HOW TO READ THE BIBLE AND WHY

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I am thankful to be "cut off" from your church's "holy tradition".
I'm sorry, but when did your church have the authority to say who
is saved (saints)? Have they not made themsselves Judge and God.
BOY ARE YOU DECEIVED.

Second, for those who are so sugggestive as to how to read the Bible,
the Bible itself tells us how to read it, but you guys have better
wisdom i guess.
 
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Romansonetwentytwo

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Bible is the final authority. What the Bible affirms is true. No human opinion or decree of any church can override the Bible. 2 Tim 3:15-17, 1 Thessalonians 2:13, Peter 1:20,21.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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the bible itself teaches that it is the final authority on what is truth...

the berean christians are called 'more noble' because they heard paul's teaching and checked to see that it aligned with scripture...

so even the apostles...and their 'successors' if you believe in that sort of thing...were subject to the authority of scripture as the source of truth...

the church is not itself the truth...jesus is the truth... and the church is not the source of truth either...

the church is called the -pillar- of truth...in other words the church upholds the truth like a pillar holds up a roof...and that truth is found in scripture...

so any institution can only be part of 'the church' insofar as it upholds the truth of jesus found in scripture...
 
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I'm sorry, but when did your church have the authority to say who
is saved (saints)? Have they not made themsselves Judge and God.
BOY ARE YOU DECEIVED.

Second, for those who are so sugggestive as to how to read the Bible,
the Bible itself tells us how to read it, but you guys have better
wisdom i guess.

Are you saying The Church is not "The Pillar and Ground of the Truth" (1 Tim. 3:15)?. And are you saying the Church is judging anyone? Aren't you making a judgment about (against) what the Church is doing. You are falsely saying the Church has "made themselves Judge and God" (sic). Sounds like you are making a false judgment to me. God bless you. Is the Bible in private interpretations the truth, then?
Why do you think anyone is saying anything about who is saved? When did you hear that from anyone on this forum? You're saying something that is not true.
 
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See_KING_Truth

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I agree that Jesus is the Truth, but don't forget, the bible also says that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

God is the Word >> Jesus is God in the Flesh >> Jesus is the Word of God.

John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
 
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the bible itself teaches that it is the final authority on what is truth...

the berean christians are called 'more noble' because they heard paul's teaching and checked to see that it aligned with scripture...

so even the apostles...and their 'successors' if you believe in that sort of thing...were subject to the authority of scripture as the source of truth...

the church is not itself the truth...jesus is the truth... and the church is not the source of truth either...

the church is called the -pillar- of truth...in other words the church upholds the truth like a pillar holds up a roof...and that truth is found in scripture...

so any institution can only be part of 'the church' insofar as it upholds the truth of jesus found in scripture...

So, are you suggesting that Matthew 16:18 is false, and the gates of hell shall prevail against Christ's Church? Where does the Bible say that? Yes, Jesus is the Truth. Where is Jesus? Everywhere! And His Spirit lives in His Body, the Church (Eph. 4).
Where do you find the word "institution" in the Bible? The Bible doesn't say the Church is an institution.
The Orthodox Church is not an institution. She's the Bride of Jesus Christ.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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So, are you suggesting that Matthew 16:18 is false, and the gates of hell shall prevail against Christ's Church? Where does the Bible say that? Yes, Jesus is the Truth. Where is Jesus? Everywhere! And His Spirit lives in His Body, the Church (Eph. 4).
Where do you find the word "institution" in the Bible? The Bible doesn't say the Church is an institution.
The Orthodox Church is not an institution. She's the Bride of Jesus Christ.
your interpretation of matthew 16:18 is false
 
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your interpretation of matthew 16:18 is false
Dear Rachel:

1. What is my interpretation of Matthew 16:18?

2. Why is that false?

3. What is your interpretation of Matthew 16:18? How do you know your interpretation, then, is true?

You said something without explaining what you mean! Why did you do that?

In Erie Scott R. Harrington
 
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Bible is the final authority. What the Bible affirms is true. No human opinion or decree of any church can override the Bible. 2 Tim 3:15-17, 1 Thessalonians 2:13, Peter 1:20,21.
The Bible says the Church, not the Bible, is "the Pillar and ground of the Truth" (1 Tim. 3:15), so you, then, with your human opinion, are falsifying what the Bible says about the Church.
What the Church affirms is true, because the Church wrote the Bible; the Bible did not write (found) the Church. The Church existed long before the NT was completed.
 
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StMichaelTheArchangel

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I'm sorry, but when did your church have the authority to say who
is saved (saints)? Have they not made themsselves Judge and God.
The Saints are not there to say who is "Saved" and who is "Lost", they are there in order to manifest the Power of God and the Wisdom of God(1 Cor 1:24) in the Church. They are also examples to the Body of Christ. Many of the Saints are teachers. Many are martyrs. Many are monks. We have the writings of the events of their lives as monuments of Christian Virtue and Excellence. Not to make an idol out of them or anything, just as examples.

BOY ARE YOU DECEIVED.

Second, for those who are so sugggestive as to how to read the Bible,
the Bible itself tells us how to read it, but you guys have better
wisdom i guess
.

The deceived person is someone who thinks that Christianity revolves around the question of "Are you Saved?"

The Bible does not tell us how to read it, it is not written in such human words. It doesn't even tell you how to worship God properly. In fact, it does not tell us many things which we aught to know.
 
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systemdown101

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The best way to read the Bible is to open it to page one and read it all the way through.
I did that myself. It works great until you hit 1 Chronicles.

After a couple days, I just skipped ahead to Matthew and kept reading from there. :eek:
 
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systemdown101

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Have you read the bible? If you had, you would know your two statements above are false.
While I agree with you, I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that what StMichaelTheArchangel was trying to say is that the Bible does not address fully the questions or controversies that have separated denominations, such as whether a wafer of bread literally or figuritively turns into Yeshua's flesh, Calvinism vs. Arminianism or whatever those isms are, and so forth.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Not only that verse, but also 1 Timothy 3:15 . "But if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how it is necessary to conduct oneself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth."



Jesus said, "I am the Truth", not a book. St Paul said that the Church is the Truth, not a book. Jesus said he would send us the "Spirit of Truth", not a book.
Joh_16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will announce to you things to come.



Was Jesus referring to a writing (the Bible)? No, he was talking about a living Spirit of Truth which would descend upon the first Apostles of the Church. For you to contain the whole Truth about God to the Bible is for you to claim that the Holy Spirit is contained only in the pages of the Bible itself. The thing about it is, is which translation do we use, and who has the authority to make various translation of it? Currently, there are thousands of different Protestants denominations with hundreds of different Bible translations. This being so, some (most) of these denominations have actually translated their own special texts of the Bible in such a way, that they will insert theologically biased renderings of the translation.

So the question is this: Who has the authority over the Biblical text to make proper and unbiased translations of it? And who decides which books to be put in it? The answers are certainly not with all of these different denominations who have their own agendas, to make theologically biased translations.

My own personal question is: WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT SO MANY DIFFERENT BIBLE TRANSLATIONS???
The reason for this is that their is no "Unity of the Faith" (Eph 4:12) in the Protestant Christian Churches. They are all walking according to their own understand and by this, falling into schism and heresy left and right like blind men who can't hit the broad side of a barn. Christian wolves in shepherds clothing, acting as the ministers of Christ but are actually the minsters of falsehood. Martin Luther and the Reformers were some of them, they were not the "Teaching the way of God in Truth" (Matthew 22:16). The 5 "Sola's which are so revered by Protestants, came solely from the imagination of a man in the 17 Century, they are not from the Holy Spirit. They are from the Spirit of Error which causes division; they are of the Spirit of the Flesh which causes hersy.

It is because of Protestantism that there are so many different translations. This has never happened until Protestantism erupted out of nowhere in the 17th Century. The True Church of God, throughout the 2000 years of Christian History, has tried to maintain the "Unity of the Faith", but with the arrival of antichristian innovations and heresies, the abyss of hell has opened its doors, and now falsehood has been given free reign over the Protestant "Christian" Churches through different Bible translations and thus also different teachings. They also do well in deceiving many of the lone sheep who do not have the "Pillar of the Truth, the Church of the living God" (1 Timothy 3:15).
wow so now you are backtracking? Which is it. Does the scripture answer EVERY question we can have like you said or not? If it can. You are teaching scripture alone. it can not be both ways!!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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While I agree with you, I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that what StMichaelTheArchangel was trying to say is that the Bible does not address fully the questions or controversies that have separated denominations, such as whether a wafer of bread literally or figuritively turns into Yeshua's flesh, Calvinism vs. Arminianism or whatever those isms are, and so forth.
Actually scripture does answer both of these questions. The problem is pride and hard hearts get in the way, and people do not interpret correctly. They make scripture fit their belief sustem, and do not make their belief system match scripture. That is why there will always be factions. There was in the jewish system, There is in the church. Nothing is new.
 
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The deceived person is someone who thinks that Christianity revolves around the question of "Are you Saved?"

The Bible does not tell us how to read it, it is not written in such human words. It doesn't even tell you how to worship God properly. In fact, it does not tell us many things which we aught to know.
anyone else sitting there thinking WHAT in the world is going through Nicene's head?


"it is not written in such human words"

ummm really?

"it doesn't even tell you how to worship God properly"


well... ummm... have you read this part yet?


Luke 11
2 So He said to them, “When you pray, say:

Our Father in heaven,[a]
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
4 And forgive us our sins,
For we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And do not lead us into temptation,
But deliver us from the evil one.” [c]


". In fact, it does not tell us many things which we aught to know"


but it tells us this:

2 Peter 1
2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.


I"m going to trust in GOD's promise that HE has given US ALL things that pertain to LIFE and Godliness.
 
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Romansonetwentytwo

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The Bible says the Church, not the Bible, is "the Pillar and ground of the Truth" (1 Tim. 3:15), so you, then, with your human opinion, are falsifying what the Bible says about the Church.
What the Church affirms is true, because the Church wrote the Bible; the Bible did not write (found) the Church. The Church existed long before the NT was completed.
Did I say just verse 15 or 15-17??? I read you're Orthodox (Catholic) beliefs so I understand how you are so confused when it comes to the Bible.
 

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Are you saying The Church is not "The Pillar and Ground of the Truth" (1 Tim. 3:15)?. And are you saying the Church is judging anyone? Aren't you making a judgment about (against) what the Church is doing. You are falsely saying the Church has "made themselves Judge and God" (sic). Sounds like you are making a false judgment to me. God bless you. Is the Bible in private interpretations the truth, then?
Why do you think anyone is saying anything about who is saved? When did you hear that from anyone on this forum? You're saying something that is not true.

When Paul addressed the church and called it the pillar and ground of the Truth which church was he addressing? There were the Ephesians, the Galatians, Thessalonians, Romans, Corinthians, Hebrews, Philippians, Colossians etc... They all believed a little differently from each other. And Yet Paul addressed each of them as THE Church. How could they all have been THE Church if they all believed a little bit differently?

It is because THE Church is not a single denomination in a single building. Otherwise Paul would have said The Church in Ephesus or The Church in Thessalonica but he didn't claim a single denomination was THE Church. He just went around showing each church the bit of error they were in and commending them on the good things they did.

Each denomination has a bit of error in it because they come from mens limited understanding and mens corruption. The bible is our ultimate authority because it puts this corruption and limited understanding into the Light of Gods Word. Tradition is not wrong or bad in or of itself. It is just wrong to place that tradition above the teaching of Gods Word in the Bible.

Look at these first churches and see the corruption already evident in them. Even with the ACTUAL apostles still on earth teaching them.

For a single denomination to claim to be The One True Church is to follow the error of the Pharisees. They thought the truth only belonged to them too. What they didn't realize is that God makes the Truth available to all men. Not just men who follow their traditions or their teachings. Didn't the Pharisees place their traditions above the Word of God written in the Bible? What did our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ think about that? He didn't like it, did He?
 
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When Paul addressed the church and called it the pillar and ground of the Truth which church was he addressing? There were the Ephesians, the Galatians, Thessalonians, Romans, Corinthians, Hebrews, Philippians, Colossians etc... They all believed a little differently from each other. And Yet Paul addressed each of them as THE Church. How could they all have been THE Church if they all believed a little bit differently?

It is because THE Church is not a single denomination in a single building. Otherwise Paul would have said The Church in Ephesus or The Church in Thessalonica but he didn't claim a single denomination was THE Church. He just went around showing each church the bit of error they were in and commending them on the good things they did.

Each denomination has a bit of error in it because they come from mens limited understanding and mens corruption. The bible is our ultimate authority because it puts this corruption and limited understanding into the Light of Gods Word. Tradition is not wrong or bad in or of itself. It is just wrong to place that tradition above the teaching of Gods Word in the Bible.

Look at these first churches and see the corruption already evident in them. Even with the ACTUAL apostles still on earth teaching them.

For a single denomination to claim to be The One True Church is to follow the error of the Pharisees. They thought the truth only belonged to them too. What they didn't realize is that God makes the Truth available to all men. Not just men who follow their traditions or their teachings. Didn't the Pharisees place their traditions above the Word of God written in the Bible? What did our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ think about that? He didn't like it, did He?

That's assuming they believed a little bit differently. That doesn't make sense in the light of Ephesians, which says "One LORD, One Faith, One baptism ....". They all believed the same Faith. By the way, denominations don't exist in the True Church. Anything that is a denomination isn't the Church founded by Christ. Denominations didn't happen until after the schisms of 1054 and 1521. Heresies were expelled from the Church along the way. These never succeeded in the long run. If no one group of people can claim to be the True Church, then Matthew 16:18 is false, and so is 1 Tim. 3:15, and so that makes both Christ and St. Paul into liars.
 
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Grandpa;621621]When Paul addressed the church and called it the pillar and ground of the Truth which church was he addressing? There were the Ephesians, the Galatians, Thessalonians, Romans, Corinthians, Hebrews, Philippians, Colossians etc... They all believed a little differently from each other. And Yet Paul addressed each of them as THE Church. How could they all have been THE Church if they all believed a little bit differently?

It is because THE Church is not a single denomination in a single building. Otherwise Paul would have said The Church in Ephesus or The Church in Thessalonica but he didn't claim a single denomination was THE Church. He just went around showing each church the bit of error they were in and commending them on the good things they did.

Each denomination has a bit of error in it because they come from mens limited understanding and mens corruption. The bible is our ultimate authority because it puts this corruption and limited understanding into the Light of Gods Word. Tradition is not wrong or bad in or of itself. It is just wrong to place that tradition above the teaching of Gods Word in the Bible.

Look at these first churches and see the corruption already evident in them. Even with the ACTUAL apostles still on earth teaching them.

For a single denomination to claim to be The One True Church is to follow the error of the Pharisees. They thought the truth only belonged to them too. What they didn't realize is that God makes the Truth available to all men. Not just men who follow their traditions or their teachings. Didn't the Pharisees place their traditions above the Word of God written in the Bible? What did our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ think about that? He didn't like it, did He?

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Dear Grandpa:

Does Orthodoxy Really Think It Is the "True Church"? Timothy Copple
Orthodox Inquirer/Convert - he Church-Does Orthodoxy Really Think It Is the True Church

God bless you all. Amen.

In Erie Scott Harrington