How can "all Israel be saved" if:

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Bible says:

"Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in and in this way all Israel will be saved"
R 11:25,26 NIV

While you read:

"Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in and after that all Israel will be saved"
R 11:25,26 E-G translation

I would ask ; Hardening in what part? The part that are the inward Jew born again of the spirit of that Jew that came prior to being born again came from the two pagan tribes the Amorite and Hittites?

Inward part as born again
after the flesh of any nation called the Christian nation.. or outward after the flesh of one nation? Can't serve two masters.which part?

Ezekiel 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.


Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
 
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The Israel that is not the Israel simply because of the time of refomation revert back to the gentile. This is where they came from for a short while.

The fullness of the gentiles will come when the last sinner is given the faith that alone comes from hearing God through the perfect (as it is written). They served their temporal service to show God is not served with human hands as a will..

He is not done with all Israel according to the new name he named His wife, Christian ... (residents of the city of Christ the new Jerusalem). One bride, one church many names to identify her.. All Christian are not Christians as many as the father gave the son they alone will come.

What would be the purpose of glorying in a the flesh of a outward Jew or Christian . We know God is no respecter of persons and if a man has not the Spirit of Christ the Holy Spirit of God they simply are not of the true Israel or true Christians the new name he named Israel. .

God puts no difference between the purifying the hearts of both by a work of His faith ,as a labor of his three day love.

Its dispensationalism that says he works differently in different dispensations.

Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between usand them, purifying their hearts by faith.

1. That Isreal is the Israel that is blinded in part. Which is the elect. Which is hated for the gospel. But believed as for the election. Which is not gentile (saved or not saved) They are the natural branch not the unnatural branch.
2. The time the gentiles are up is when the gentile kingdoms or beasts prophesied by daniel meet their end. They are said to have their end when the messiah returns himself and destroys them.
3. It has nothing to do with any gentile christian. It has to do with the nation of Israel period (Paul's writing in chapter 11 is to answer the question, Is God done with isreal. That context must be used to interpret it)
 
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"The sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness".

Matt 8:11 “I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven;

Matt 8:12 but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Catch 44...
I believe that Matt. 8:11,12 are speaking of TWO different peoples . . .

Those who have placed their trust in God - Kingdom of Heaven . . . Isn't Matt. 8:11 speaking of the "remnant"?
Many will come from the east and west . . . Fear not: for I am with you: I will bring your seed from the east, and gather you from the west; . . . everyone that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him. Isaiah 43:5,7

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, . . . And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah form the four corners of the earth. Isaiah 11:11a,12

Thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob. And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I am the LORD their God. Ezekiel 28:25,26

and those who have not placed their trust in God, i.e. sons of the kingdom - weeping and gnashing of teeth:

But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matt. 8:12
Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matt. 22:13
And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matt. 24:31
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matt. 25:30
There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Luke 13:28

So, not really a problem here.