If You Have Jesus as You Example

[JaumeJ]

If you have Yeshua as your example, and it were within your authority to hand out justice and sentences for transgressions what would you do to someone who is caught in the act of adultry?

The curse of the law, that is the punishment for each law, dictates the person should be stoned to death by the witness of two or more, actually both parties.

We know our Savior forgave the woman caught in the very act telling her to sin no more.

He would have shown mercy to the same woman seven times seventy were she to repeat this same act, for this is what He expects of us.

None of the above abolishes the law, which is good, but it certainly provides mercy.

After this we know that the Blood He shed for us each on the cross gives us this grace forever, providing we do not use it as license to sin, yes sin will always exist because it is breaking the laws of Yahweh.

The example of Yeshua, and the lessons from the Apostles should explain all quite clearly that we are free of the curse of the law, yet we are not lawless ones.

Anyone believing the laws are abolished has a gap in their thinking process and understanding of our great and glorious Savior, Yeshua.

Do not teach against obeying Yahweh, Yeshua teaches us this. You will not lose grace by recognizing it is true what the laws on morality state.

Please do not come back with the laws that have nothing to do with morality, there are several types which no longer apply to those who are in grace, yet, many will chose to continue to follow them, and no one, not even others in grace, have a god given right or mandate to teach them otherwise as long as they have a clear conscience in the sight of our beloved Maker.

Do not be afraid of the law if you live under grace, it is good, but its curse no longer has any bearing on your salvation

 

[directline2iam]

If you have Yeshua as your example, and it were within your authority to hand out justice and sentences for transgressions what would you do to someone who is caught in the act of adultry?

The curse of the law, that is the punishment for each law, dictates the person should be stoned to death by the witness of two or more, actually both parties.

We know our Savior forgave the woman caught in the very act telling her to sin no more.

He would have shown mercy to the same woman seven times seventy were she to repeat this same act, for this is what He expects of us.

None of the above abolishes the law, which is good, but it certainly provides mercy.

After this we know that the Blood He shed for us each on the cross gives us this grace forever, providing we do not use it as license to sin, yes sin will always exist because it is breaking the laws of Yahweh.

The example of Yeshua, and the lessons from the Apostles should explain all quite clearly that we are free of the curse of the law, yet we are not lawless ones.

Anyone believing the laws are abolished has a gap in their thinking process and understanding of our great and glorious Savior, Yeshua.

Do not teach against obeying Yahweh, Yeshua teaches us this. You will not lose grace by recognizing it is true what the laws on morality state.

Please do not come back with the laws that have nothing to do with morality, there are several types which no longer apply to those who are in grace, yet, many will chose to continue to follow them, and no one, not even others in grace, have a god given right or mandate to teach them otherwise as long as they have a clear conscience in the sight of our beloved Maker.

Do not be afraid of the law if you live under grace, it is good, but its curse no longer has any bearing on your salvation

To answer your question:
"Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.

But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellow-servants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. And his fellow-servant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.

So when his fellow-servants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellow-servant, even as I had pity on thee?

And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses."—Matthew 18:23-35.

 

[JaumeJ]

There is no question posed here per se, however your commentary is quite valid as teaching from the Master.

There is a great divide between sinning as a custom and a stumble. This distinction too is taught by the Master in His grand desire to show mercy.

Even mercy cannot be completely extended if it is not received for what it is. That is, if it is not accepted for what it is, it will not be received although is extended to all freely.

 

[directline2iam]

As long as we are in our skins, we sin. We can't use the "if" because it isn't realistic. There is no if. God is the only judge. We are told to love one another and forgive always period. But forgiveness doesn't mean hang around someone that can drag you into sin. That kind of person should be shunned until they repent.

 

[Hizikyah]

1 Yahchanan (John) 2:3-6, "Now by this we do know that we know Him: If we keep His Laws. He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk exactly
as He walked."

Luke 6:37-38, "Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Do not take vengeance, and vengeance will not be taken upon you. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you; full measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over, will be poured into the lap of your garment. For with the same measure you use, it will be the standard which will be measured to you."

Ephesians 4:13-15, "Until we all come to the same unity of the faith, and of the same knowledge the Son of Yahweh has, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Messiah. No longer are we to be children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, by which they lie in wait to deceive. Instead, speaking the truth in flove, we may grow up in all things unto Him Who is our Head: Messiah."

1 Yahchanan 3:15-20, "By this we know love: because He laid down His life for us. So we also ought to lay down our lives for the brothers. But whoever has this world's possessions, and sees his neighbor in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of Yahweh abide in him? My little children, let us not love in words, neither in speech, but in deed and truth; For by this we know that we are of the truth, and will assure our hearts in His presence. For if our heart condemns us, Yahweh is greater than our heart, and knows all things."

 

[reject-tech]

Jesus stoned the woman when He pointed out that because she had received no vengeance, she should accept it gracefully and sin no more.

 

[p_rehbein]

It always helps me to have the Scripture to read and refer to:

[h=1]John
8[/h]
1 .) Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 .) And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
3 .) And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 .) They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 .) Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 .) This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 .) So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 .) And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 .) And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 .) When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 .) She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
12 .) Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

FOR ME: The important part of this passage is in verse 7) So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

So, the only honest way I can answer is, I thank God that I do not have to pass judgment/sentence on anyone.......I would have "slunk" away as did the others........

I know it's not what you were looking for, but it is the only honest way I can answer you.

God bless

 

[notuptome]

If you have Yeshua as your example, and it were within your authority to hand out justice and sentences for transgressions what would you do to someone who is caught in the act of adultry?

The curse of the law, that is the punishment for each law, dictates the person should be stoned to death by the witness of two or more, actually both parties.

We know our Savior forgave the woman caught in the very act telling her to sin no more.

He would have shown mercy to the same woman seven times seventy were she to repeat this same act, for this is what He expects of us.

None of the above abolishes the law, which is good, but it certainly provides mercy.

After this we know that the Blood He shed for us each on the cross gives us this grace forever, providing we do not use it as license to sin, yes sin will always exist because it is breaking the laws of Yahweh.

The example of Yeshua, and the lessons from the Apostles should explain all quite clearly that we are free of the curse of the law, yet we are not lawless ones.

Anyone believing the laws are abolished has a gap in their thinking process and understanding of our great and glorious Savior, Yeshua.

Do not teach against obeying Yahweh, Yeshua teaches us this. You will not lose grace by recognizing it is true what the laws on morality state.

Please do not come back with the laws that have nothing to do with morality, there are several types which no longer apply to those who are in grace, yet, many will chose to continue to follow them, and no one, not even others in grace, have a god given right or mandate to teach them otherwise as long as they have a clear conscience in the sight of our beloved Maker.

Do not be afraid of the law if you live under grace, it is good, but its curse no longer has any bearing on your salvation

How is one caught in the act of adultery except one have knowledge or participation in the act? We do not have authority to judge like Christ. We have authority to declare Gods word and have the Holy Spirit exercise His power to work in the heart of the hearer.
Grace is not a license to sin. Righteousness does not come from not sinning. Righteousness comes from God's grace. 2 Cor 5:21.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[JaumeJ]

The intent of this post is to stress the great freedom we now have in always choosing mercy over sacrifice, that is being punished, killed because of sin.

With Yeshua as our Example, we have no need to worry about judging anyone, nor do we have that right. I thank our Father that right was earned by the One to Whom it belonged in the first place, and His desire is to show mercy to all. As stated elsewhere, unhappily those who do not live in grace may credit this lack to not accepting the free gift for it must be received. It is always extended for all to receive. People, in the end, actually judge themselves, even to condemnation, and this is a terrible truth.

It always helps me to have the Scripture to read and refer to:

John
8


1 .) Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 .) And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
3 .) And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 .) They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 .) Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 .) This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 .) So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 .) And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 .) And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 .) When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 .) She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
12 .) Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

FOR ME: The important part of this passage is in verse 7) So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

So, the only honest way I can answer is, I thank God that I do not have to pass judgment/sentence on anyone.......I would have "slunk" away as did the others........

I know it's not what you were looking for, but it is the only honest way I can answer you.

God bless

 

[JaumeJ]

If you understand the post, you would understand this is understood. It is hypothetical, but pointing out that we are free from judging anyone, we do not have that wisdom yet. How many times I have posted this from the Holy Scriptures, I cannot say. As for being caught in the act, this is what occurred in the Word. You will have to take up your question with Yeshua.

How is one caught in the act of adultery except one have knowledge or participation in the act? We do not have authority to judge like Christ. We have authority to declare Gods word and have the Holy Spirit exercise His power to work in the heart of the hearer.
Grace is not a license to sin. Righteousness does not come from not sinning. Righteousness comes from God's grace. 2 Cor 5:21.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[p_rehbein]

These are the parts of the OP I was commenting/or not commenting on.......sorry if I misunderstood your intent with the OP:

QUOTE: If you have Yeshua as your example, and it were within your authority to hand out justice and sentences for transgressions what would you do to someone who is caught in the act of adultery?

The curse of the law, that is the punishment for each law, dictates the person should be stoned to death by the witness of two or more, actually both parties.


Anyone believing the laws are abolished has a gap in their thinking process and understanding of our great and glorious Savior, Yeshua. END QUOTE

I agree that we are under Grace, and thank God for that, for His wondrous and undeserved Gift of Grace..........one point I would make is that to be forgiven seventy times seven MAY be a problem in this hypothetical situation............reason I say that is that there is the unintended sin and the intentional sin........meaning: If we KNOW we are sinning, and sin in spite of our knowledge, there could be a REAL penalty imposed upon us for that willful disobedience.......the Apostle Paul wrote of this I believe........AND even when we sin unintentionally, a slip or stumble due to our imperfect nature as humans, we must recognize that we have done so, and ASK FORGIVNESS, then will He forgive us.......anyway, not THUS SAYETH THE LORD, just my thoughts.

 

[JaumeJ]

Paul even went so far as to say he does the very thing he hates. Everyone has experienced this at one level or another. Paraphrasing Paul, Oh wretched souls that we are. The great news, the good news, is Yeshua is here to remedy all for those who receive Him, and that is one big HALLELUYAH AMEN!

 

[Bryancampbell]

Faith without works is dead.

Brother, I'm trying to understand each of your posts but they keep coming to me as legalistic in some fashion, though I understand your not trying to.

We are not under the law of God, but grace, I think it's more important to know how to follow God, rather than trying to follow God. If you don't know how, your stuck repeating the same sins with conflict of "keeping" the law. You ought to get to the root, which is "how".

You say, do not covet, but to me you're not telling me how. I think this is the concern with some us who read yours and other's posts (unless there is a brother who thinks his faith is good without works).

No one is saying the laws are abolished, but fulfilling. I will say it...

I don't have to follow the law of God, I already fulfill it through the Spirit as in:

I don't have to worry about not coveting because if I'm content then I fulfill this commandment.
I don't have to worry about not murdering because if I have self-control then I fulfill this commandment.
I don't have to worry about adultery because if I stay faithful then I fulfill this commandment.
I don't have to worry about keeping the sabbath because of I have faith then I fulfill this commandment.

We are fulfilling it in the Spirit. You're trying us to do them, do them, do them because it was spoken to us, but don't you realize you're saying to keep the law of God instead of the law of Christ? We ought to teach what to do in the Spirit, then you will see we fulfill the law, that's what we are talking about brother.

Now I will bring back the sabbath commandment, that people here are bothered by. If we believe Christ have crucified our flesh, putting the works of the flesh to rest, then we keep what the law of God taught. Hebrews 4 explains, and my earlier post in your other thread as well, it says there remains a sabbath, not sabbath day, sabbath rest (v.9).

In verse 9-10 of that passage it says this, "So there remains a sabbath rest for the people of God. For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from His works, as God did from His."

So isn't that what all sabbath (high and regular) mean? Isn't the Sabbath of the week is because God rested from His work? So if this verse says we rested just as God did, then I'm obeying this command by entering His rest.

Brother, we don't disagree that grace is not a license to sin, but pressing us to follow the law, even though your under grace, is still legalistic. We are to walk in the Spirit and its fruits then we will do what the law commands, not go straight to the law to know how to follow. The law teaches but it doesn't train you in how to conduct yourself. We need spiritual commands not physical. Spiritual if done will do the physical automatically.

Remember it's the law of Christ we follow, not law given to Moses.

We are saved by faith.

I hope I blessed you with this message!

 

[Bryancampbell]

And sorry, I used the NASB, sucks when they want you to quote it everytime you use it publicly.