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A Christianity without belief in the Triune nature of God as one God in three persons is about as heretical as it gets 
John 17
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1st Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him;
There is only one God ''The Father'' who became a man.
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
1st Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
And the man He became who is God the Father Himself incarnate is Jesus.
John 14
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
the Trinity put in the most simple way:
Father: provided/offered/gave the way
Son: Paid the way
Holy Spirit: shows the way
I firmly believe in Trinity, and when the Bible says they're one, it means they work together as one. Not the same person, cause God has always been, Jesus wasn't always around though, God didn't die, Jesus did, God raised Jesus from the dead, Jesus didn't raise Himself, God is the Father, Jesus the Son, you can't be your own father and son. Jesus prayed TO the Father, not to Himself. So many things prove that oneness is wrong. Anyways, peace, and God bless.
Father: provided/offered/gave the way
Son: Paid the way
Holy Spirit: shows the way
I firmly believe in Trinity, and when the Bible says they're one, it means they work together as one. Not the same person, cause God has always been, Jesus wasn't always around though, God didn't die, Jesus did, God raised Jesus from the dead, Jesus didn't raise Himself, God is the Father, Jesus the Son, you can't be your own father and son. Jesus prayed TO the Father, not to Himself. So many things prove that oneness is wrong. Anyways, peace, and God bless.
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still learning - Thanks for starting this thread. I don't know how many times I've gotten into a discussion of the Trinity with people who have no idea that it is a post-scriptural doctrine.
First of all, no one should be banned for stating a reasonable position simply because it differs from the mainstream: that kind of thinking would have gotten Martin Luther banned here. Second, where is this rule you're speaking of? I've read the rules of conduct (the ones that you agree to when you sign up) and I saw no list of doctrines that members must agree with.
First of all, no one should be banned for stating a reasonable position simply because it differs from the mainstream: that kind of thinking would have gotten Martin Luther banned here. Second, where is this rule you're speaking of? I've read the rules of conduct (the ones that you agree to when you sign up) and I saw no list of doctrines that members must agree with.
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You can choose to believe whatever you want to believe, and I'm quoting you not because I want to argue with you, but because your post brought up something I wanted to mention.
This is one of the clever anecdotes that people use to explain how the Trinity works. Another one I've heard is that water can be in three phases (liquid, ice, vapor) but it is still water, and that is supposed to help us understand how God works. I'm sure there are dozens of others. There's also the notion that our "feeble" minds are inadequate when trying to grasp the concept of the Trinity, which is the real reason why these anecdotes were invented. People can invent all sorts of explanations and theologies around false premises, and that may be what's happening here. Christians who choose to believe in the Trinitarian view of God can do so if they wish, but those who believe that God is an undivided One, and that Jesus is His son, have the better scriptural basis for their argument. This does not make the Trinity less true--indeed it may be true--but it certainly makes it a less likely possibility. And the key here is that this is a doctrine invented by men, not one that is clearly articulated in scripture.
This is one of the clever anecdotes that people use to explain how the Trinity works. Another one I've heard is that water can be in three phases (liquid, ice, vapor) but it is still water, and that is supposed to help us understand how God works. I'm sure there are dozens of others. There's also the notion that our "feeble" minds are inadequate when trying to grasp the concept of the Trinity, which is the real reason why these anecdotes were invented. People can invent all sorts of explanations and theologies around false premises, and that may be what's happening here. Christians who choose to believe in the Trinitarian view of God can do so if they wish, but those who believe that God is an undivided One, and that Jesus is His son, have the better scriptural basis for their argument. This does not make the Trinity less true--indeed it may be true--but it certainly makes it a less likely possibility. And the key here is that this is a doctrine invented by men, not one that is clearly articulated in scripture.
I agree, I have read the rules myself, the only thing that could fall into that catergory is where it says not to say or post anything anti-Christian or against what God's word says. No one should be banned for their own beliefs, if that were true, should not the person that said the other should be banned also be banned? for beliving differently? Okay then, point taken lol. I'm with you on this one Groundhog.
God bless.
God bless.
So if Jesus is ''God'' in the Flesh and according to Jesus Himself the Father is the only true God does that not mean that Jesus has to be the Father incarnate?
John 17
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 17
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
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It's important to point out that Jesus was speaking figuratively there, making an analogy between His body and the Temple. It's important primarily because the rest of the New Testament seems to contradict your assumption:
Acts 2:24
24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.
Acts 3:15, Acts 4:10, Acts 10:40, Acts 13:30-37 (several times there), 1 Peter 1:21, Romans 8:11, Romans 10:9, Ephesians 1:20, and several other scriptures clearly state that God raised Christ from the dead.
Acts 2:24
24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.
Acts 3:15, Acts 4:10, Acts 10:40, Acts 13:30-37 (several times there), 1 Peter 1:21, Romans 8:11, Romans 10:9, Ephesians 1:20, and several other scriptures clearly state that God raised Christ from the dead.
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