Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!
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That very well may be the case because of the nature of the fallen world we live in. That doesn't mean that it's God's will any more than it's God's will when a baby is born with no legs, or it's heart on the outside. Any deformity is because we live in a fallen world from original sin.
We do however have choices as to how we live in this fallen world. The child without legs can lay in bed and eventually die there, or can accomplish amazing things even without legs. There is also God's grace in this world and there is also healing. The question is, are you going to simply accept whatever comes and be conformed to the world, or will you allow God's word to transform you into his image?
We do however have choices as to how we live in this fallen world. The child without legs can lay in bed and eventually die there, or can accomplish amazing things even without legs. There is also God's grace in this world and there is also healing. The question is, are you going to simply accept whatever comes and be conformed to the world, or will you allow God's word to transform you into his image?
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This thread is the product of the American public educational system.
They tell children "don't listen to what other people want you to be, just be yourself".
In this, they gain the trust of children, because all children are naturally naive yet rebellious.
The they tell the child exactly what they should be...
The boy says "No, I'm a boy". The teacher says "you don't know that yet. You are too young to make that choice. Don't you ever feel like a girl?"
Sick!!
This conversation literally happened in my class in 4th grade.
Gay is not natural.
Sin is natural.
Stop making excuses for sin.
You can't change the behaviour of unbelievers, but you can show them the mercy of Christ,
and you can throw sin out of the Assembly!
Don't let perversion minister within the Church.
They tell children "don't listen to what other people want you to be, just be yourself".
In this, they gain the trust of children, because all children are naturally naive yet rebellious.
The they tell the child exactly what they should be...
The boy says "No, I'm a boy". The teacher says "you don't know that yet. You are too young to make that choice. Don't you ever feel like a girl?"
Sick!!
This conversation literally happened in my class in 4th grade.
Gay is not natural.
Sin is natural.
Stop making excuses for sin.
You can't change the behaviour of unbelievers, but you can show them the mercy of Christ,
and you can throw sin out of the Assembly!
Don't let perversion minister within the Church.
Romans 1:18-32
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
nobody gets born gay. some people become gay in puberty, some people become gay because they have a father complex,
and some people become gay because its cool today. but all gay have somthing in common they all have an evil heart.
people with a good heart like myself can never become gay.
i have a little verse from the Bible for you guys: 3rd book of moses, chapter 20, verse 13
And if a man has sex relations with a man, the two of them have done a disgusting thing: let them be put to death; their blood will be on them.
Did you see? thats Gods law from the old testament. i also think that the only sin that jesus is NOT carrying is the homo sin.
and some people become gay because its cool today. but all gay have somthing in common they all have an evil heart.
people with a good heart like myself can never become gay.
i have a little verse from the Bible for you guys: 3rd book of moses, chapter 20, verse 13
And if a man has sex relations with a man, the two of them have done a disgusting thing: let them be put to death; their blood will be on them.
Did you see? thats Gods law from the old testament. i also think that the only sin that jesus is NOT carrying is the homo sin.
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So what about the child molester, are we supposed to ignore him too?, and what when the log is removed? Homosexuals degrade and punish themselves we do not need to degrade or punish them but we need to declare their behaviour wrong and rebuke it.
As for casting out family members who practice homosexuality, if the homosexual loved his family he would soon cease the sin but on the other hand if he loved his sin more than he loved his family he would choose to remain in his depravity.
Sin is not fun,it may feel good for a season and the attitude of of a born again christian towards sin should be grief, not merriment. I become very worried when anyone (especially from this forum) calls sin fun and you have more or less admitted in your above post that you do not believe the word of God.
As for casting out family members who practice homosexuality, if the homosexual loved his family he would soon cease the sin but on the other hand if he loved his sin more than he loved his family he would choose to remain in his depravity.
Sin is not fun,it may feel good for a season and the attitude of of a born again christian towards sin should be grief, not merriment. I become very worried when anyone (especially from this forum) calls sin fun and you have more or less admitted in your above post that you do not believe the word of God.
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Anyone can say anything. The question is, do we have proof of your statement?
No. There is none. In fact, there is evidence that quite the opposite is true.
If sexual orientation is genetically determined, then the concordance rate among identical twins should be 100%. If one twin is gay, so should be the other. Alas, the concordance rate, according to researchers Peter Bearman from Columbia and Hannah Bruckner from Yale, who published their work on the potential for genetic testing for a "homosexual gene' in the University of Chicago's Journal of Genetic Science in an article titled Opposite sex twins and same-sex attraction in 2002, is somewhere between 5% and 7%. Oops.
The flawed thinking behind a genetic test for sexual orientation is clear from studies of twins, which show that the identical twin of a gay man, who carries an exact replica of his brother's DNA, is more likely to be straight than gay. That means even a perfect genetic test that picked up every gene linked to sexual orientation would still be less effective than flipping a coin, and it calls into serious question the concept of there being a "homosexual gene" at all.
No. There is none. In fact, there is evidence that quite the opposite is true.
If sexual orientation is genetically determined, then the concordance rate among identical twins should be 100%. If one twin is gay, so should be the other. Alas, the concordance rate, according to researchers Peter Bearman from Columbia and Hannah Bruckner from Yale, who published their work on the potential for genetic testing for a "homosexual gene' in the University of Chicago's Journal of Genetic Science in an article titled Opposite sex twins and same-sex attraction in 2002, is somewhere between 5% and 7%. Oops.
The flawed thinking behind a genetic test for sexual orientation is clear from studies of twins, which show that the identical twin of a gay man, who carries an exact replica of his brother's DNA, is more likely to be straight than gay. That means even a perfect genetic test that picked up every gene linked to sexual orientation would still be less effective than flipping a coin, and it calls into serious question the concept of there being a "homosexual gene" at all.
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After reading some of your threads I have this to say firstAll People Have Done Wrong
18 God shows his anger from heaven against all the evil and wrong things that people do. Their evil lives hide the truth they have. 19 This makes God angry because they have been shown what he is like. Yes, God has made it clear to them.
20 There are things about God that people cannot see—his eternal power and all that makes him God. But since the beginning of the world, those things have been easy for people to understand. They are made clear in what God has made. So people have no excuse for the evil they do.
21 People knew God, but they did not honor him as God, and they did not thank him. Their ideas were all useless. There was not one good thought left in their foolish minds. 22 They said they were wise, but they became fools. 23 Instead of honoring the divine greatness of God, who lives forever, they traded it for the worship of idols—things made to look like humans, who get sick and die, or like birds, animals, and snakes.
24 People wanted only to do evil. So God left them and let them go their sinful way. And so they became completely immoral and used their bodies in shameful ways with each other. 25 They traded the truth of God for a lie. They bowed down and worshiped the things God made instead of worshiping the God who made those things. He is the one who should be praised forever. Amen.
26 Because people did those things, God left them and let them do the shameful things they wanted to do. Women stopped having natural sex with men and started having sex with other women. 27 In the same way, men stopped having natural sex with women and began wanting each other all the time. Men did shameful things with other men, and in their bodies they received the punishment for those wrongs.
28 People did not think it was important to have a true knowledge of God. So God left them and allowed them to have their own worthless thinking. And so they do what they should not do. 29 They are filled with every kind of sin, evil, greed, and hatred. They are full of jealousy, murder, fighting, lying, and thinking the worst things about each other. They gossip 30 and say evil things about each other. They hate God. They are rude, proud, and brag about themselves. They invent ways of doing evil. They don’t obey their parents, 31 they are foolish, they don’t keep their promises, and they show no kindness or mercy to others. 32 They know God’s law says that anyone who lives like that should die. But they not only continue to do these things themselves, but they also encourage others who do them. This is the WORD of God he is the Truth and the WORD to disregard his WORD to substitute your own feelings that is the Sin , In other words if someone has feelings for Animals should they act on those feelings . or a Son for his Mother, a Father for his daughter , a brother for his sister , do you get my meaning now . to be proud of your sin and then profess it , is a slap in the face of Gods Word . Repent be Babtized and sin no more . That what Christ has done for us Christians will you let him do the same for you ? Praise the Lord Jesus Christ Amen .
18 God shows his anger from heaven against all the evil and wrong things that people do. Their evil lives hide the truth they have. 19 This makes God angry because they have been shown what he is like. Yes, God has made it clear to them.
20 There are things about God that people cannot see—his eternal power and all that makes him God. But since the beginning of the world, those things have been easy for people to understand. They are made clear in what God has made. So people have no excuse for the evil they do.
21 People knew God, but they did not honor him as God, and they did not thank him. Their ideas were all useless. There was not one good thought left in their foolish minds. 22 They said they were wise, but they became fools. 23 Instead of honoring the divine greatness of God, who lives forever, they traded it for the worship of idols—things made to look like humans, who get sick and die, or like birds, animals, and snakes.
24 People wanted only to do evil. So God left them and let them go their sinful way. And so they became completely immoral and used their bodies in shameful ways with each other. 25 They traded the truth of God for a lie. They bowed down and worshiped the things God made instead of worshiping the God who made those things. He is the one who should be praised forever. Amen.
26 Because people did those things, God left them and let them do the shameful things they wanted to do. Women stopped having natural sex with men and started having sex with other women. 27 In the same way, men stopped having natural sex with women and began wanting each other all the time. Men did shameful things with other men, and in their bodies they received the punishment for those wrongs.
28 People did not think it was important to have a true knowledge of God. So God left them and allowed them to have their own worthless thinking. And so they do what they should not do. 29 They are filled with every kind of sin, evil, greed, and hatred. They are full of jealousy, murder, fighting, lying, and thinking the worst things about each other. They gossip 30 and say evil things about each other. They hate God. They are rude, proud, and brag about themselves. They invent ways of doing evil. They don’t obey their parents, 31 they are foolish, they don’t keep their promises, and they show no kindness or mercy to others. 32 They know God’s law says that anyone who lives like that should die. But they not only continue to do these things themselves, but they also encourage others who do them. This is the WORD of God he is the Truth and the WORD to disregard his WORD to substitute your own feelings that is the Sin , In other words if someone has feelings for Animals should they act on those feelings . or a Son for his Mother, a Father for his daughter , a brother for his sister , do you get my meaning now . to be proud of your sin and then profess it , is a slap in the face of Gods Word . Repent be Babtized and sin no more . That what Christ has done for us Christians will you let him do the same for you ? Praise the Lord Jesus Christ Amen .
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
God is clearly saying even thou a person IS a Homosexual he CAN accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior and enter into Heaven. Being a Homosexual will NOT keep you from entering into Heaven.
We are ALL washed and Sanctified by Jesus Christ! Even the homosexuals! So why are people down on this one sin only?
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
God is clearly saying even thou a person IS a Homosexual he CAN accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior and enter into Heaven. Being a Homosexual will NOT keep you from entering into Heaven.
We are ALL washed and Sanctified by Jesus Christ! Even the homosexuals! So why are people down on this one sin only?
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If you except Christ
You will be forgiven if you repent and Sin No More Do you think you are forgiven to continue to live in your Sin ! You are expected to be Like Christ ! So to flaunt the Sin openly do you think you will be forgiven ? If a Murderer Excepts Christ but continues to Murder do you think he is Christ like? Do you except a child molester in to your church if he professes to be saved but that's not going to stop him from Molesting Children? God will forgive you but you have to leave your sin for that to happen be born again ! Washed of those sins you may back slide but its nothing to be proud of you ask for forgiveness and try and sin no more !
You will be forgiven if you repent and Sin No More Do you think you are forgiven to continue to live in your Sin ! You are expected to be Like Christ ! So to flaunt the Sin openly do you think you will be forgiven ? If a Murderer Excepts Christ but continues to Murder do you think he is Christ like? Do you except a child molester in to your church if he professes to be saved but that's not going to stop him from Molesting Children? God will forgive you but you have to leave your sin for that to happen be born again ! Washed of those sins you may back slide but its nothing to be proud of you ask for forgiveness and try and sin no more !
Every single one of these conditions can be caught, contracted or developed in a heterosexual relationship, and some of them don't even require a person to be sexually active. Salmonella, granulomas, chancroids, meningitis, hepatitis, fungal infection, urethritis, gastrointestinal infections. None of these even require a person to be having sex.
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Looks like he planned for being banned for months. Look at his join date. But that's him. I mean, really, no posts in six months? Then he starts a thread and makes two posts in the last two hours, acting like he's been around for ages?
Yeah, sure as Jason teaches sinless perfectionism, that's him.
Looks like he planned for being banned for months. Look at his join date. But that's him. I mean, really, no posts in six months? Then he starts a thread and makes two posts in the last two hours, acting like he's been around for ages?
Yeah, sure as Jason teaches sinless perfectionism, that's him.
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I noticed that too. He must have been getting warned so he knew it was coming. Nice try but no cigar Jason.....us eternal security people may be going to hell (in your world) but we ain't dumb. Lol
Looks like he planned for being banned for months. Look at his join date. But that's him. I mean, really, no posts in six months? Then he starts a thread and makes two posts in the last two hours, acting like he's been around for ages?
Yeah, sure as Jason teaches sinless perfectionism, that's him.
Yeah, sure as Jason teaches sinless perfectionism, that's him.
Homosexuality has to be a choice that people make,for babies are born innocent,but will sin later on,but innocent at first.
God does not want us to sin,and if people are born homosexual then God would be putting a sin on them that they did not make a choice to do.
We are not born with sin on our record,and the only reason we are deemed sinners is because of that choice thing,so we are born not knowing God,where Adam and Eve were born knowing God,but when they ate off that tree then they had a choice,which all that is born from them have a choice,and we do wrong before we come to God,because we are born not knowing God.
But there is no sin attached to us at birth,because we are innocent,and the Bible says that the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones.
God does not want us to sin,and if people are born homosexual then God would be putting a sin on them that they did not make a choice to do.
We are not born with sin on our record,and the only reason we are deemed sinners is because of that choice thing,so we are born not knowing God,where Adam and Eve were born knowing God,but when they ate off that tree then they had a choice,which all that is born from them have a choice,and we do wrong before we come to God,because we are born not knowing God.
But there is no sin attached to us at birth,because we are innocent,and the Bible says that the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones.
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