How many commandments should we christians obey?

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Okay you've already made it clear you don't trust the Bible as God's Word. And you refuse to believe Jesus is God when Jesus clearly taught it. You are right when you say God is the judge. Jesus is the judge He also makes that clear in Scripture.
I never said those things. I believe what Jesus says. You can claim He said them, but it's anything but clear, and that's the problem. Yeshua simplified complex lessons through parables, but that was part of His larger personality as a "straight shooter."

I would suggest you look through Matthew 16. You can try to bait me on Paul all you want. I'm not a follower of Paul, and as far as I know, you would call yourself a follower of Messiah or Christ as opposed to Paul, right? So let's see what the Man Himself had to say on the matter.

13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?" 14They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
15"But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"
16Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ,[b] the Son of the living God."



(Note- Now, if Peter's answer is wrong, this will be the perfect chance, for Messiah to reveal Himself, by correcting His disciple. That's not what He does)



17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter,[c] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[d] will not overcome it.[e] 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[f] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[g] loosed in heaven." 20Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.

Whoa! Messiah was SO pleased with this answer, that He changed Shimon's name to Kefa, which means Rock. And upon this Rock I will build my church. But before it looks like Catholic teachings, no, no, before you know it, if you read on, He tells Peter "get thee behind Me, Satan!"

Nonetheless, this is about as glowing a recommendation as any apostle could hope to get, isn't it ? And all because of the way Peter answered His question, "Who do YOU say I am?"
 
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#42
Okay and when Thomas was worshiping Jesus and said My Lord and my God?.. That would have been the perfect time for Jesus to correct him? But He let Thomas worship Him remember back in Luke when Satan told Jesus to bow down to him? Jesus said you shall only worship the Lord your God.... and said to Thomas you see me and you believe but BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO DO NOT SEE ME AND BELIEVE.... Wait believe what? Alls Thomas did was say "My Lord and my God".. I mean I don't think you are clearly understanding who Jesus is here. He has two natures MAN (the one you love to talk about.. And God. (the one you ignore)..
 
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Theos is an adjective, as well as a noun. It's a convenient translation for triniarianism, but taking it back to the Greek (prior to 500 AD anyway), "My divine lord!" or "My lord is divine" seems about as accurate. These earlier translations do not use the more definitive hatheos, which would clearly refer to THE G-d.
 
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All of them, not some of them, but ALL of them. Can't remember exact scripture, but the bible says we must obey all commandments to enter the kingdom of heaven.
 
Sep 25, 2009
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Yeah man great idea!! Let's all obey all of the 613 commandments written in the OT just like Jesus did!!

I'm pretty sure Paul was an EXPERT on grace.
Wow, really?

"Let's do what Jesus did!"

And then in the next line - "Paul was an expert on grace, and he disagrees."

Classic example of choosing him over Yeshua.
 
Sep 2, 2009
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There are only Ten Commandments that were ever given to mankind to follow despite the 613 or so commandments that exist. And that is to say this, the bible is not a complete set of things ever said. "And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen." John 21:25

We do not know all the commandments, commands, statements, or other thing said by Jesus or God to know what all may be interpreted as a commandment.

The most important over looked thing is this when it comes to any commandment; "The law and the prophets were until John[the baptist]." Luke 16:16

Well, that tells me we are under No Law, No Commandment, No statement, nothing. The reason being is multiple; Adam and Eve were under no law but only one commandment. Then came the Ten Commandments until John.

Now is the time of salvation through the [law of God] described by Paul but has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments. The law of God is to believe in Jesus, one commandment.

Let's consider this, break that one commandment and see how far you get, break all the others and see if it means anything to you. The answer is "one."
 
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Woohoo! You hear that, guys? Let's all go smoke crack and have sex with hookers! We don't even need to repent on Sunday, because there are no Holy Laws that apply to us!

< /sarcasm >
 
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""If you were blind, you would have no sin; but now you say, 'We see.' Therefore your sin remains." John 9:41

If you see sin then you must be sinning. How is that, do you know? I do. Can you live without sin? Yes, but how? What then is sin, do you know? I do.

Sin is not what is being taught. enjoy.
 
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Since even the apostle Peter wrote that Paul`s letters were being twisted to promote sin; it should not surprise us to see that happen again nowadays:
2 Peter 3
15Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of LAWLESS men and fall from your secure position.
 
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Certainly we should not be too dogmatic about things that are not clearly stated in the Bible such as interpretations on the rapture, the revelation book or the trinity toctrine. However we should not let those interpretations divide us if we really believe in Christ`s sacrifice for our sins. But we should be quite stedfast on the clear teachings of our Lord about the importance of obeying God`s moral commandments beause without holiness no one will see the Lord:
Matthew 19
16Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."
 
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Since even the apostle Peter wrote that Paul`s letters were being twisted to promote sin; it should not surprise us to see that happen again nowadays:
2 Peter 3
15Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of LAWLESS men and fall from your secure position.
Amen brother sword.
 
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"Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God." 1st John 3:9

If a man of God does not sin, then why do people say breaking the commandments are sin if one cannot sin? Do we dare to call John a liar? Or do we seek to understand what he meant and what Jesus meant?

Sin is not what has been taught. You see sin because you yourself are yet sinning. What then, is sin?
 
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Jesus always spoke the truth.
 
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True christians obey Gods ten commandments. All ten of them.The one that says you must keep holy the sabbath day too.Thats the biggest problem that christiaans today ,have with the ten commandments.If only it said keep holy the sunday ,then we wouldnt be having this conversation.
 

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"Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God." 1st John 3:9

If a man of God does not sin, then why do people say breaking the commandments are sin if one cannot sin? Do we dare to call John a liar? Or do we seek to understand what he meant and what Jesus meant?

Sin is not what has been taught. You see sin because you yourself are yet sinning. What then, is sin?
Problem with your assumption is that Yeshua never broke an instruction.
 
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Even though we christians sin sometimes because of our human weakness we are not sinners anymore because Jesus has set us free from the slavery (addiction) of sin. In Christ disobedience is temporary, without him it`s a pathetic habit:
Hebrews 10
26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
 
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Problem with your assumption is that Yeshua never broke an instruction.
Jesus broke the commandments when he was here, he worked on the sabbath. That is one reason why they hated him. He also gathered food on the sabbath.

I was not asking questions, I was presenting them to see if anyone had an answer besides me. I already know the answer.

There is a reason Jesus said to "go and sin no more," but I don't know of anyone who knows what it means besides me.

Sin is not what has been taught, Jesus explained it. Sin has nothing to do with the commandments. What then is sin?
 
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Jesus broke the commandments when he was here, he worked on the sabbath. That is one reason why they hated him. He also gathered food on the sabbath.

I was not asking questions, I was presenting them to see if anyone had an answer besides me. I already know the answer.

There is a reason Jesus said to "go and sin no more," but I don't know of anyone who knows what it means besides me.

Sin is not what has been taught, Jesus explained it. Sin has nothing to do with the commandments. What then is sin?

Jesus showed it is not wrong to do good on the sabbath.Back then they made the sabbath into a burden and it was to be a blessing.What you think sin is is really not important.The bible says it is transgresion of the law
 
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According to some "experts" on grace we should obey only one or two; some even say we should obey none; However, what did Jesus our Lord say?

Matthew 5:19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Certainly he meant the more we obey the better.

I believe He meant ALL of them. As Christians, we are to obey all of the commandments.
 
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