Identifying demon possessed persons.

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PeteWaldo

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IT SEEMS THIS THREAD GOES OFF TOPIC REPEATEDLY, THIS THREAD SHOULD BE CLOSED.SOMEONE PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD.
Why would you want the thread closed because of something that in your opinion you fail to see as on topic? Why not simply respond to posts like the one at the following link that are conspicuously on topic, rather than dictating your desires to the determent of others, who desire to participate in the thread?
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ng-demon-possessed-persons-3.html#post1002631
If you don't like a thread, why not just leave it rather than attempting to impose your will against the rights and desires of others to participate?
 
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wdeaton65

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This is a "He reports you decide" account.

Here is the story of a Talmud thumping, punitive supersessionist self-proclaimed Christian, who believes he stands up for Jesus by assigning beliefs to Jews through books that Jews themselves do not consider inspired. Yet if Jews assigned and insisted that he believed in an angel named Maroni and that God lives near a planet/star named Kolob I'll bet he would be screaming like a little girl.

Please read Ted Pike's account of what life is/was like for he and his wife, and decide if it appears more like Satanic attack against him for assigning beliefs to Jews, or more like he stepped out from under God's protection:

Ted Pike: My Wife Died a Martyr for God and Freedom
What is your point pete are you saying ted and alynn were punished by GOD for there work against the talmud is that what you think.
 

RickyZ

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Jesus did speak to the demons, but only briefly to ask their name (authority) and to tell them where to go (into the swine). But a good test is found in 1 Cor. 12:3 - Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. If you think someone is possessed, ask them what they think of Christ.
 
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Can anyone here help me understand how can we indentify a demon possessed person ? Is it enough to see some abnormalities in a person and think that person to be demon possessed? I had once visited a church and there was a married lady and as we were worshipping , she just stood up and said I am going and her husband held her tight and she created a sort of drama ,I did't understand anything there, everyone were asked to pray for her, and next day she was just fine.A friend of mine who was a member of that church told me that she was possessed with demon. Actually I don't believe that she had a demon, more I thought that man was forcing her to stay. I don't know how to identify a demon possessed person , especially in a church.Again I once visited a church and when I was talking to the pastor , he told me something that I didn't understand at all. He said his church got a bad name , as people say that he fills people with demons. I don't know anything about all these confusing demon possession part and demon filling part.

I do know as christians, we are to fix our focus on Christ, and meditate on the law of the Lord. But these questions puzzle me and I really wish someone can tell me something about sighns of demon possessed persons.

There is only one way that I know. These things must be spiritually discerned. In other words, the Holy Spirit must make it known to you. Any knowledge, wisdom, or understanding of the kingdom of God is given to us by the Spirit of God. We don't receive it on our own...... there's no way to know it on our own. It is God breathed.
 
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danschance

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There is only one way that I know. These things must be spiritually discerned. In other words, the Holy Spirit must make it known to you. Any knowledge, wisdom, or understanding of the kingdom of God is given to us by the Spirit of God. We don't receive it on our own...... there's no way to know it on our own. It is God breathed.

This is defiantly the best way to determine if a person is possessed or demonized, which ever term floats your boat. Yet it is my experience that when God says a person has a demon, He wants it dealt with on the spot.
 
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PeteWaldo

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What is your point pete are you saying ted and alynn were punished by GOD for there work against the talmud is that what you think.
I have to wonder if they weren't/aren't punished for insisting on assigning beliefs to all Jews (including faithful Jews that worship our God YHWH through our Old Testament scriptures), through a book that Jews do not consider inspired.

1Cr 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

How would you like it if Jews assigned to you that you believe in an angel Maroni, and that you thought God lived near a planet/star named Kolob, and that you believed you would rule your own planet one day and your wife wears funny underwear because you are a Christian?
 
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SHINY707

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I THANKS ALL THE PEOPLE OF GOD WHO HAVE SHARED THEIR PRECIOUS KNOWLEDGE IN THIS TOPIC. GOD BLESS YOU BROTHERS AND SISTERS. I GIVE SPECIAL THANKS TO ALL THESE BROTHERS WHO HAVE GIVEN ME HELPFUL ANSWERS.GOD BLESS YOU.



my_adonai_
there are ways to find out
try the spirits, any demon will manifest itself when you authoratively rebuke IT in the name of JESUS.
and the gift of discerning of spirits is awesome, it does ease the work of identifying the spirit inside a person.

when you are close to GOD, HE can just give you an unction to rebuke,

at times anything that disrupts order in the church does not have Godly roots, and yes it can be fleshly or of the devil.

like this, and yes you can know a tree by its fruit. people who have certain kinds of demons, show certain kinds of actions, have certain ways of speaking. but necessary all that are haughty are possessed, they could be influenced but not possessed


danschance
Here is a partial list of traits common to those with issues of demonic involvement The more traits you have in common with this list, the more risk one has of having a demonic issue.

1) Abusive childhood or a traumatic experience up to age 15. (May have some amnesia of this trauma)

2) Issues with depression or anxiety

3) Suicidal thoughts or Attempted Suicide

4) Self harm (cutting, burning, hair pulling, hitting or biting ones self.)

5) Victim of sexual abuse.

6) Previously seen a ghost or spirit or felt the presence of one.

7) Possess spiritual abilities. (psychic, telekinetic, communicating with spirits, etc)

8) Frequent Nightmares or frequent night terrors

9) Sudden shift in emotions (explosive anger that comes out of no where, tears for no reason, separate personality, etc)

10) Occult or paranormal proclivities. Fascinated with ghosts, psychics, UFOs, Ouija board, vampires, the paranormal, Kabalah, witchcraft, etc.


crosspreacher
There are demons who are hidden and they are identify by the word of God.
There are also some who shout when they hear the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.


RickyZ
Jesus did speak to the demons, but only briefly to ask their name (authority) and to tell them where to go (into the swine). But a good test is found in 1 Cor. 12:3 - Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. If you think someone is possessed, ask them what they think of Christ.



Stephen63
There is only one way that I know. These things must be spiritually discerned. In other words, the Holy Spirit must make it known to you. Any knowledge, wisdom, or understanding of the kingdom of God is given to us by the Spirit of God. We don't receive it on our own...... there's no way to know it on our own. It is God breathed.
 
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Ariel82

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Personally I think it is best to pray over anyone you meet and ask God to banish any demons from your presence, then learn how to help the person heal from the damage done to them. Help them tear down the strongholds that keep them from understanding the love and peace and Joy found in Christ. Show them the lies the demons have been whispering in their minds for so long and replace that empty clean swept house with God's Truth and His Holy Spirit to guide and protect them when they leave your presence.

I'd rather learn how to identify children of God and how they walk in His Holy Spirit. for darkness can not abide Light. therefore be lights unto the world and banish the darkness out of the lives of those you meet.

[h=3]Matthew 5:14-16[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]14 [/SUP]“You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.


God bless and keep you.

Shiny, threads will get derailed quite often. Don't let it steal you peace, just pray for them. :)
 
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wdeaton65

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I have to wonder if they weren't/aren't punished for insisting on assigning beliefs to all Jews (including faithful Jews that worship our God YHWH through our Old Testament scriptures), through a book that Jews do not consider inspired.

1Cr 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

How would you like it if Jews assigned to you that you believe in an angel Maroni, and that you thought God lived near a planet/star named Kolob, and that you believed you would rule your own planet one day and your wife wears funny underwear because you are a Christian?
Are you saying I dont know what the talmud says and what it is all about This should be funny Explain yoursewlf.
 
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PeteWaldo

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Originally Posted by PeteWaldo


I have to wonder if they weren't/aren't punished for insisting on assigning beliefs to all Jews (including faithful Jews that worship our God YHWH through our Old Testament scriptures), through a book that Jews do not consider inspired.

1Cr 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

How would you like it if Jews assigned to you that you believe in an angel Maroni, and that you thought God lived near a planet/star named Kolob, and that you believed you would rule your own planet one day and your wife wears funny underwear because you are a Christian?
Are you saying I dont know what the talmud says and what it is all about This should be funny Explain yoursewlf.
I did explain myself. If you consider the book of Mormon to be uninspired, how would you like it if Jews assigned it to you as something you, as well as all Christians, believe?
 
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wdeaton65

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I did explain myself. If you consider the book of Mormon to be uninspired, how would you like it if Jews assigned it to you as something you, as well as all Christians, believe?
I was cut on the 8th day Pete by a rabbi so I ask you again are you telling me I dont know what the talmud says and teaches just answer yes or no
 
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PeteWaldo

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I was cut on the 8th day Pete by a rabbi so I ask you again are you telling me I dont know what the talmud says and teaches just answer yes or no
You only repeated yourself, while once again, avoiding the content of my post.
What my post should have communicated to you is that whatever you believe you know about the Talmud, or whatever the Talmud says, is irrelevant since Jews do not consider it inspired. So even Jews must necessarily be wary of its content. And the scriptures to help us understand the spiritual condition of any Jew that hates Jesus and/or Christians:

1Cr 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

So you can use it as a litmus test, for whoever it was that circumcised you, and any other individual who professes to be a Jew, while calling Jesus accursed.
I would further suggest that if you are out there mucking about in the Talmud and assigning belief in it to others, while deluded into believing you are standing up for Jesus by so doing, you could perhaps wind up like Ted and his wife. At a minimum you've joined no shortage of others who are willing to do the same.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel-13.html#post985301

Does Ted's account strike you as that of a Christian who is enjoying God's protection, or a person that suffered(s) the effects of demonization?
If you don't have the patience for reading, try scrolling down to the "Learning to Live with Demons" section.
Ted Pike: My Wife Died a Martyr for God and Freedom
 
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wdeaton65

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Pete I took the time and watch what ted and alynn were teaching and they for the most part were telling the truth.
Alynn dieing the way she did to me shows some one under attack from the enemy. Which by the way is exactly what the Bible says will happen to people with truth. This idea of if you are serving GOD you will live your best life now smooth sailing. This is yet another lie. EVERYBODY that GOD uses in the Bible had a very hard life. Just look at the Apostles beaten and killed chased and lied about. SHIP wrecked come on it is not meant to be easy. I think that ted and alynn did a great job exposing the truth about the lies rabbis teach. Now if your post means you think they did a good job please forgive me thanks.
 
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PeteWaldo

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Pete I took the time and watch what ted and alynn were teaching and they for the most part were telling the truth.
Alynn dieing the way she did to me shows some one under attack from the enemy.
That's right because you share his punitive supersessionism.

Which by the way is exactly what the Bible says will happen to people with truth.
The bible suggests that people walking in truth will suffer continuous harassment by demons? Perhaps you could prove some scripture for that.
Mine says we can expect to suffer persecution.

This idea of if you are serving GOD you will live your best life now smooth sailing.
Gwaffaw! my friend. None of my posts have ever peddled such things.
Being continuously harrassed by demons and committing suicide as a result, isn't just a little something other than "smooth sailing".

This is yet another lie. EVERYBODY that GOD uses in the Bible had a very hard life.
Just as the 105,000 to 180,000 Christians that are martyred around the world every year today.
But NOT through demonization but primarily by persecution by Islamic antichrists.

Just look at the Apostles beaten and killed chased and lied about. SHIP wrecked come on it is not meant to be easy.
What do you suppose it is inside you, that has you trying to draw and equivalence between demon possession, and Christian persecution, as if Christians should naturally expect to be tortured and tormented by demons?

I think that ted and alynn did a great job exposing the truth about the lies rabbis teach. Now if your post means you think they did a good job please forgive me thanks.
My posts communicated what I suspect (and cannot know), and that it appears Ted stepped out from under the umbrella of Jesus' protection specifically because of what he advances.

There is perhaps no greater discriminator on earth today, both throughout the secular world as well as in the "church", as fruit of the trees of Zionism and anti-Zionism:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel-13.html#post985301
 
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SHINY707

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Ariel82

Personally I think it is best to pray over anyone you meet and ask God to banish any demons from your presence, then learn how to help the person heal from the damage done to them. Help them tear down the strongholds that keep them from understanding the love and peace and Joy found in Christ. Show them the lies the demons have been whispering in their minds for so long and replace that empty clean swept house with God's Truth and His Holy Spirit to guide and protect them when they leave your presence.


I'd rather learn how to identify children of God and how they walk in His Holy Spirit. for darkness can not abide Light. therefore be lights unto the world and banish the darkness out of the lives of those you meet.


Matthew 5:14-16

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]14 [/SUP]“You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.




God bless and keep you.

Shiny, threads will get derailed quite often. Don't let it steal you peace, just pray for them. :)

THANKS ARIEL, GOD BLESS YOU.
 
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wdeaton65

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That's right because you share his punitive supersessionism.



The bible suggests that people walking in truth will suffer continuous harassment by demons? Perhaps you could prove some scripture for that.
Mine says we can expect to suffer persecution.



Gwaffaw! my friend. None of my posts have ever peddled such things.
Being continuously harrassed by demons and committing suicide as a result, isn't just a little something other than "smooth sailing".



Just as the 105,000 to 180,000 Christians that are martyred around the world every year today.
But NOT through demonization but primarily by persecution by Islamic antichrists.



What do you suppose it is inside you, that has you trying to draw and equivalence between demon possession, and Christian persecution, as if Christians should naturally expect to be tortured and tormented by demons?


My posts communicated what I suspect (and cannot know), and that it appears Ted stepped out from under the umbrella of Jesus' protection specifically because of what he advances.

There is perhaps no greater discriminator on earth today, both throughout the secular world as well as in the "church", as fruit of the trees of Zionism and anti-Zionism:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/60682-return-jews-israel-13.html#post985301
Why dont you share with all of us what is zionism and show me that word in the Bible I will wait.
I will be waiting a long time wont I pete. Go ahead you know I read and write Biblical Hebrew there is no such word as ZIONISM END OF STORY!!!!!!!
Why dont you answer some of the tough questions about Yeshua like what was the whole text about Mt.15 and Mt. 23 who is HE slamming and why. How about John 2;6-7 what is this all about why would they fill those 6 clay waterpots to the brim.
Dont tell me the jews dont believe that the talmud is inspired. These very scriptures proves that they did and still do believe the lies of the teachers of the oral laws or the talmud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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danschance

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Maybe you could start a new thread and go into detail about the Talmud, Islam, etc. Otherwise you might derail this thread. Just a kind suggestion.
 
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PeteWaldo

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Why dont you share with all of us what is zionism and show me that word in the Bible I will wait.
I will be waiting a long time wont I pete. Go ahead you know I read and write Biblical Hebrew there is no such word as ZIONISM END OF STORY!!!!!!!
Of course even you must recognize that doesn't even begin to "end" the "story". That a late 19th century term coined for the restoration of Jews to Israel doesn't exist in scripture, does not change the matter of fact historical reality of the restoration of Jews to Israel, as anticipated by Christians through prophecy, centuries before that restoration ever began to take place.
ZIONISM IN CHRISTIANITY

I can understand why you wish the "story" would end there, when we consider the fruit of the tree of those in the church who believe the restoration of Jews to Israel is of the Lord, and those who reject that the restoration of Jews to their land is of the Lord. The fruit of the trees of Zionists and anti-Zionists, whether secular or of faith:

Israeli residents break down as follows:

The majority of those in the following Israeli groups are pro-Zionism:

Israeli Christians
Israeli non-Muslim and secular Arabs
Israeli Messianic Jews
Israeli Torah Jews
Israeli secular Jews

The majority of those in the following Israeli group are anti-Zionism:

Israeli Muslims


Now let's take a look at how non-Israeli groups composed of folks who weren't born in Israel, and/or don't have to or want to live in Israel, break down.

Among non-Israeli groups that proclaim themselves to be Christian, the majority of those in the following groups are pro-Zionism:

Tens of millions of denominational and non-denominational Evangelical Christians, including a near unanimity of futurists, like Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye
The Christadelphian cult

Among non-Israeli groups that proclaim themselves to be Christian, the majority of those in the following groups are anti-Zionism:

Jeremiah Wright and his flock (even endorsing the Iran backed "March on Jerusalem")
Arnold Murray and his Serpent Seed cult
David Duke and the KKK
Ted Pike (who seems to have suffered the consequences) and his followers
The "Christian Identity" movement
The liberal left wing of the church some of which also ordain women and homosexuals (these are a little difficult to nail down because they are as reluctant to admit to anti-Zionism, as some folks in this forum were, to answer to only request I made in the last paragraph in the OP of this thread)
Perhaps those groups that discussed divestment of Israeli assets could give us a clue:
Disinvestment from Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Presbyterian Church (USA)
World Council of Churches
United Church of Christ
United Methodist Church
With the ECUSA suggesting "“a negotiated two-state solution” and “positive investment” rather than divestment from Israel." (in other words likely financing Islamic terrorism, since that is the so-called "Palestinian's" largest (and perhaps nearly only?) industry in which one can invest).


Among non-Israeli groups, that are not Christian, the majority of whose members are pro-Zionism:

These groups might be hard to categorize. For example I have chatted with at least one English atheist that understands what is going on, from having investigated Islam after Muslims took over his neighborhood, who does not want his heirs to be subjugated to prostrating themselves toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca and praying in the vain repetitions of the heathen five times a day.
We can perhaps suffice it to say that any group in favor of the continuation of freedom, liberty and right to self-determination and self-rule provided by the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State, to the benefit of Israeli Jews, Christians, non-Muslim Arabs and Muslims (where Muslims enjoy more freedom than they do in any Muslim controlled country on earth), would fit here.

Among non-Israeli groups, that are not Christian, the majority of whose members are anti-Zionism:

A near unanimity of Muslim antichrists around the world
Nazis
Louis Farrakan and the Nation of Islam
Communist Soviets
George Soros and his Center for American Progress
The U.N.
White supremacists
Skinheads
Anti-semites of all stripes
Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee
Some small Jewish cults
Israel or Palestine?

Why dont you answer some of the tough questions about Yeshua like what was the whole text about Mt.15 and Mt. 23 who is HE slamming and why. How about John 2;6-7 what is this all about why would they fill those 6 clay waterpots to the brim.
Dont tell me the jews dont believe that the talmud is inspired. These very scriptures proves that they did and still do believe the lies of the teachers of the oral laws or the talmud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Ariel82

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You could start by considering those who chronically post multiple successive posts, particularly while quoting themselves thereby engaging in an exchange with themselves, while putting effort into flushing away truth of other posters, by flooding with posts unrelated to the topic. Particularly while replying to posts addressed to others who were engaged in their own exchange.
nah that's not demonic. that's just rude.

kind of like derailing a person's thread is rude.

Or telling the OP to leave her own conversation would be rude.

I wouldn't call it demonic, just very poor manners.
 
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PeteWaldo

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Maybe you could start a new thread and go into detail about the Talmud, Islam, etc. Otherwise you might derail this thread. Just a kind suggestion.
Good idea. The clock caught me right before I was able to move it to the more appropriate thread which I will do now to encourage any replies to be posted there.