How Jews Mock Christ

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Most Israelite's today are atheist and have no need of God. But, that's about to change.
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You're right Kerry. It is about to change.

Keep your eyes on Israel. This tiny nation but a speck on the globe is always in the national news. Why? Because God has a plan for her. A plan that will bring back the very One that we as Christians long for. The return of Jesus Christ where He will stand on the Mount of Olives. In the land of Israel. And He will show the people of Israel "whom they have pierced" (Zechariah 12:10) that He is the Messiah!
 
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Here we have Jesus, Himself, proclaiming to the unbelieving Jews, in no uncertain terms, that they are from the Devil.

Jews who do not acknowledge Jesus as The Truth are doing the Devil’s work – they are following the Devil’s desires (epithumias), of which, he has been a murderer of man (anthrōpoktonos) from the very beginning.

Jesus had already rightly labeled Jews as murderers and liars long before they killed Him.
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There is nothing in this scripture that addresses it to all unbelieving Jews, It is addressing one denomination that was made up of Jews, called the Pharisees. If you will study the book of Romans, Paul explains how we are to look at the Jewish race.
 
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There is nothing in this scripture that addresses it to all unbelieving Jews, It is addressing one denomination that was made up of Jews, called the Pharisees. If you will study the book of Romans, Paul explains how we are to look at the Jewish race.
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I already showed you a first-person, direct quote from God, Himself.

What else do you need...?
 
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Bowman said:
I already showed you a first-person, direct quote from God, Himself.

What else do you need...?
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Who Christ was addressing this to. You say all Jews. Prove it!!! Read scripture. It was to Pharisees, one denomination of Jews. How would you like to be labeled by your nationality when someone spoke of the church you belief in so all people of your nationality is condemned because of one denomination of a church being condemned?
 
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RedTent said:
Who Christ was addressing this to. You say all Jews. Prove it!!! Read scripture. It was to Pharisees, one denomination of Jews. How would you like to be labeled by your nationality when someone spoke of the church you belief in so all people of your nationality is condemned because of one denomination of a church being condemned?
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John 8 mentions both scribes and Pharisees.

But, clearly, it applies to ALL unbelieving Jews regardless of sect, as thus...


Obstinate and uncircumcised in heart and the ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit as the fathers of you, and you. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? And they killed those who foretold concerning the coming of the Righteous One of whom now you have become betrayers and murderers. Who received the law by ordained messengers and did not keep. (Act 7.51- 53)







Here we have Stephen addressing the Jewish Council, and telling them straight-out, as guided by the Holy Spirit, that their forefathers persecuted and killed (apekteinan) the prophets that foretold of Jesus’ coming.

Now that Jesus has come, the Jews, keeping in lock-step with their forefathers, become murderers (phonies) themselves by killing Jesus, fulfilling Satan’s desires.

Observe that the Jews are bestowed with full credit for murdering Jesus Christ.

Immediately after Stephen delivers his address to the Jewish Council, they prove him correct by murdering him in cold blood.Demonstrating that Jesus was right all along; the Jews are nothing but liars, murderers, followers of Satan.
 
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Bowman said:
Jews follow their father, the devil.
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It is always sad to see hateful propaganda from fellow Christians.

Two thousand years ago, some Jews (Pharisees) sinned against the Lord. However, as it is written: the child will not share the guilt of the parent… The one who sins is the one who will die. (Ezekiel 18, 20)

There is no difference between Jews and us, for we all have sinned and needs the mercy of God.
 
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It is always sad to see hateful propaganda from fellow Christians.
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Straight from scripture.



Two thousand years ago, some Jews (Pharisees) sinned against the Lord. However, as it is written: the child will not share the guilt of the parent… The one who sins is the one who will die. (Ezekiel 18, 20)
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'Some Jews'...?

Now would be a good time for you to review the OT....as it has literally THOUSANDS of verses showing just how Jews sinned against God.




There is no difference between Jews and us, for we all have sinned and needs the mercy of God.
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The difference is that Jews STILL reject God.
 
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Bowman said:
...the Jews are nothing but liars, murderers, followers of Satan.
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Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer.

Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar.

Does that means you belong to the Devil who was a murderer from the beginning and the father of lies.


In Christ the only Lord
 
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Pss 139 [21] Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
[22] I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
 
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stephen blamed the jews of his time for murdering jesus...that generation is dead and gone...and there is nothing to suggest that stephen meant to include jews who weren't even born yet as being responsible for the murder of jesus...
 
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twotwo said:
Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer.

Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar.

Does that means you belong to the Devil who was a murderer from the beginning and the father of lies.


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The "God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob," "the God of our fathers," glorified the Son of Him, Jesus,whom you delivered up, and denied Him in the presence of Pilate, that one having decided to set Him free. But you denied the Holy and Just One, and asked for a man, a murderer, to be granted to you. And the Originator of Life you killed, whom God raised up from the dead, of which we are witnesses. (Act 3.13 -15)


Here we have Peter declaring to the Jews that they rejected and killed (apekteinate) Jesus.

Following the example of their father, the Devil, the Jews chose the release of a murderer over that of Jesus Christ (the very originator of Life) – further proving that Jews prefer death over life.
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
stephen blamed the jews of his time for murdering jesus...that generation is dead and gone...and there is nothing to suggest that stephen meant to include jews who weren't even born yet as being responsible for the murder of jesus...
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Wrong.

Read it again...

Obstinate and uncircumcised in heart and the ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit as the fathers of you, and you. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? And they killed those who foretold concerning the coming of the Righteous One of whom now you have become betrayers and murderers. Who received the law by ordained messengers and did not keep. (Act 7.51- 53)

Stephen was filled with The Holy Spirit - thus it was NOT Stephen's opinion...rather it was God's statement.

Further, the reader is informed that Jews have ALWAYS been murderers of the prophets of long ago.



 
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Bowman said:
Wrong.

Read it again...

Obstinate and uncircumcised in heart and the ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit as the fathers of you, and you. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? And they killed those who foretold concerning the coming of the Righteous One of whom now you have become betrayers and murderers. Who received the law by ordained messengers and did not keep. (Act 7.51- 53)

Stephen was filled with The Holy Spirit - thus it was NOT Stephen's opinion...rather it was God's statement.

Further, the reader is informed that Jews have ALWAYS been murderers of the prophets of long ago.
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nowhere does that say that people who are not yet born are responsible for acts they didn't commit...

'racial guilt' is only valid in the mind of racists...not in scripture...

besides...stephen himself was a jew...was he a 'murderer of the prophets of long ago' too? your position is just plain irrational...
 
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RachelBibleStudent said:
nowhere does that say that people who are not yet born are responsible for acts they didn't commit...
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He who has the Son has eternal life.

He who does not have the Son, does not have eternal life.

Jews deny The Son, therefore they do not have eternal life, and crucify Him all over again when they deny Him as The Truth.





'racial guilt' is only valid in the mind of racists...not in scripture...
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Who mentioned that...besides you...?






besides...stephen himself was a jew...was he a 'murderer of the prophets of long ago' too? your position is just plain irrational...
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In what way was Stephen a Jew?

In His theology?

Nope...you don't murder someone who agrees with you...
 
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What will you say Bowman when God restores the natural branches? Rom 11

For if *thou* hast been cut out of the olive tree wild by nature, and, contrary to nature, hast been grafted into the good olive tree, how much rather shall they, who are according to nature be grafted into their own olive tree? For I do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, of this mystery, that ye may not be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the nations be come in;
(Rom 11:24-25)
 
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All are born of fornication.

RachelBibleStudent said:
nowhere does that say that people who are not yet born are responsible for acts they didn't commit...

'racial guilt' is only valid in the mind of racists...not in scripture...

besides...stephen himself was a jew...was he a 'murderer of the prophets of long ago' too? your position is just plain irrational...
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What will you say Bowman when God restores the natural branches? Rom 11

For if *thou* hast been cut out of the olive tree wild by nature, and, contrary to nature, hast been grafted into the good olive tree, how much rather shall they, who are according to nature be grafted into their own olive tree? For I do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, of this mystery, that ye may not be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the nations be come in;
(Rom 11:24-25)
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If it wasn't for the error of the natural branches in the first place, you and I would not have had an opportunity to be grafted in.

I take my hat off to the Jews for improperly worshipping God!

As the OT tells us, time and again, only a remnant of the Jews were allowed to move forward, and the rest were utterly destroyed by Yahweh. Interesting that modern-day Jews are hung-up on the holocaust -when, in fact, the same thing had been happening to their people for thousands of years prior!

So...what was it about the remnant of the Jews that was acceptable to Yahweh? Why did He let a few move forward and destroy the rest?

The Jews that were allowed to move forward accepted Yahweh as Triune.

Why did some Jews know IMMEDIATELY that Jesus was God while others did not?

The natural branches that have The Son are now called Christians...





 
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Bowman said:
He who has the Son has eternal life.

He who does not have the Son, does not have eternal life.

Jews deny The Son, therefore they do not have eternal life, and crucify Him all over again when they deny Him as The Truth.







Who mentioned that...besides you...?








In what way was Stephen a Jew?

In His theology?

Nope...you don't murder someone who agrees with you...
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gentile unbelievers also deny the son...so why single out only jews for this extreme criticism?

you were arguing that jews who were not even born in jesus' time are guilty of the murder of jesus...simply because -other jews- once were guilty of his death...that is an obvious attempt at arguing 'racial guilt'

stephen was a jew because he called the jews of the sanhedrin 'brethren'...so clearly he did not hold all jews guilty of the death of jesus...otherwise he himself would be guilty...he only accused those jews who carried out or approved the murder of jesus...
 
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It is getting so that CC is only a forum for expressing judgments of people and anything that is not of love, not of learning about God.
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I was wondering the same thing,why slander the jews?

where they not given the oracles of God?

and we are told to learn from them.

the closer it gets , the more wrong will be right.
 
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