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The problem with talking about God and the Scriptures is we must remember not everyone who says 'Lord,Lord' is a Born Again Christian and because of this there will be those who will try to deceive us with their lies from Satan.
This is where all the problems come from. False Prophets are everywhere. In here, in our Churches.
This is where all the problems come from. False Prophets are everywhere. In here, in our Churches.
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If all you see is junk you may want to consider changing your lenses. Also...
Its hard for people to receive a message they themselves feel the messenger isn't complying with. You already saw a post, back and forth, between you and another user. Already your attempt to make the bible discussion forum an actual bible discussion has been tossed aside for snide remarks. Nothing new, and as you said, "Don't worry about what everyone else's problem is." Self-reflection may be something we should consider before calling others to higher standards.
To me this is like learning how to be skinny from a morbidly obese person. Or learning about a happy marriage from a man who has been divorced three times. It isn't palatable. Practice what you preach so that there can be unity, and civil discussion. VVouldn't you agree? I suppose that can be a bible discussion topic, our witness.
Its hard for people to receive a message they themselves feel the messenger isn't complying with. You already saw a post, back and forth, between you and another user. Already your attempt to make the bible discussion forum an actual bible discussion has been tossed aside for snide remarks. Nothing new, and as you said, "Don't worry about what everyone else's problem is." Self-reflection may be something we should consider before calling others to higher standards.
To me this is like learning how to be skinny from a morbidly obese person. Or learning about a happy marriage from a man who has been divorced three times. It isn't palatable. Practice what you preach so that there can be unity, and civil discussion. VVouldn't you agree? I suppose that can be a bible discussion topic, our witness.
You know what? I've been trying to change. I try not to get in your nonstop propaganda threads. I've been trying to avoid most of the propaganda threads. I've been trying. I'm not always successful.
But do you know what you are doing? You're the wolf who thinks he has the right to judge all others based on his wolfishness. You want this forum to be the same so you can keep bullying people into your pet theory.
Yup. I'm the fat person asking others to help. Why? Because fat people know how hard this is. I've seen your witness. I see it now. What it says is "ain't I something?"
I'm sorry. I've got no skills at being something, so I keep trying. Funny thing. We're suppose to be encouraging each other, and yet then there is you!
So, yeah. I'd rather still talk about God and the bible then your pet theory and how to bully others again. You haven't noticed. I've said often enough that I'm not a teacher, yet here you are pretending I'm teaching to prop yourself up to bully some more. I don't accept bullying. I'm still me. And I'm not sorry you can't change me.
Lynn,
IMHO, the reason that we don't have intelligent Bible discussions here is the lack of people enough Bible intelligence to really discuss it.
I see that the BDF has the same problem that the church in Corinth had when Paul wrote to them in 1 Corinthians.
1 Corinthians 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. 11 For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. 12 What I mean is that each one of you says, "I follow Paul," or "I follow Apollos," or "I follow Cephas," or "I follow Christ." 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name.
Just substitute personal preference Paul, Apollos, or Cephas, and claim to be following Christ, and you have the typical BDF discussion.
Some food for those reading this post. What does the following verse tell you?
1Corinthians 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles,
IMHO, the reason that we don't have intelligent Bible discussions here is the lack of people enough Bible intelligence to really discuss it.
I see that the BDF has the same problem that the church in Corinth had when Paul wrote to them in 1 Corinthians.
1 Corinthians 1:10 I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. 11 For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. 12 What I mean is that each one of you says, "I follow Paul," or "I follow Apollos," or "I follow Cephas," or "I follow Christ." 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name.
Just substitute personal preference Paul, Apollos, or Cephas, and claim to be following Christ, and you have the typical BDF discussion.
Some food for those reading this post. What does the following verse tell you?
1Corinthians 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles,
Hebrews 4:7-12
King James Version(KJV)
7.)Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8.)For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9.)There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10.)For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11.)Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12.)For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
King James Version(KJV)
7.)Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8.)For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9.)There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10.)For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11.)Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12.)For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
T
22 Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; 23 for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:
32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them. (Acts 17:22-34)
Just as Paul discovered in Athens, the world is a spiritual marketplace of sorts.
There are lots and lots of religions, faiths, and beliefs swirling around in our world.
As we know Christianity itself is not immune from these influences, although, of course, Christianity should ideally be immune from pagan and demonic influence it is not.
However, in this episode Paul uses the opportunity presented to him to preach the Gospel, to correct the spiritual ignorance and biases that were present. He is partially successful with several of his hearers choosing to believe in his message of the Gospel.
The current situation of the world that we now live in is even worse than that experienced by Paul. Not only are Christians exposed to cultures and religions from all over the planet - Paul only had exposure to Mediterranean cultures and a little more broadly those incorporated into the Roman Empire as it was at that time - but there is an ever accelerating emergence of new false religion.
This is our reality.
On top of this is the world wide web.
Through the WWW individuals of any faith and belief have almost instantaneous access to individuals of any other faith and belief.
This is also the reality of this Forum.
It is not a closed shop and I don't think that this Forum was conceived originally with this in mind.
In the same way that Paul defended the veracity and reality of the Gospel in Athens we also are called to that same task now. On a daily basis any number of incorrect, immature, or frankly heretical doctrinal positions are posted on this site. Some of these posters regard themselves as Christian and some do not.
Either way our response is to contend for the truth of the Gospel, not to use it as a weapon against the flesh, but to correct, reproof, and draw that individual toward a loving relationship with God.
It is a reality that none of us has perfect doctrine. No matter how mature in Christ, no matter how well read we none of us can make a claim of being in possession of perfect doctrine. However, part of our walk of sanctification is to gain a better and better understanding of God and His business - this is what theology is about after all - and then translate that into our daily walk with God and our lives and interactions with others around us.
Debate and disagreement are part of the process of understanding who and what God is. The Council of Jerusalem exposed deep divisions and sharp disagreement between different parts of the church. Only once those differing viewpoints were aired could a solution be reached.
It is true that what happens on this site is much less formal but the principle is still valid.
It is also inevitable that, even issues settled in distant history would periodically make an appearance. We have several Judaizers active on this Forum currently. So despite the issue having being conclusively settled by the Council of Jerusalem 2000 years ago here we are debating the same issues now in 2016.
In summary, our only reposes can be to stand for the truth and reality of the Gospel.
2000 years on from Paul's sermon on Mar's Hill we are still doing the same - and that will not change.
TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.
Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: 24 “God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. 26 And He has made from one blood[c] every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them. (Acts 17:22-34)
Just as Paul discovered in Athens, the world is a spiritual marketplace of sorts.
There are lots and lots of religions, faiths, and beliefs swirling around in our world.
As we know Christianity itself is not immune from these influences, although, of course, Christianity should ideally be immune from pagan and demonic influence it is not.
However, in this episode Paul uses the opportunity presented to him to preach the Gospel, to correct the spiritual ignorance and biases that were present. He is partially successful with several of his hearers choosing to believe in his message of the Gospel.
The current situation of the world that we now live in is even worse than that experienced by Paul. Not only are Christians exposed to cultures and religions from all over the planet - Paul only had exposure to Mediterranean cultures and a little more broadly those incorporated into the Roman Empire as it was at that time - but there is an ever accelerating emergence of new false religion.
This is our reality.
On top of this is the world wide web.
Through the WWW individuals of any faith and belief have almost instantaneous access to individuals of any other faith and belief.
This is also the reality of this Forum.
It is not a closed shop and I don't think that this Forum was conceived originally with this in mind.
In the same way that Paul defended the veracity and reality of the Gospel in Athens we also are called to that same task now. On a daily basis any number of incorrect, immature, or frankly heretical doctrinal positions are posted on this site. Some of these posters regard themselves as Christian and some do not.
Either way our response is to contend for the truth of the Gospel, not to use it as a weapon against the flesh, but to correct, reproof, and draw that individual toward a loving relationship with God.
It is a reality that none of us has perfect doctrine. No matter how mature in Christ, no matter how well read we none of us can make a claim of being in possession of perfect doctrine. However, part of our walk of sanctification is to gain a better and better understanding of God and His business - this is what theology is about after all - and then translate that into our daily walk with God and our lives and interactions with others around us.
Debate and disagreement are part of the process of understanding who and what God is. The Council of Jerusalem exposed deep divisions and sharp disagreement between different parts of the church. Only once those differing viewpoints were aired could a solution be reached.
It is true that what happens on this site is much less formal but the principle is still valid.
It is also inevitable that, even issues settled in distant history would periodically make an appearance. We have several Judaizers active on this Forum currently. So despite the issue having being conclusively settled by the Council of Jerusalem 2000 years ago here we are debating the same issues now in 2016.
In summary, our only reposes can be to stand for the truth and reality of the Gospel.
2000 years on from Paul's sermon on Mar's Hill we are still doing the same - and that will not change.
D
Ah! Thank you! That's it. It seems like the Apollos group and the Cephas group have taken over this board enough that we can't even try to learn more about the God that is supposed to be leading us all. It's so bad that when I do try and ask a question about the Bible I have to give a foreward to explain I'm not trying to teach, I'm not trying to convert, I'm not even trying to prove I know the answer. I just want others to help me figure something out.
And I do that because the automatic assumption on here is I'm going to preach my personal opinion until everyone agrees, I am supposed to have all the answers because when a question is asked the questioner answers, and everyone has a pitch to sell, so everyone must arm for a fight to defend their position.
I've been studying for years and still don't get it all. How many is this forum shutting down specifically so they do have the field to keep escalating their group's opinions?
And I do that because the automatic assumption on here is I'm going to preach my personal opinion until everyone agrees, I am supposed to have all the answers because when a question is asked the questioner answers, and everyone has a pitch to sell, so everyone must arm for a fight to defend their position.
I've been studying for years and still don't get it all. How many is this forum shutting down specifically so they do have the field to keep escalating their group's opinions?
Then lets do some Bible Study!
Ephesians 2:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved
We have been saved by the Grace from God, not by anything we can do. We cannot lose our Salvation by sinning because we never received our Salvation by not sinning.
Ok, i got the ball rolling on Bible discussion. Next!
Ephesians 2:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved
We have been saved by the Grace from God, not by anything we can do. We cannot lose our Salvation by sinning because we never received our Salvation by not sinning.
Ok, i got the ball rolling on Bible discussion. Next!
T
I agree, more exposition of what those verses mean to the poster would be exceptionally helpful in decoding what the poster is really trying to say.
It will enable us to discuss what those verses and passages of Scripture mean, rather than merely throwing verses and Scripture at each other like rotten tomatoes.
On a different, but related theme I must confess that many of the most insightful and wise words of wisdom I have read on this forum have come from women.
Long may that continue!
It will enable us to discuss what those verses and passages of Scripture mean, rather than merely throwing verses and Scripture at each other like rotten tomatoes.
On a different, but related theme I must confess that many of the most insightful and wise words of wisdom I have read on this forum have come from women.
Long may that continue!
S
I'm relatively new to this site, but of the many things I admire is the lack of over moderation. I think I've seen one moderator post a warning. If you want to ruin a good forum, hire mods who steer discussion, just like a church split--it's over, turn out the lights. That said you've a great point. You want new participants, and hey they might even bring something into an old discussion old salty dog participants never thought of. If I see someone throw a hand grenade into a discussion, I will henceforth use my discipline to not completely dismantle them with my IMMENSE intellect and wit. That will be my contribution going forward.
But on the flip side if someone wants to attack a sincere bro or sis based on non scriptural power drunk narcissistic intent? Fair warning, there will be bold and italicized blood on the keyboard.
i don't even know what that means...
But on the flip side if someone wants to attack a sincere bro or sis based on non scriptural power drunk narcissistic intent? Fair warning, there will be bold and italicized blood on the keyboard.
i don't even know what that means...
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It is really up to the Seekers to ask questions if they want answers.. I do not see many Seekers in here actually.. Most of the topics are discussions/ debates between religious people.. Maybe there should be a separate forum called Seekers questions to Christians... I would love to spend all my time here answering Seekers questions.. But there are not many genuine Seekers these days.. In most forums they are devout atheists waging a jihad to convert Christians to atheism.. They do serve a purpose though.. Their attacks cause us to investigate and become better at defending the scriptures..
Also there is nothing wrong with Christians discussing things like OSAS , Calvinism, Prosperity doctrine, and all the other controversial topics.. There are Christians looking on who will alter their views or have their views strengthened as a result of the discussions / debates on these topics.. Of course most people who give input to these discussions are very confident in their views so most of them will not change there minds.. But the ones making contributions are not the only ones reading and considering the posts.. Most people who are unsure or fence sitters do not join in the discussion but are just reading along considering the points being made..
So my POV is people come here for different reasons if you start a policy of stopping them posting certain types of topics then they will just leave.. You are not going to increase the number of seekers coming to this site by driving other people away.. You are just going to end up making this site a ghost town...
Also there is nothing wrong with Christians discussing things like OSAS , Calvinism, Prosperity doctrine, and all the other controversial topics.. There are Christians looking on who will alter their views or have their views strengthened as a result of the discussions / debates on these topics.. Of course most people who give input to these discussions are very confident in their views so most of them will not change there minds.. But the ones making contributions are not the only ones reading and considering the posts.. Most people who are unsure or fence sitters do not join in the discussion but are just reading along considering the points being made..
So my POV is people come here for different reasons if you start a policy of stopping them posting certain types of topics then they will just leave.. You are not going to increase the number of seekers coming to this site by driving other people away.. You are just going to end up making this site a ghost town...
