How Do You Stand on the Word?
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The OP is saying stand on the promises/the Word and using a hymn to propagate what he believes the Scriptures teach.
The hymn had no such objective when written. Wresting of meaning is not only limited to Scripture, even hymns are taken out of context in order to support error.
To the OP it (standing on the Word) means whatever it can be wrested to mean, such as physical healing is the gospel, speaking things into existence is the gospel (which neither he nor anyone else can do or have ever done), subjective divine revelations are the gospel, trips to heaven are the gospel, purely subjective interpretations are the gospel, among other false teachings. But properly exegeted Scripture is not the Gospel to these types.
IOW, sound doctrine is shunned. It would not be considered "standing on the Word".
There has to be context stemming from who said it, as to what is their "gospel" among other things. So these things are the foundation behind the OP, it is done in pretense as if all those who agree with the OP are also somehow buying into the false teachings of WoF, as if that is "standing on the Word."
The hymn had no such objective when written. Wresting of meaning is not only limited to Scripture, even hymns are taken out of context in order to support error.
To the OP it (standing on the Word) means whatever it can be wrested to mean, such as physical healing is the gospel, speaking things into existence is the gospel (which neither he nor anyone else can do or have ever done), subjective divine revelations are the gospel, trips to heaven are the gospel, purely subjective interpretations are the gospel, among other false teachings. But properly exegeted Scripture is not the Gospel to these types.
IOW, sound doctrine is shunned. It would not be considered "standing on the Word".
There has to be context stemming from who said it, as to what is their "gospel" among other things. So these things are the foundation behind the OP, it is done in pretense as if all those who agree with the OP are also somehow buying into the false teachings of WoF, as if that is "standing on the Word."
There are many phrases that we use that is not in the bible. Trinity is one. Is saying Trinity now bordering on "heresy" because it is not in the bible? The bible is NOT God - it is to lead us to the Lord Jesus Christ. The bible is not a means to itself.
The Holy Spirit uses the scriptures to reveal Jesus to us.
The Holy Spirit uses the scriptures to reveal Jesus to us.
Hi Angela,
It might not be that exact phrase that we find in God's word, but the idea is there. I think it's an appropriate question.
~ We are told to stand firm in the faith.
~ Stand firm in God's grace.
~ Stand firm in the full armor of God.
~ Stand firm and hold to the traditions taught (word).
~ Stand firm in the Lord.
~ Stand firm in one Spirit.
It might not be that exact phrase that we find in God's word, but the idea is there. I think it's an appropriate question.
~ We are told to stand firm in the faith.
~ Stand firm in God's grace.
~ Stand firm in the full armor of God.
~ Stand firm and hold to the traditions taught (word).
~ Stand firm in the Lord.
~ Stand firm in one Spirit.
B
Indeed I agree about the many phrases not in the bible, off the top of head here's one (Mars is a real planet created by God)
I don't think this planet is mentioned in scripture or that God created other planets besides earth, though I've been surprised by deeper meanings within the bible, though for now the closet I can get to that would be (He stretched the stars out like a canopy)
I don't think this planet is mentioned in scripture or that God created other planets besides earth, though I've been surprised by deeper meanings within the bible, though for now the closet I can get to that would be (He stretched the stars out like a canopy)
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
John uses the Greek word logos to describe Jesus "in the beginning," or before creation and time began. Logos means word, but specifically it means the spoken word or a statement. Jesus is God's spoken word, according to John.
Heb. 1:1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
Heb. 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Heb. 1:3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power...
Paul reiterates this same thought in Colossians when he says:
Col. 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Col. 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him.
Jesus is the Word because He was the means through which the Father brought all physical reality into existence and because He is the One Who represents the Father's invisible nature and character to that creation. Just as your spoken word is the physical manifestation of your thoughts and personality, Jesus is the "Word" of the invisible God to His creation.
"Finally be strong in the Lord, and in the strength of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil....That ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and, having done all, to stand.Stand therefore, having girded your loins...having put on the breastplate...having shod your feet...taking up the shield...and the helmet....and the sword...praying...and watching. (Ephesians 6:10,11,13-18).
*It means to be in Christ thru the Cross and unto redemption in word and in deed.
John 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
John uses the Greek word logos to describe Jesus "in the beginning," or before creation and time began. Logos means word, but specifically it means the spoken word or a statement. Jesus is God's spoken word, according to John.
Heb. 1:1 God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
Heb. 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Heb. 1:3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power...
Paul reiterates this same thought in Colossians when he says:
Col. 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
Col. 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities — all things have been created through Him and for Him.
Jesus is the Word because He was the means through which the Father brought all physical reality into existence and because He is the One Who represents the Father's invisible nature and character to that creation. Just as your spoken word is the physical manifestation of your thoughts and personality, Jesus is the "Word" of the invisible God to His creation.
"Finally be strong in the Lord, and in the strength of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil....That ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and, having done all, to stand.Stand therefore, having girded your loins...having put on the breastplate...having shod your feet...taking up the shield...and the helmet....and the sword...praying...and watching. (Ephesians 6:10,11,13-18).
*It means to be in Christ thru the Cross and unto redemption in word and in deed.
An example.
GOD Is saying,here It Is,come and get what I say you can have,but you can't see GOD,you have to receive this grace through FAITH.
the devil Is standing there and everytime you start to move towards GOD's WORD,the devil roars and you can see the devil.
Will you trust GOD by faith In HIS WORD or will you put your trust In your ability to perceive with your fleshly senses.
Faith pleases GOD.
GOD Is saying,here It Is,come and get what I say you can have,but you can't see GOD,you have to receive this grace through FAITH.
the devil Is standing there and everytime you start to move towards GOD's WORD,the devil roars and you can see the devil.
Will you trust GOD by faith In HIS WORD or will you put your trust In your ability to perceive with your fleshly senses.
Faith pleases GOD.
i agree we should always believe the Bible, but its very important to believe Jesus first. Let me try to show an example of why
leviticus 20:9-10 "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."
this is written in the Bible very clearly even this principle
deuteronomy 17:7 "The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil away from among you."
deuteronomy 19:21 "And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot."
so if the wrong "pastor" gets ahold of scriptures like this, and teaches them to people who dont know the gospel thats how dangerous cults Get started, and they are all written in the bible, along with many more like them. but if we first Go to the 4 gopels we find the opposite principles
luke 6:37-38 "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again."
john 8:3-5 "And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?".
john 8:7-11"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."
immediately after this Jesus says
john 8:31-32 "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I AM THE LIGHT of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. 13The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true."
He also said many things like this for the people to understand who He was
john 8... 23And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 25Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. 26I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. 27They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
28Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and thatI do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. 29And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. 30As he spake these words, many believed on him.
He says " One greater than solomon, one greater than jonah, one greater than moses is here..... He said all who came before me were theives and robbers. he says so much like this
John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
there is no other person that says these kinds of things about His words, His sayings, teachings, commands. Jesus is the Light of Gods Word that gives understanding for all of scripture. matthew , mark, Luke and John are the foundation on which truth stands immovable. The bible was all set forth and spoken of God, Jesus is the eternal Word
matthew 24:35 "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
john 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
leviticus 20:9-10 "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."
this is written in the Bible very clearly even this principle
deuteronomy 17:7 "The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil away from among you."
deuteronomy 19:21 "And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot."
so if the wrong "pastor" gets ahold of scriptures like this, and teaches them to people who dont know the gospel thats how dangerous cults Get started, and they are all written in the bible, along with many more like them. but if we first Go to the 4 gopels we find the opposite principles
luke 6:37-38 "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again."
john 8:3-5 "And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?".
john 8:7-11"So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."
immediately after this Jesus says
john 8:31-32 "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I AM THE LIGHT of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. 13The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true."
He also said many things like this for the people to understand who He was
john 8... 23And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 25Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. 26I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. 27They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
28Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and thatI do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. 29And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. 30As he spake these words, many believed on him.
He says " One greater than solomon, one greater than jonah, one greater than moses is here..... He said all who came before me were theives and robbers. he says so much like this
John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."
there is no other person that says these kinds of things about His words, His sayings, teachings, commands. Jesus is the Light of Gods Word that gives understanding for all of scripture. matthew , mark, Luke and John are the foundation on which truth stands immovable. The bible was all set forth and spoken of God, Jesus is the eternal Word
matthew 24:35 "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
john 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
Yes...the scriptures speak of Jesus as He is the Word of God within the scriptures. There is a difference.
John 5:39-40 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
[SUP]40 [/SUP] and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
John 5:39-40 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
[SUP]40 [/SUP] and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
