his faith.
Of course, THIS IS NOT TRUE for most kids. Both baptism and confirmation, in my opinion and that of SOME priests, is that this should be put off till later in life. Some priests, OTOH, believe it should be done because the Holy Spirit works anyway.
(take your pick. I go with 1 )
3. Catholics DO BELIEVE that the sacraments impart special grace to a person. This would require going into grace, and it's too much for this discussion.
4. Last rites, or extreme unction are no longer called that. It's the Sacrament of the Infirm because it is also given to ANY sick person, even someone that has to undergo an operation.
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Going through the confirmation process does not allow you to receive communion as a typical first communion for a young person is at least 2 years before that. Also, it is not required to receive confirmation in order to be married in the Catholic church or to receive the sacrament of last rites by a priest. This is the correct information, your understanding of this was incorrect.
The part about what a lot of Catholics believe about being baptized in order to be saved is correct but during each mass during the reciting of the Apostles Creed it is confirmed how you are really saved by confessing your sins to Jesus and that He died for your sins on the cross so that you may spend eternity with God.
Fran is an excellent source of information if you are really interesting in getting your facts straight about the Catholic church.
The part about what a lot of Catholics believe about being baptized in order to be saved is correct but during each mass during the reciting of the Apostles Creed it is confirmed how you are really saved by confessing your sins to Jesus and that He died for your sins on the cross so that you may spend eternity with God.
Fran is an excellent source of information if you are really interesting in getting your facts straight about the Catholic church.
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The above is posted to Maynard. A Catholic who loves Jesus and made this statemetn... and YOUR asnwer to him....
I'm shocked.
YOU HAVE JUST PROVEN HOW MUCH YOU HATE CATHOLICS.
A Catholic PERSON has just posted how much HE LOVES JESUS
and YOU answer with this?
If I may be so bold....
Of the two of you on judgement day,
whom do you believe Jesus will be upset with?
The one who proclaimed his love for Him...
Or the one who said this statement was "working iniquity"??
WHO HERE IS WORKING INIQUITY????
John 13:35
I'm shocked.
YOU HAVE JUST PROVEN HOW MUCH YOU HATE CATHOLICS.
A Catholic PERSON has just posted how much HE LOVES JESUS
and YOU answer with this?
If I may be so bold....
Of the two of you on judgement day,
whom do you believe Jesus will be upset with?
The one who proclaimed his love for Him...
Or the one who said this statement was "working iniquity"??
WHO HERE IS WORKING INIQUITY????
John 13:35
Still does not tell me what a catholic must do to become saved and if they are able to have full assurance of their salvation.
Does tell me that most catholics do not know the doctrine of their own church. They cannot explain them and they are left to work out what parts they will accept and what parts they deem inconvenient.
Catholics become catholic by their baptism as a baby. They are members of the church catholic by water baptism.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Does tell me that most catholics do not know the doctrine of their own church. They cannot explain them and they are left to work out what parts they will accept and what parts they deem inconvenient.
Catholics become catholic by their baptism as a baby. They are members of the church catholic by water baptism.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Oh. And UnderGrace gave you a LIKE.
Nice.
Have either of you EVER read the Beatitudes?
Maybe not.
Why should you.
You have no correct beliefs regarding the Christian faith.
You believe in OSAS. You're saved no matter what,
so why MAKE AN EFFORT?
Jesus said that a tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and burned.
ARE YOU PRODUCING GOOD FRUIT?
Did you encourage a Brother in Christ?
Matthew 7:19 New International Version (NIV)
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
And
1 Thessalonians 5:11
“So encourage each other and build each other up, just as you are already doing.” (NLT)
Hebrews 10:24-25
“Let us think of ways to motivate one another to acts of love and good works. And let us not neglect our meeting together, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near.” (NLT)
Ephesians 4:29
“Don’t use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them.” (NLT)
Ecclesiastes 4:9
“Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. If one person falls, the other can reach out and help. (NLT)
Romans 15:7
“Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.” (NIV)
Proverbs 27:9
“The heartfelt counsel of a friend is as sweet as perfume and incense.” (NLT)
1 Thessalonians 5:14
“And we urge you, brothers and sisters, warn those who are idle and disruptive, encourage the disheartened, help the weak, be patient with everyone.” (NIV)
Romans 14:19
“Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.” (KJV)
1 Corinthians 12:12
“For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.” (NASB)
Ephesians 4:31-32
“Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.” (KJV)
James 4:11
“Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.” (KJV)
Romans 15:5
“May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you a spirit of unity among yourselves as you follow Christ Jesus.” (NIV)
Psalm 19:14
“May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.” (NIV)
Hebrews 3:13 “But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness.” (NIV)
THAT SHOULD DO IT.
I do hope you read your bible every now and then.
It contains all of the above verses...
Nice.
Have either of you EVER read the Beatitudes?
Maybe not.
Why should you.
You have no correct beliefs regarding the Christian faith.
You believe in OSAS. You're saved no matter what,
so why MAKE AN EFFORT?
Jesus said that a tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and burned.
ARE YOU PRODUCING GOOD FRUIT?
Did you encourage a Brother in Christ?
Matthew 7:19 New International Version (NIV)
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
And
1 Thessalonians 5:11
“So encourage each other and build each other up, just as you are already doing.” (NLT)
Hebrews 10:24-25
“Let us think of ways to motivate one another to acts of love and good works. And let us not neglect our meeting together, as some people do, but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near.” (NLT)
Ephesians 4:29
“Don’t use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them.” (NLT)
Ecclesiastes 4:9
“Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. If one person falls, the other can reach out and help. (NLT)
Romans 15:7
“Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.” (NIV)
Proverbs 27:9
“The heartfelt counsel of a friend is as sweet as perfume and incense.” (NLT)
1 Thessalonians 5:14
“And we urge you, brothers and sisters, warn those who are idle and disruptive, encourage the disheartened, help the weak, be patient with everyone.” (NIV)
Romans 14:19
“Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.” (KJV)
1 Corinthians 12:12
“For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.” (NASB)
Ephesians 4:31-32
“Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.” (KJV)
James 4:11
“Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.” (KJV)
Romans 15:5
“May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you a spirit of unity among yourselves as you follow Christ Jesus.” (NIV)
Psalm 19:14
“May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.” (NIV)
Hebrews 3:13 “But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness.” (NIV)
THAT SHOULD DO IT.
I do hope you read your bible every now and then.
It contains all of the above verses...
Who indeed. Those who ascribe to the doctrine of transubstantiation are clearly not loving the Christ of the bible. Who promotes such doctrine? Figurative language is not to be taken literally in the communion. Jesus would never promote a believer to commit a transgression against the purity and holiness of God. We do not literally consume the actual blood and flesh of Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
That is not the gospel that the apostles taught nor the teaching of Jesus.
I am absolutely certain that I am saved. I have the word of God and the witness of the Holy Spirit to rely upon.
Everyone who is forgiven and has an inheritance in heaven does so through the shed blood of Christ and complete reliance upon the grace of God as promised in the word of God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I am absolutely certain that I am saved. I have the word of God and the witness of the Holy Spirit to rely upon.
Everyone who is forgiven and has an inheritance in heaven does so through the shed blood of Christ and complete reliance upon the grace of God as promised in the word of God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Eat his flesh and drink His blood?
So Jesus was telling us to practice cannibalism to be saved?
Does that really make any sense?
Does it taste like his body and blood?
Was Jesus actually bread?
Can you rightly divide scripture and see that Jesus is making an analogy between the spiritual and the flesh?[SUP]
63 [/SUP]It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63
Like the blind man said, I was once blind now I see, see for yourself rather than following blind guides
So Jesus was telling us to practice cannibalism to be saved?
Does that really make any sense?
Does it taste like his body and blood?
Was Jesus actually bread?
Can you rightly divide scripture and see that Jesus is making an analogy between the spiritual and the flesh?[SUP]
63 [/SUP]It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. John 6:63
Like the blind man said, I was once blind now I see, see for yourself rather than following blind guides
Ahhhh I love Him, love Him, LOVE HIM! My Lord. My GOD. I eat Him and live because of Him.
Mass was so beautiful today.
"How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
"This teaching is too hard. Who can listen to it.."
[video=youtube;fXP2jK2R9uc]https://youtu.be/fXP2jK2R9uc[/video]
Mass was so beautiful today.
"How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"
"This teaching is too hard. Who can listen to it.."
[video=youtube;fXP2jK2R9uc]https://youtu.be/fXP2jK2R9uc[/video]
You could keep telling yourself that but it doesn't let it BE TRUE.
To start, you don't know the gospel --- you just think you do.
You've made the gospel out to be what YOU and some Others here want it to be.
DID YOU EVEN READ THE VERSES I POSTED???
Apparently not because they've had no effect on you.
Strange, isn't the Holy Spirit leading your way?
Those were the words of God.
Do you DOUBT THEM???
So how can you be sure you have the Holy Spirit if you are not being GUIDED by the Holy Spirit with your refusal to act as Jesus commanded? He said to love everyone. Mathew 5:41 to 48.
Jesus said to be perfect. Are you perfect? Are you even trying? Not on this thread you're not....
So, I don't know...
Are you forgiven? Show me the proof. By the way you live.
Do you have an inheritance? What makes you GAIN THAT INHERITANCE?
WHAT has God promised you? What is it based on? Jesus' shed blood? Or WHERE YOU RESIDE AND DWELL?
I wouldn't be so confident if I were you.
I'd try to read the word with an open mind and see what I come up with.
Your soul depends on it.
OK AW.
NOW you could scold me..
To start, you don't know the gospel --- you just think you do.
You've made the gospel out to be what YOU and some Others here want it to be.
DID YOU EVEN READ THE VERSES I POSTED???
Apparently not because they've had no effect on you.
Strange, isn't the Holy Spirit leading your way?
Those were the words of God.
Do you DOUBT THEM???
So how can you be sure you have the Holy Spirit if you are not being GUIDED by the Holy Spirit with your refusal to act as Jesus commanded? He said to love everyone. Mathew 5:41 to 48.
Jesus said to be perfect. Are you perfect? Are you even trying? Not on this thread you're not....
So, I don't know...
Are you forgiven? Show me the proof. By the way you live.
Do you have an inheritance? What makes you GAIN THAT INHERITANCE?
WHAT has God promised you? What is it based on? Jesus' shed blood? Or WHERE YOU RESIDE AND DWELL?
I wouldn't be so confident if I were you.
I'd try to read the word with an open mind and see what I come up with.
Your soul depends on it.
OK AW.
NOW you could scold me..
Actually UG, the early Christians were very criticized and called CANNIBALS.
I'm not discussing transubstantiation with you here.
Which the ealy Church theologians believed in BTW.
You could Google it. You have much to learn....
What I AM discussing is your ATTITUDE.
Your attitude is covered under Jesus' teaching: The Beatitudes. Covered in Mathew chapters 5 to 7.
It would behoove you to read this.
Stop depending on the blood of Jesus for EVERYTHING, even forgiveness for your Likes to mean statements by Others,
and start doing what Jesus said to do.
WHAT JESUS said to do.
Find out what He said to do and then start doing it.
Clue: Be nice to people, all people. You could start by being nice to other Christians.
I'm not discussing transubstantiation with you here.
Which the ealy Church theologians believed in BTW.
You could Google it. You have much to learn....
What I AM discussing is your ATTITUDE.
Your attitude is covered under Jesus' teaching: The Beatitudes. Covered in Mathew chapters 5 to 7.
It would behoove you to read this.
Stop depending on the blood of Jesus for EVERYTHING, even forgiveness for your Likes to mean statements by Others,
and start doing what Jesus said to do.
WHAT JESUS said to do.
Find out what He said to do and then start doing it.
Clue: Be nice to people, all people. You could start by being nice to other Christians.