How not to please GOD
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Without a shadow of a doubt the law will not save a man, We are saved by grace through faith truly.
But walking in the spirit and keeping commandments is wise to our benefit, it brings blessings unto us and our house.
As for the 'Jews', they are going to hell, they are antichrist:
1 John 2:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
John 3:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
1 John 5:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
And verse 13, among many, is proof that you can KNOW you are going to heaven, and that it is eternal salvation.
But walking in the spirit and keeping commandments is wise to our benefit, it brings blessings unto us and our house.
As for the 'Jews', they are going to hell, they are antichrist:
1 John 2:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
John 3:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
1 John 5:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
And verse 13, among many, is proof that you can KNOW you are going to heaven, and that it is eternal salvation.
How can you justify the statements you make against law? What does turning our back on Christ mean to you? You keep saying that anything we do to follow Christ is turning our back on Him, that doesn't make sense.
You go on about using obedience for salvation instead of Christ. That is another subject altogether, not in any mind but yours, not in scripture, not acceptable by God from creation to revelation.
You seem to be gunning for Moses. What a strange idea you have that Moses was some sort of bad guy. Every instruction God gave through Moses was an instruction for living in love, you preach so against any of this love. Christ listened to how His Father spoke through Moses and you say Christ was wrong to listen?
You go on about using obedience for salvation instead of Christ. That is another subject altogether, not in any mind but yours, not in scripture, not acceptable by God from creation to revelation.
You seem to be gunning for Moses. What a strange idea you have that Moses was some sort of bad guy. Every instruction God gave through Moses was an instruction for living in love, you preach so against any of this love. Christ listened to how His Father spoke through Moses and you say Christ was wrong to listen?
We are commanded to believe on Jesus, believe it or not..
1 John 3:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
We are commanded to repent (not of 'sins') from unbelief to believing on Jesus Christ, for our own benefit, and to spread the gospel.
1 John 3:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
We are commanded to repent (not of 'sins') from unbelief to believing on Jesus Christ, for our own benefit, and to spread the gospel.
Believing on Jesus to save us from our sins, believing in Jesus as the one to take our sins to for cleansing does not mean that we must never try to obey. That is misunderstanding Jesus, it is making Jesus into a false God when the real Jesus is our salvation.
The law is of God, to deny the law is to deny God.
If you will look up every reverence scripture has of law, you will find that every single scripture agrees with every other scripture, including all of the 119th Psalm. We have one eternal God, a God of unity. When you quote scripture as being opposed to law, you are not understanding the intent of law. The law is of God. The law is of love. The law is good. It is the devil who tries to turn us from God who is turning us from loving the law. The devil wants us to believe that to know Christ and how He saves us from death means we must turn from love, to turn from God, to say the law is not of God but is bad.
The law is of God, to deny the law is to deny God.
If you will look up every reverence scripture has of law, you will find that every single scripture agrees with every other scripture, including all of the 119th Psalm. We have one eternal God, a God of unity. When you quote scripture as being opposed to law, you are not understanding the intent of law. The law is of God. The law is of love. The law is good. It is the devil who tries to turn us from God who is turning us from loving the law. The devil wants us to believe that to know Christ and how He saves us from death means we must turn from love, to turn from God, to say the law is not of God but is bad.
yes. THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
from Psalm 1 (my favorite)
Blessed is the man[SUP][a][/SUP]
who walks not in the counsel of the wicked,
nor stands in the way of sinners,
nor sits in the seat of scoffers;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]but his delight is in the law[SUP][b][/SUP] of the Lord,
and on his law he meditates day and night.
The law reveals our need for a Savior. Jesus and our faith in Him is what saves us, not following the law. Following the law should be a by-product of our love for Him:
Romans 2:4
Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?
from Psalm 1 (my favorite)
Blessed is the man[SUP][a][/SUP]
who walks not in the counsel of the wicked,
nor stands in the way of sinners,
nor sits in the seat of scoffers;
[SUP]2 [/SUP]but his delight is in the law[SUP][b][/SUP] of the Lord,
and on his law he meditates day and night.
The law reveals our need for a Savior. Jesus and our faith in Him is what saves us, not following the law. Following the law should be a by-product of our love for Him:
Romans 2:4
Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God’s kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?
To further drive the truth home:
Acts 17:
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Not repent of sins... Dont add a work thats not in the verse. Repent in faith, leave your false god turn to the true God in faith. If you read a few verses up from 30, youll see:
Acts 17:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To The Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
We are his offspring, we should seek Him. The Godhead is not liken unto a graven image, so turn from that graven image to the True God, its a commandment. In everyday terms, dont be a idiot, you know who the true God is! And sometimes we need to be spanked when we do wrong:
Heb 12:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Acts 17:
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Not repent of sins... Dont add a work thats not in the verse. Repent in faith, leave your false god turn to the true God in faith. If you read a few verses up from 30, youll see:
Acts 17:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, To The Unknown God. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
We are his offspring, we should seek Him. The Godhead is not liken unto a graven image, so turn from that graven image to the True God, its a commandment. In everyday terms, dont be a idiot, you know who the true God is! And sometimes we need to be spanked when we do wrong:
Heb 12:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Not according to the Messiah. According to Scripture only the person who follows Yahweh's Laws for sole justification has done so.
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
You see the seed of the body of Messiah/the Saints do indeed keep Yahweh's Law:
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
The intention of every person's heart will be judged and if one is using the blood of the Messiah as a doormat and justification for their Lawlessness they are in trouble.
Hebrews 10:26-31, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living Father."
Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”
1 Corinthians 4:4-5, "For I know nothing by myself; yet by this I am not justified, for He Who judges me is Yahweh! Therefore, judge nothing before the time. Wait until Yahshua comes, Who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness, and will reveal the secret intentions of men's hearts; and then each man will receive praise from Yahweh."
Romans 2:15, "...their conscience also bears witness, and their thoughts now accuse or else try to defend them."
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
You see the seed of the body of Messiah/the Saints do indeed keep Yahweh's Law:
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
The intention of every person's heart will be judged and if one is using the blood of the Messiah as a doormat and justification for their Lawlessness they are in trouble.
Hebrews 10:26-31, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living Father."
Mattithyah 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”
1 Corinthians 4:4-5, "For I know nothing by myself; yet by this I am not justified, for He Who judges me is Yahweh! Therefore, judge nothing before the time. Wait until Yahshua comes, Who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness, and will reveal the secret intentions of men's hearts; and then each man will receive praise from Yahweh."
Romans 2:15, "...their conscience also bears witness, and their thoughts now accuse or else try to defend them."
Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
iniquity is:#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
Is following the law a by-product of our love for Christ, or is the righteousness required by the law the by-product (fruit of the spirit) of our following Christ?
What the law could not do since it was limited by the flesh, God did. He condemned sin in the flesh by sending His own Son in flesh like ours under sin's domain, and as a sin offering, in order that the law's requirement would be accomplished in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:3-4
Lets keep reading that passage as you stopped right before the part that says fleshly people cant even subject themselves to Yahweh's Law and therefore can not please Yahweh:
Romans 8:5-8, "5 For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
Romans 8:5-8, "5 For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."
