How do we Know When a Person who Claims to be Born-Again was Never Born-Again?

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Marcelo said:
First step is to ask oneself: "Am I born again?". If, after a sincere self examination, the answer is YES then we can go ahead. Well, I'm very weak in the faith, but still I think I am a born-again Christian.

A variety of sins, specially if repeated, can prove someone is not born again, for example: ADULTERY. I know many "Christians" who think they can cheat on their spouses and get away with it. I'd rather believe they were never born-again, so they still have the chance of being truly converted before it's too late.
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If a man is born from above he is born once for all. It does not need repeating.

If he sins thereafter he will be chastened, often severely, by God (Heb 12) so that he will not be condemned with the world (1 Corinthians 11.22).

This includes all sins, including adultery.
 
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Marcelo said:
First step is to ask oneself: "Am I born again?". If, after a sincere self examination, the answer is YES then we can go ahead. Well, I'm very weak in the faith, but still I think I am a born-again Christian.

A variety of sins, specially if repeated, can prove someone is not born again, for example: ADULTERY. I know many "Christians" who think they can cheat on their spouses and get away with it. I'd rather believe they were never born-again, so they still have the chance of being truly converted before it's too late.
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Over eating also. And not being in shape. I know many "Christians" who are a couple pound's over their ideal weight and can't run around their car without losing their breath. Don't they know that their body is a temple? Any fat, out of shape "believer" is not really saved.
 
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Journey-home said:
Only God knows how much we respond to his grace.
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So why are you out on the prowl to unsave folks?

How much do you think you respond to His Grace? Keeping with the vain of the OP, lets determine if your going to make it or not.
 
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Journey-home said:
What sins people commit Prove they were never born-again to begin with?
Can a person be born-again more than once?
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I think we struggle with temptation even after we are born again. One can be born again and backslide. You just have to get to know a person and see if they are committed to serving the Lord, or if it's just a show.
 
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valiant said:
If a man is born from above he is born once for all. It does not need repeating.

If he sins thereafter he will be chastened, often severely, by God (Heb 12) so that he will not be condemned with the world (1 Corinthians 11.22).

This includes all sins, including adultery.
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To keep choosing to commit certain sins does not make a person holy for heaven, but, exposes them as still condemned with the world
 
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Gr8grace said:
So why are you out on the prowl to unsave folks?

How much do you think you respond to His Grace? Keeping with the vain of the OP, lets determine if your going to make it or not.
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No one is yet saved We only are saved after the body dies if we live a holy enough life to enter heaven.
 
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Journey-home said:
No one is yet saved We only are saved after the body dies if we live a holy enough life to enter heaven.
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That was what the Pharisees taught, remember how Jesus felt about them?
 
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Journey-home said:
To keep choosing to commit certain sins does not make a person holy for heaven, but, exposes them as still condemned with the world
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It suggests they are not born again. But if they are then God will deal with them severely, However His word is sure. He will not finally cast them off. That is God's word not mine.
 
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Journey-home said:
No one is yet saved We only are saved after the body dies if we live a holy enough life to enter heaven.
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Lets determine if you are holy enough. Lets use you as an example for your question.

What is your daily routine? How many minutes a day do you read the bible? Are you giving and serving everyday?

We will move on to other areas of your life after a few pages of your daily routine. Your daily routine may in itself prove that your not holy enough though.
 
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Gr8grace said:
Lets determine if you are holy enough. Lets use you as an example for your question.

What is your daily routine? How many minutes a day do you read the bible? Are you giving and serving everyday?

We will move on to other areas of your life after a few pages of your daily routine. Your daily routine may in itself prove that your not holy enough though.
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Our particular judgment is where those of us who attempt to respond to God's will find out if we were holy enough. Those who refuse to even attempt to live a holy life goes straight to hell.
 
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Gr8grace

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Journey-home said:
Our particular judgment is where those of us who attempt to respond to God's will find out if we were holy enough. Those who refuse to even attempt to live a holy life goes straight to hell.
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First of all your question on the head of the OP doesn't even line up with what you believe. You don't believe ANYONE is born-again yet.

Second~~you claim that you are one of those who "attempt" to respond to Gods will. I haven't determined that yet. And I haven't determined if you are even trying to live a holy life.
 
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Journey-home said:
Our particular judgment is where those of us who attempt to respond to God's will find out if we were holy enough. Those who refuse to even attempt to live a holy life goes straight to hell.
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But we do not 'attempt to respond to God's will'. We respond to His grace.He WORKS in us to will and do of His good pleasure. You are trying to do God's work for Him.
 
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valiant

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Journey-home said:
God demands we live a holy life and if we choose to not live a holy life we are already like the Pharisees.
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True but if we are to live a holy life it is by responding to the grace of God which will enable us to do so, not by our own weak efforts..
 
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Journey-home said:
God demands we live a holy life and if we choose to not live a holy life we are already like the Pharisees.
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Our particular judgment is where those of us who attempt to respond to God's will find out if we were holy enough. Those who refuse to even attempt to live a holy life goes straight to hell.
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You are ignorant of the scriptures. You have been given numerous verses and you respond to none of them.

No man is holy enough to enter heaven.

Ro 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Journey-home said:
Our particular judgment is where those of us who attempt to respond to God's will find out if we were holy enough. Those who refuse to even attempt to live a holy life goes straight to hell.
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I thank God that I do not have to wait for that. I have declared to God that I am unrighteous and unholy. And He has declared me justified (righteous in His sight) even whilst I was still ungodly (Rom 4.5), by giving me the righteousness of Christ, while He has taken all my sin (2 Corinthians 5.21)

At the same time He has given me a new heart and a new spirit, I have been born from above by Him. Thus has He transformed me into a new creature (2 Cor 5.17) that I might live holy unto Him.
 
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valiant said:
But we do not 'attempt to respond to God's will'. We respond to His grace.He WORKS in us to will and do of His good pleasure. You are trying to do God's work for Him.
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I am cooperating with God's grace. Many people will find out in eternity the punishment for not cooperating with God's grace.
 
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notuptome said:
You are ignorant of the scriptures. You have been given numerous verses and you respond to none of them.

No man is holy enough to enter heaven.

Ro 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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That's because you refuse to even try.
 
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Gr8grace

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Originally Posted by notuptome

You are ignorant of the scriptures. You have been given numerous verses and you respond to none of them.

No man is holy enough to enter heaven.

Ro 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

For the cause of Christ

Roger
Journey-home said:
That's because you refuse to even try.
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Originally Posted by Journey-home

Our particular judgment is where those of us who attempt to respond to God's will find out if we were holy enough. Those who refuse to even attempt to live a holy life goes straight to hell.
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So this is your way of telling Roger that he will go straight to hell?
 
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Journey if you believe that you can earn your way to heaven by attempting to live a holy life you will be disappointed at the end of that road. Find me one person who holy because of their own merit and find me one person whose works and righteous living makes them worthy of heaven. If such a person exists they must be Jesus back on earth again as I have yet to find one person who according to their own righteousness is worthy of heaven.

If you want to live a holy life then you need to learn what it means to be holy, we as humans from the beginning of this story messed up and of course after adam and eve all the way to us in this generation today continue to make the same mistakes over and over and over again and we continue to try to show we are holier than others we look down on those who we deem as not holy we continue to attack each other and make war with each other over something as simple as a difference in understanding of scriptures we are like children who refuse to learn from our mistakes who seem to love the voice of arrogance and ignorance and hate the voice of reason.

We can never be good enough because we supposedly live a holy life because I have read of our past as humans both in the bible and in history class and I can assure you being holy or worthy of heaven by our own merits is impossible. You can try to be holy and be righteous by (trying) but a true holy child of God lives a holy life because God formed it in their hearts and he does so by us spending all the time we can with him to know him to love him to deepen the bonds between god almighty and us as humans, in doing so he puts a heart of God inside of us slowly yet surely and all righteous and holy living just flows naturally as if by instinct.

I can tell the fruits of a Christian and the fruits of a poser but I could never look down on others with the eyes you bear
 
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