How do we Nullify the Book of James?

[David_1]

I was reading the Book of James last night, and what struck me was how contrary it is, to the values of most modern Christians.

Because I'm not 100% familiar with all the pastoral directions on this, how do Christians nullify books like James and instead do the opposite?

Is there a teaching or Theology that says these books are to be ignored, and instead do the exact opposite?

Has anyone who has studied the book, understand what I mean?

 

[MaggieMye]

It's call "compromise", "complacency", disobedience....mostly due to 'lack of knowledge" (Hos 4:6), And a severe lack of proper teaching from the pulpit.

 

[AngelCakes]

no, there is no teaching or proper theology that says james is to be ignored
james is a very practical book and it seems that a lot of people don't like practical christianity, they like stuff that is irrelevant to their daily living
IMO

 

[Nick01]

What is contradictory about James, for you?

 

[Shiloah]

What's supposed to be wrong with the book of James?

 

[Mammachickadee]

I was reading the Book of James last night, and what struck me was how contrary it is, to the values of most modern Christians.

Because I'm not 100% familiar with all the pastoral directions on this, how do Christians nullify books like James and instead do the opposite?

Is there a teaching or Theology that says these books are to be ignored, and instead do the exact opposite?

Has anyone who has studied the book, understand what I mean?

Probably because that would mean admitting that life is more than looking pretty for church.

 

[Mammachickadee]

Guys, he was saying that James makes preachers uncomfortable enough to ignore it even though it holds a wealth of practical teaching for everyday living.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I was reading the Book of James last night, and what struck me was how contrary it is, to the values of most modern Christians.

Because I'm not 100% familiar with all the pastoral directions on this, how do Christians nullify books like James and instead do the opposite?

Is there a teaching or Theology that says these books are to be ignored, and instead do the exact opposite?

Has anyone who has studied the book, understand what I mean?

 

[Nick01]

Guys, he was saying that James makes preachers uncomfortable enough to ignore it even though it holds a wealth of practical teaching for everyday living.

It really depends on what church you're in, I guess. I've done at least three small groups on James, sermon series, and at least two conferences where James was the topic. It can be challenging, but then so is the whole Bible.

 

[Cobus]

Nick how capable is the ELDERS of the churches today? God says in James ... Is any sick, let the elders of the church come and annoint the sick with oil and pray WITH FAITH,.... AND GOD SHALL heal the sick...

If we had FATHFUL elders we would need no doctors and medicine.... Instead we spend billions to heal people with chemicals... not oil and faith....

Yep but then what elder has the charactoristics of the qaulificatins of 1 Tim 3? And even the deacons.... TO KEEP THE MYSTERY OF FAITH ON A CLEAN CONSCIENCE.... What deacon can tell me what is the mystery of the faith? Do you know what the mystery of the faith is?

 

[JaumeJ]

I believe you have described the cause of the great moving away from the faith of Abraham which began two thousand years ago. Bravo! Praise Yeshua. He is worthy, amen.

I was reading the Book of James last night, and what struck me was how contrary it is, to the values of most modern Christians.

Because I'm not 100% familiar with all the pastoral directions on this, how do Christians nullify books like James and instead do the opposite?

Is there a teaching or Theology that says these books are to be ignored, and instead do the exact opposite?

Has anyone who has studied the book, understand what I mean?

 

[Nick01]

Nick how capable is the ELDERS of the churches today? God says in James ... Is any sick, let the elders of the church come and annoint the sick with oil and pray WITH FAITH,.... AND GOD SHALL heal the sick...

14 Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; 15 and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him.16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

I think asking for healing is an 'art' lost in many of our churches today, but I question whether James is teaching that ALL sickness will ALWAYS be healed in always PHYSICAL terms. The focus is on forgiveness of sins, being raised up by God at an indeterminate time. Can God heal? Yes, and he will certainly do so more if we trust him and pray earnestly. Will he alwys do so? I think not. Is the point of healing the sick to heal the sick physically? No it is not. After all, does not Paul say:

19 Greet Priscilla and Aquila and the household of Onesiphorus. 20 Erastus stayed in Corinth, and I left Trophimus sick in Miletus.

Why would such an event occur if faithful prayer will always result in healing? Why not, instead, say that God's chief aim when we are sick and suffering is to remind us of our need for him, to trust in him with all faith, but recognise that he has purposes in our weaknesses?

Yep but then what elder has the charactoristics of the qaulificatins of 1 Tim 3? And even the deacons.... TO KEEP THE MYSTERY OF FAITH ON A CLEAN CONSCIENCE.... What deacon can tell me what is the mystery of the faith? Do you know what the mystery of the faith is?

I am not an elder or a deacon, at least not in any formal or recognised sense. But I would simply say that the mystery of the faith is that Christ, God amongst us, died once and for all to reconcile man to God, the righteous for the unrighteous, in accordance with the Scriptures. Are you a deacon, Cobus?

 

[David_1]

What is contradictory about James, for you?

Nothing at all.

That's the problem I see, when the 'Christian' world as a whole acts sometimes completely opposite to it.

 

[Nick01]

Nothing at all.

That's the problem I see, when the 'Christian' world as a whole acts sometimes completely opposite to it.

I'll rephrase, then, cause I'm interested in where your OP is coming from. What are some churches doing that is opposite, in your view?

 

[David_1]

I'll rephrase, then, cause I'm interested in where your OP is coming from. What are some churches doing that is opposite, in your view?

Playing Favourites. Praying for wealth. Many things that are part of the mainstream Christianity now.

 

[JaumeJ]

In part I believe the quote below describes what you are perceiving.



2Ti 3:1
But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come.

2Ti 3:2
For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

2Ti 3:3
without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good,

2Ti 3:4
traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God;

2Ti 3:5
holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power thereof: from these also turn away.

If this has nothing to do with your observations, please ignore my posting. Yahweh bless you always.

Playing Favourites. Praying for wealth. Many things that are part of the mainstream Christianity now.

 

[Cobus]

I am not an elder or a deacon, at least not in any formal or recognised sense. But I would simply say that the mystery of the faith is that Christ, God amongst us, died once and for all to reconcile man to God, the righteous for the unrighteous, in accordance with the Scriptures. Are you a deacon, Cobus?

I used to be a deacon, an was made one by people that have no clue of what God wants.... But that I only discovered when God showed me their hearts...

I read 1 Tim 3 and I saw that I do not have a clean conscience, and that I do not even know what the mystery of the faith was... So when I resigned as deacon, I gave my reason that... I do not have a clean conscience and I do not know what the Mystery of Faith is. So when my ministr came to talk about me leaving the office, he said if that is the reason, all the deacons should resign...I said, if they are serious about their faith they will.... God does not compromise, only we do, and that makes God's righteousness out of our reach.

Anyway, not even the head deacon had an answer for me. Not even he knew what teh mystery of faith is... I asked God, and I got an answer, but not many people like the answer so I do not readely give it. And if we serve the SAME GOD, should the mystery and the answer not be the same.... Same as the thorn in Paul's flesh. If I ask God what it was and He shows or tells me, should He not give you the same answer as He gave me...

It is a BRILLIANT way to find out if we do serve the same God, and to get it proven in the Word is just the ULTIMATE.

My friend, it is really a irony, the more and better I know God the less the churches wants me in them.... Like Romans say about ACCEPTING or have pleasure in people doing sin.... Not only the ones that do them will go to hell but also those that approve or accept or have pleasure in them doing it... I HATE sin, in me first and then in all other places... Thank God!

The mystery of the Faith is A PERFECT PERSON IN CHRIST.... and Paul's thorn was exactly this, that he had to leave a good friend sick.... Just to keep Paul humble....
Remember how Paul's cloak could heal ALL whm they laid the cloth on, even though Paul was in another city... YET Paul asked God three time to heal his friend, and God said NO!!!! Every time Paul remind himself of this sick firend it was as if Satan gave him a shot on the short rib.... And that kept Paul humble and in line with GOD... what AN HONOUR to have such a thorn in the flesh....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I was reading the Book of James last night, and what struck me was how contrary it is, to the values of most modern Christians.

Because I'm not 100% familiar with all the pastoral directions on this, how do Christians nullify books like James and instead do the opposite?

Is there a teaching or Theology that says these books are to be ignored, and instead do the exact opposite?

Has anyone who has studied the book, understand what I mean?

The problem is not that james seems contradictory, The problem is how people interpret james..

James is speaking to a different audience than paul. He says the same thing, just from a different perspective

 

[Kerry]

Usually the conflict most find in James is that on the surface it seems to be in opposition to the writings of Paul.

Where Paul teaches that faith in the cross is the means that allows the Holy Spirit to work in us and produce good fruit or works.

James say's I will show you my faith by my works. But, if you look closely at both. You will find that James is in complete cooperation with Paul. Because, if your faith is properly placed in the cross of Christ the Holy Spirit will produce in you Good works. In other words you cannot say I have faith and you have works. The two are inseparably. Because if are not a doer of the word (Christ) then you are a liar and the truth is not in you. Only people that trust in Christ can do true good works.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Usually the conflict most find in James is that on the surface it seems to be in opposition to the writings of Paul.

Where Paul teaches that faith in the cross is the means that allows the Holy Spirit to work in us and produce good fruit or works.

James say's I will show you my faith by my works. But, if you look closely at both. You will find that James is in complete cooperation with Paul. Because, if your faith is properly placed in the cross of Christ the Holy Spirit will produce in you Good works. In other words you cannot say I have faith and you have works. The two are inseparably. Because if are not a doer of the word (Christ) then you are a liar and the truth is not in you. Only people that trust in Christ can do true good works.

eph 2: 8-10 agrees with this