how many gospels are there in the bible?

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maybe you didn't refute it yourself bc you have not yet done some studies concerning these statements, otherwise you wouldn't be looking for someone else to refute them for you! yet you are quick to pass a negative judgement on them statements. how can you justify the fact that i am wrong and you are right when you haven't even attempt to proof me wrong? pls don't make any negative comment if you cannot disprove me. A wise man once said," what people don't understand, they condemn". bless
No seriously. I've been a Christian since you were one. Studied the Bible often, and your concept of what it is wrong enough that here's just nothing solid to start with to go off and see where you disconnect to the absurd. Usually I can grasp one small speck of truth to bring the nontruth back to reality, but your claims are so far from truth, I'm not kidding. Might as well try and refute a pet dinosaur. At least there is just enough reality in that assumption it can be refuted. Yours lacks 100% reality. Nothing to grasp on to.

I'm not condemning it. There is plenty of fiction I don't like, but that doesn't mean it's worth condemning. It's fiction. An assumption that it has no place in reality.

You're into wise sayings? Then here's one that fits.
If someone calls you a duck, ignore it.
If two people call you a duck, think about it.
If three, start quacking and paddle in the water.

On this forum, no one can agree on anything, and yet 15 people have called you a duck. Your problem. Not ours.
 
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Well, there are four accounts telling of the gospel- Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The bible is the gospel, but at it's most specific definition, it is the good news of how Christ's death, burial, and resurrection save us when we do the same in baptism. We die to self, bury our old sinful self in the watery grave of baptism, and are raised a new creature in Christ. If we join Him like this in His death, then we will also join him in His resurrection. (Romans 6).
 

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Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Peter and Paul have the same message of the Gospel of the grace of God. Yet I believe, there was a kingdom gospel preached by Christ and also the "everlasting" gospel preached by angels" in the book of Revelation and the 4 gospels of the Nt. and so forth. The good thing is the Good News of salvation is for all to those who received it.

God bless!
 

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There are four accounts of the Gospel written too different people or written for different reasons but, there is only one Gospel. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the four accounts of the gospel. One written to the Jews. One written to the gentiles. One written to show that Jesus was the true rightful "King of the Jews" through the line of David. One written to show the divinity of Jesus. Four accounts but only one Gospel.

Jesus died for our sins, was ressurected on the third day and thru faith in Him we can have eternal life. The Gospel in a nutshell but the only true Gospel. Faith in God was always the way to eternal life in both the Old ane New Testament. Abraham was justified thru his faith and we can also be justified thru our faith.
 
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"With flames of fire (hell) God will take vengeance on those who know not God, and who OBEY NOT the gospel of His Son."
 

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If some dude comes to you talking about another gospel that is different than the Gospel we laid on you..........show that dued to the door, because he is a liar and don't speak for God...

(well, not exactly word for word.......but you get the point, right? )
 

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I think i should elaborate on this a little so that the thread can be understood more clearly so as to enable people to chip in their contributions..
Yes there is only ONE gospel, which is that of our SALVATION. However, Paul and peter did not preached the same gospel; even Jesus during his earthly ministry preached the gospel of the kingdom of God. For instance Jesus came announcing the gospel of the kingdom of God and this gospel doesn't address salvation. Rather it speaks of the arrival of God to reposes the claim he had, to assert his authority over the fallen cosmos. That is why he healed the sick, raised the dead and cast our demons(Lk 11:20). if Jesus was preaching the gospel of the kingdom during his earthly ministry and didn't mention the aspects of salvation( his death burial resurrection etc), implies that the gospel of the kingdom of God is not the gospel of our salvation.That is why one cannot use the gospel of the kingdom of God to introduce someone to salvation.
There is equally the different between the gospel Paul preached and that preached by peter. peter preached preached the gospel of circumcision(Gal2:7); in other words, the fulfillment of prophecy, the fulfillment of scriptures,(Acts chapter 2) while Paul preach gospel of our salvation revealed to him by the ascended Lord Jesus; that is, the gospel of the revelation of the mystery( Rom 16:25, Eph 6:19)
However these gospels do not conflict one another; they are just messages in sequence. They are addressed to different groups and there is an interim taking place.
Pls feel free to add something to these statements, or you can even refute it. i am ok with that. i am out to learn. blessed.
I figured it was a trap... all along, and that you were into that dual Gospel mess dreamed up by men (like C.R. Stam, et al).

Apostle Paul taught the SAME Gospel of Jesus Christ that Christ and His Apostles did!

The difference between Paul and Peter on The Gospel teaching those like C.R. Stam with miniature brains created a false doctrine about is in reality about TWO DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIONS OF THE SAME GOSPEL.

Paul was primarily sent to preach The Gospel to the Gentiles.

Peter was primarily sent to preach The Gospel to Jews of the diaspora.

Same Gospel, same Jesus Christ, same Plan of Salvation for both, AS ONE BODY IN CHRIST JESUS.
 
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I figured it was a trap... all along, and that you were into that dual Gospel mess dreamed up by men (like C.R. Stam, et al).

Apostle Paul taught the SAME Gospel of Jesus Christ that Christ and His Apostles did!

The difference between Paul and Peter on The Gospel teaching those like C.R. Stam with miniature brains created a false doctrine about is in reality about TWO DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIONS OF THE SAME GOSPEL.

Paul was primarily sent to preach The Gospel to the Gentiles.

Peter was primarily sent to preach The Gospel to Jews of the diaspora.

Same Gospel, same Jesus Christ, same Plan of Salvation for both, AS ONE BODY IN CHRIST JESUS.
It wasn't a trap pls lol. Take note that i said, there were different gospels preached in sequence, to come to one Gospel which is the gospel of our salvation. i pointed out the different gospel messages bc many tend to use them all as one gospel for salvation. for instance you cannot use the gospel of the kingdom of God that the Lord Jesus preached during His earthly ministry, to introduce someone to Salvation. why? Bc for one to be saved, he must believed in his heart and confess with his mouth that God RAISED Jesus Christ from the death(Rom 10:9). Therefore the gospel of the kingdom of God that Christ preached is not the gospel of our salvation bc He had not yet gone to the cross. In fact Jesus Christ during His early ministry,was a minister of the circumcision (Rom 15:8), to confirm the promised of the messiah made to Israel.
 
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Where did you get the idea that Jesus did not preach the gospel of salvation? What church are you in?



  • I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger. — John 6:35
  • I am the light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life. — John 8:12
  • I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved. — John 10:9
  • I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. — John 10:11
  • I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me, will live even though he dies.
John 11:25
  • I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. — John 14:6
 
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Any time Jesus speaks of reconciling men to God, forgiveness, being set free, being made new, etc, He is speaking of salvation.

That is the gospel and there is only one.




It wasn't a trap pls lol. Take note that i said, there were different gospels preached in sequence, to come to one Gospel which is the gospel of our salvation. i pointed out the different gospel messages bc many tend to use them all as one gospel for salvation. for instance you cannot use the gospel of the kingdom of God that the Lord Jesus preached during His earthly ministry, to introduce someone to Salvation. why? Bc for one to be saved, he must believed in his heart and confess with his mouth that God RAISED Jesus Christ from the death(Rom 10:9). Therefore the gospel of the kingdom of God that Christ preached is not the gospel of our salvation bc He had not yet gone to the cross. In fact Jesus Christ during His early ministry,was a minister of the circumcision (Rom 15:8), to confirm the promised of the messiah made to Israel.
 
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I figured it was a trap... all along, and that you were into that dual Gospel mess dreamed up by men (like C.R. Stam, et al).

Apostle Paul taught the SAME Gospel of Jesus Christ that Christ and His Apostles did!

The difference between Paul and Peter on The Gospel teaching those like C.R. Stam with miniature brains created a false doctrine about is in reality about TWO DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIONS OF THE SAME GOSPEL.

Paul was primarily sent to preach The Gospel to the Gentiles.

Peter was primarily sent to preach The Gospel to Jews of the diaspora.

Same Gospel, same Jesus Christ, same Plan of Salvation for both, AS ONE BODY IN CHRIST JESUS.
when i said Paul and Peter preach different gospels, what i meant by that is that, they did preach the gospel of Christ but with different perspectives! Remember i did point out that these gospels are not in conflict with each other. there are so many passages to support my point but i will just take one example. take a look at the sermon of peter in (Act 2:23). He blamed the Jews for crucifying Jesus,(....Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken and by WICKED hands have CRUCIFIED and SLAIN". whereas Paul calls the crucifixion a mystery; the plan of God, hidden in all ages "but we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ORDAINED before the world unto our glory, which none of the princes of this world knew; for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory (1 Cor 2:7-8).
Peter says the Jews crucified Jesus, Paul says the Crucifixion was God's plan (mystery) hidden from ages past. now can we say they are saying the same thing? Its up to you to judge. God expects us to be able to rightly divide the word of God.....(2 Tim 2:15).
 
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Are you thinking that they should have all used the exact same words?

I am more impressed by how God uses individuals and their knowledge and experiences to bring the same truth.



when i said Paul and Peter preach different gospels, what i meant by that is that, they did preach the gospel of Christ but with different perspectives! Remember i did point out that these gospels are not in conflict with each other. there are so many passages to support my point but i will just take one example. take a look at the sermon of peter in (Act 2:23). He blamed the Jews for crucifying Jesus,(....Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken and by WICKED hands have CRUCIFIED and SLAIN". whereas Paul calls the crucifixion a mystery; the plan of God, hidden in all ages "but we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ORDAINED before the world unto our glory, which none of the princes of this world knew; for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory (1 Cor 2:7-8).
Peter says the Jews crucified Jesus, Paul says the Crucifixion was God's plan (mystery) hidden from ages past. now can we say they are saying the same thing? Its up to you to judge. God expects us to be able to rightly divide the word of God.....(2 Tim 2:15).
 
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Our ONE gospel and doctrine are found in the 66 books of the Holy Scriptures.

Paul preached the same Gospel as the Apostles and Jesus Christ.

The OT even spoke toward the salvation in Christ Jesus as the mystery revealed in the NT is that the Gentiles shall be grafted into the Vine. Even the OT spoke of God bringing in the Gentiles!
 

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how can you justify the fact that i am wrong and you are right when you haven't even attempt to proof me wrong? pls don't make any negative comment if you cannot disprove me.
The believer can only justify what they believe is wrong with the same method they justify what they believe is true, simply by their belief.

Paul did not learn the gospel from men, but directly from God.
So did Paul actually see and hear the LORD as claimed by Barnabas?

And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. Acts 9:7
And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. Acts 9:8
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So weren't the disciples sent out by twos?

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26 And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple.
27 But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.


Since Paul claimed he was a free born Roman, (ex duobus civibus Romanis natos) a free born Roman was born to both a free born Roman father and free born Roman mother? Acts: 22:28

Acts 22:25-28
25 And as they bound him with thongs, Paul said unto the centurion that stood by, Is it lawful for you to scourge a man that is a Roman, and uncondemned?26 When the centurion heard that, he went and told the chief captain, saying, Take heed what thou doest: for this man is a Roman.
27 Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea.
28 And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom. And Paul said, But I was free born.

Yet Paul also claimed to be a Jew, the son of a Pharisees. However Jewish heritage is passed through the mother, so was women allowed to be Pharisees?

Acts 23:1-6
1 And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day.
2 And the high priest Ananias commanded them that stood by him to smite him on the mouth.
3 Then said Paul unto him, God shall smite thee, thou whited wall: for sittest thou to judge me after the law, and commandest me to be smitten contrary to the law?
4 And they that stood by said, Revilest thou God's high priest?
5 Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.
6 But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question.
 
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It wasn't a trap pls lol. Take note that i said, there were different gospels preached in sequence, to come to one Gospel which is the gospel of our salvation. i pointed out the different gospel messages bc many tend to use them all as one gospel for salvation. for instance you cannot use the gospel of the kingdom of God that the Lord Jesus preached during His earthly ministry, to introduce someone to Salvation. why? Bc for one to be saved, he must believed in his heart and confess with his mouth that God RAISED Jesus Christ from the death(Rom 10:9). Therefore the gospel of the kingdom of God that Christ preached is not the gospel of our salvation bc He had not yet gone to the cross. In fact Jesus Christ during His early ministry,was a minister of the circumcision (Rom 15:8), to confirm the promised of the messiah made to Israel.
Sorry, you're not fooling me. The 'Gospel of the kingdom' is the same as the Gospel of Jesus Christ unto our Salvation. The word 'kingdom' comes from 2 words, 'king' and 'dominion'. You don't have a kingdom without its King and vice versa.
 
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It wasn't a trap pls lol. Take note that i said, there were different gospels preached in sequence, to come to one Gospel which is the gospel of our salvation.
Hey heavenly_bound,

I sortof agree with your statement above but I think I would tweak it a little bit. Instead of saying that there were "different gospels.....to come to one Gospel"....I think we could say that there are different focus points of the one Gospel....but only one Gospel.

i pointed out the different gospel messages bc many tend to use them all as one gospel for salvation.
It looks to me like there is one Gospel message....with different parts to it.

for instance you cannot use the gospel of the kingdom of God that the Lord Jesus preached during His earthly ministry, to introduce someone to Salvation.
First of all, the idea that the "gospel of the kingdom of God" is something different from what the Apostles taught is a theory.

Second, Jesus' main message is that of salvation. I showed that in some scriptures in an earlier post. So of course we can introduce someone to Salvation through the words that Jesus preached. I don't see why we couldn't.

Here's what Jesus said to Zacchaeus after he showed repentance (by repaying anyone he defrauded) and faith: "And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost."

why? Bc for one to be saved, he must believed in his heart and confess with his mouth that God RAISED Jesus Christ from the death(Rom 10:9).
Agreed. But this isn't a different Gospel, it is a different aspect of the Gospel.

Therefore the gospel of the kingdom of God that Christ preached is not the gospel of our salvation bc He had not yet gone to the cross.
Ok. I think when we read about the Gospel in the bible there are about nine different ways of referring to it.

But they explain one of three ideas about the Gospel.

They explain either:

1. The origin or cause of the Gospel
2. The subject or content of the Gospel
3. The effects or consequences of the Gospel

Depending on what verses we actually look at (I think that there are about 100 verses that refer to the Gospel), the verses may be speaking of any of the three parts mentioned above.

Some passages, such as some of Jesus' words that speak of the "gospel of the kingdom", refer to the subject/content of the Gospel. And that subject is the King. To the Jews they would think "Ooh, Messiah" (or King). So some of what Jesus spoke of refers to that part of the Gospel. But it isn't a different Gospel. It is just a focus on that part of the Gospel message. And that focus is that He is the King.

In Romans 10:9 which you mentioned above, Paul is referring to both the subject/content AND to the effects/consequences of the Gospel. Basically, he is saying this is the effects/consequences of believing in the subject of the Gospel. In other words, this is what happens if you believe the content.

Those are not two different gospels. They are two aspects of the same Gospel.

In fact Jesus Christ during His early ministry,was a minister of the circumcision (Rom 15:8), to confirm the promised of the messiah made to Israel.
Jesus didn't minister exclusively to the Jews. This passage is just saying that He primarily did so...but He didn't do that exclusively.

But that makes sense. The "good news" is that the King has come. The Anointed One of Israel. The Messiah. He could not have taken that to the Gentiles first or primarily or not one single Jewish person would have believed He was who He said He was. In that sense, He had to preach primarily to the Jews. Then, not only do the Jews have an opportunity to believe in Him...but later the Gentiles could as well.

Peace.
 

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When GOD was to establish HIS New Covenant in Jer 31:34 HE said They shall teach no more every man... saying know the LORD for they all shall know me from the least of them to the greatest of them. What confuses us is that we all listen to our religion, to our church, to our pastors and teachers but failed to listen to HIM and somehow there HE is trying to teach us HIS words. From what I understand it all started when GOD created man. He created man in HIS own image and HE gave him dominion to subdue the earth. Why did GOD do it? HE wanted to replace Satan and his host of demons from ruling and reigning on earth with man. This was HIS redemption plan of redeeming the world. And the devil is opposed to GOD seeking to frustrate and overthrow the purpose of GOD's plan. Hence, the temptation of Adam and Eve, making the Israelites failed their Covenant with GOD and tried to tempt the LORD JESUS. The LORD JESUS offered HIMSELF as propitiatory sacrifice to appease the ALMIGHTY FATHER GOD and bring back the redemption plan of the ALMIGHTY FATHER of replacing the devil and his hosts with man to rule and reign the world, hence, The LORD talking of the Kingdom. This is salvation as far as I understand. Peter and Paul and other apostles might be/can be talking about sin because sin cut us off from HIS saving power. All this points to the Kingdom and the will of GOD - YOUR Kingdom come, YOUR will be done here on earth as its in Heaven.
 
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when i said Paul and Peter preach different gospels, what i meant by that is that, they did preach the gospel of Christ but with different perspectives! Remember i did point out that these gospels are not in conflict with each other. there are so many passages to support my point but i will just take one example. take a look at the sermon of peter in (Act 2:23). He blamed the Jews for crucifying Jesus,(....Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken and by WICKED hands have CRUCIFIED and SLAIN". whereas Paul calls the crucifixion a mystery; the plan of God, hidden in all ages "but we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ORDAINED before the world unto our glory, which none of the princes of this world knew; for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory (1 Cor 2:7-8).
Peter says the Jews crucified Jesus, Paul says the Crucifixion was God's plan (mystery) hidden from ages past. now can we say they are saying the same thing? Its up to you to judge. God expects us to be able to rightly divide the word of God.....(2 Tim 2:15).
Of course they have different perpectives. Ask four People at a cafe what happened the last 30 minutes ,
they will not use the same Words, and they might not even mention any of the same tings
 
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Hey heavenly_bound,

I sortof agree with your statement above but I think I would tweak it a little bit. Instead of saying that there were "different gospels.....to come to one Gospel"....I think we could say that there are different focus points of the one Gospel....but only one Gospel.



It looks to me like there is one Gospel message....with different parts to it.



First of all, the idea that the "gospel of the kingdom of God" is something different from what the Apostles taught is a theory.

Second, Jesus' main message is that of salvation. I showed that in some scriptures in an earlier post. So of course we can introduce someone to Salvation through the words that Jesus preached. I don't see why we couldn't.

Here's what Jesus said to Zacchaeus after he showed repentance (by repaying anyone he defrauded) and faith: "And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost."



Agreed. But this isn't a different Gospel, it is a different aspect of the Gospel.



Ok. I think when we read about the Gospel in the bible there are about nine different ways of referring to it.

But they explain one of three ideas about the Gospel.

They explain either:

1. The origin or cause of the Gospel
2. The subject or content of the Gospel
3. The effects or consequences of the Gospel

Depending on what verses we actually look at (I think that there are about 100 verses that refer to the Gospel), the verses may be speaking of any of the three parts mentioned above.

Some passages, such as some of Jesus' words that speak of the "gospel of the kingdom", refer to the subject/content of the Gospel. And that subject is the King. To the Jews they would think "Ooh, Messiah" (or King). So some of what Jesus spoke of refers to that part of the Gospel. But it isn't a different Gospel. It is just a focus on that part of the Gospel message. And that focus is that He is the King.

In Romans 10:9 which you mentioned above, Paul is referring to both the subject/content AND to the effects/consequences of the Gospel. Basically, he is saying this is the effects/consequences of believing in the subject of the Gospel. In other words, this is what happens if you believe the content.

Those are not two different gospels. They are two aspects of the same Gospel.



Jesus didn't minister exclusively to the Jews. This passage is just saying that He primarily did so...but He didn't do that exclusively.

But that makes sense. The "good news" is that the King has come. The Anointed One of Israel. The Messiah. He could not have taken that to the Gentiles first or primarily or not one single Jewish person would have believed He was who He said He was. In that sense, He had to preach primarily to the Jews. Then, not only do the Jews have an opportunity to believe in Him...but later the Gentiles could as well.

Peace.
there were just two gentiles out of the multitudes that Jesus ministered to, and these two had to have great faith!!! remember His statement ' i have come but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel'! does that make sense?
 
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Therefore the gospel of the kingdom of God that Christ preached is not the gospel of our salvation bc He had not yet gone to the cross. In fact Jesus Christ during His early ministry,was a minister of the circumcision (Rom 15:8), to confirm the promised of the messiah made to Israel.
I think as one poster giving the glory to God wrote; There is only one Gospel, the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

It can be confusing when some refer to the first four books as four gospels and especially when they say the gospel according to this person or another in whom God moved to record His thoughts as if the gospel was after men

The gospel as the authority of God unto salvation is according to the same Spirit of Christ faith working in the heart of men from one generation to the next. Roman speaks of that good news as the authority of God unto salvation to everyone that believes as His word working in us gives us the living faith to make it possible.

So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: “as it is written”, The just shall live by faith. Rom 1:15-17

As far as making after the outward demonstration of the cross ..One gentleman suggested Abraham as the first while I would take that back the Abel in who God had mercy and grace on. After that He preached of the suffering of Christ beforehand using ceremonial laws as shadows.

Receiving the end of your faith, "even the salvation of your souls". Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1Pe 1:9