Illegal Aliens

AgeofKnowledge · Sep 2, 2014

Lost in America: Visa Program Struggles to Track Missing Foreign Students: Visa Program Struggles to Track Missing Foreign Students - ABC News

ICE official says, "some of them could do us harm."

^ No kidding. They already have. They've set up street gangs over the southern half of the nation and much of the rest of it also. Their cartels actually keep them on retainer so their "hits" are performed on U.S. soil.

Esanta · Sep 3, 2014

AgeofKnowledge said:

Have to be careful not to rope in deliberately criminal gangs (drug dealers, arms traffickers) who cross the border with refugee kids, which amount to about 40,000 a year. What is it the statue of Liberty says:

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses, yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

VCO · Sep 3, 2014

Esanta said:

What you DO NOT UNDERSTAND, is they are paying the Drug Cartel's Coyotes as much as $1000 per person to bring them across, SUPPORTING THE DRUG CARTELS INCOME big time. And then the Coyotes will in a heart beat abandon them locked in the back of an enclosed trailer in the heat, or abandoned in the desert with no water, if the U.S. Border Patrol gets close. THEY DO NOT CARE IF THEY DIE, THEY ALREADY GOT THEIR $1000 PER HEAD. They also use these illegals as mules to carry drugs (pot, cocaine, etc.) if they do not have the money to pay the coyotes to take them across.

NONE OF THAT WOULD BE HAPPENING IF THEY WOULD JUST GET THEIR NAMES ON THE LIST,
AND WAIT UNTIL IT WAS THEIR TURN TO IMMIGRATE LEGALLY.

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QUOTE: Trapped in scorching trailer -- 18 die / Immigrants abandoned at Texas truck stop

Lee Hockstader, Karin Brulliard, Washington Post

Published 4:00 am, Thursday, May 15, 2003

Trapped in scorching trailer -- 18 die / Immigrants abandoned at Texas truck stop - SFGate

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WAKE UP! Enforcing the Immigration Laws is the ONLY ANSWER!

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[SIZE=+2]14 Illegal Immigrants Die in Desert[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]By Giovanna Dell'orto
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Associated Press Writer
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Thursday, May 24, 2001; 9:02 a.m. EDT

[/SIZE]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010524/aponline090219_000.htm

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MCALLEN - Four people connected to the Palmview 9 case were sentenced in federal court. Nine illegal immigrants died in April 2012, after the minivan they were in rolled over during a high-speed chase.
http://www.krgv.com/news/4-sentenced-in-palmview-9-case/

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Early Heat Wave Kills 12 Illegal Immigrants in the Arizona Desert

By
NICK MADIGAN
Published: May 26, 2005

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/26/national/26heat.html
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BP rescues 27 people abandoned by smugglers
Agents also find body of man
Posted Oct 4, 2011, 10:51 am

Janet Rose Jackman
TucsonSentinel.com

BP rescues 27 people abandoned by smugglers
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By JAMES STERNGOLD
Published: May 25, 2001

Local and federal officials painted a devastating picture today of a smuggling operation that killed at least 14 young Mexican immigrants in Arizona, saying a ''coyote'' had apparently abandoned more than two dozen men in one of the country's most brutal and desolate stretches of desert on Saturday with little water and no preparation.
A dozen who survived the ordeal, in 115-degree temperatures, were in a hospital in Yuma today. One of them, a 16-year-old, was in critical condition.
Though dozens die every year trying to cross illegally into Arizona from Mexico, this was the area's worst single incident in memory. In 1980, 13 illegally immigrating Salvadorans died in Arizona.

Devastating Picture Of Immigrants Dead In Arizona Desert - NYTimes.com

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ETC., ETC., ETC., ETC.

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Do you have see the bodies before you will understand?
FORCING THEM TO GO BY OUR LAWS IS LOVE.
IT IS CALLED "TUFF LOVE", AND THOSE LAWS
ARE FOR EVERYONE'S OWN GOOD.

Esanta · Sep 3, 2014

Don't be stupid, of course it would still happen; Mexico's run by drug lords. You can't actually expect people in broken, violent, drug-fuelled countries where cartels have more power than government to just sit pretty and be patient while they're getting screwed in every conceivable way. Would you?? They're gonna cross, whether you like it or not.

The question is how do you react; with 'shoulda, woulda', or with some humanity?

newbirth · Sep 3, 2014

Esanta said:

kinda like God bless Americans and nobody else ......where your treasure is there your heart will be... in the mad exodus only illegal immigrant is seen... no displaced, no poor, no needy...so there is no mercy....

VCO · Sep 5, 2014

newbirth said:

Then does that mean it is okay to BIG wave of illegal immigrants down to you guys?

Here we treat EVERYONE alike.

We make them ALL go by the LAWS,

And put the multiple offenders in Prison.

VCO · Sep 5, 2014

According to the United States Border Patrol, 1,954 people died crossing the U.S–Mexico border between the years 1998-2004.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrant_deaths_along_the_Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_border

Number of LEGAL immigrants that DIED crossing the U.S. border LEGALLY in the same period = 0

We love them enough to want to MAKE THEM GO BY THE RULES.

A_Friend_In_Christ · Sep 5, 2014

Follow the rules and save lives. Amen

newbirth · Sep 5, 2014

VCO said:

That is the kingdom of God you are describing.....

VCO · Sep 5, 2014

newbirth said:

I am sorry, I left out some words. My fingers did not keep up with my brain:

Then does that mean it is okay to SEND THE NEXT BIG wave of illegal immigrants down to you guys?

NO, OBEYING RULES IS WHAT GOD EXPECTS US TO DO HERE AND NOW in the physical realm, as well as spiritual. DISOBEYING RULES IS SIN!

1 Peter 2:13-15 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

newbirth · Sep 5, 2014

VCO said:

I am sorry, I left out some words. My fingers did not keep up with my brain:

Then does that mean it is okay to SEND THE NEXT BIG wave of illegal immigrants down to you guys?

NO, OBEYING RULES IS WHAT GOD EXPECTS US TO DO HERE AND NOW in the physical realm, as well as spiritual. DISOBEYING RULES IS SIN!

1 Peter 2:13-15 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

those verses are for believers.....I am not sure if the leaders are Christians...but believers must be merciful and not selfish

VCO · Sep 5, 2014

newbirth said:

Last time I checked, the VAST majority of Central American Citizens are Catholic.
They must think it is okay to cheat as long as they go to Confession.

Besides real believers play by the RULES. Believe me, the way you are talking, I do not want to play a Computer Game with you, without some form of anti-cheat mode turned on.

newbirth · Sep 5, 2014

VCO said:

Does that make them your enemy? God will judge everyman according to his works....we must practice showing mercy, love and compassion...and be more like Christ

VCO · Sep 5, 2014

newbirth said:

Mercy is stopping them from crossing illegally, because many die in the desert. My friends go by RULES. A true Christian helps to enforce the Rules and abides by them, GOD SAYS SO. HOW ON GOD's green earth do you Associate breaking Rules that GOD commanded us to obey, as mercy, love, and compassion. IT IS SIN, REPENT! No where in the BIBLE does it say HELPING PEOPLE BREAK THE LAW is a good thing.

Romans 12:9 (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.

Crossing the border illegally is EVIL, it is breaking the LAW. Enforcing the LAW equally is good, and so is supporting Law Enforcement. If you do not report a thief when you are an eye witness, then you are guilty of aiding and abetting criminal activity, and belong in the cell with him. The same is true about Immigration Laws.

Giving them all the water and food they need as they are returned to Mexico, or to prison if it is their Second offense, is LOVE.

Isaiah 5:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness, who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

The_Wanderer · Sep 5, 2014

FireHeart said:

In a sense, they are getting charity. They're taking jobs away from Americans who are unemployed. Corporations love both illegal and legal mass immigration, because it drives down wages.

VCO · Sep 5, 2014

The_Wanderer said:

You got that right. I used to live near a major meat packing plant in Nebraska that hired a LOT of illegals. They were famous for paying them cash under the table, and then cooked the books to make it look like they had paid them the legal minimum wage, when in reality they had paid them quite a bit less then minimum. The Department of Immigration would raid them periodically, and fine the meat packing plant. They would laugh and pay their fine, because it was always way less than paying the full minimum wage would have cost them. The illegals would be sent back to Mexico, and it would take them about two weeks to get back to Nebraska working for the same crooked bosses. That is why I am for passing a Law that carries a mandatory Two Year Prison Sentence for any employer that hires illegals.

VCO · Sep 7, 2014

newbirth said:

I will let you in on a little secret. Those type of con-game tricks to try to get me to bend or break rules, did not work when I was a Volunteer Prison Chaplain, and they will not work now.

VCO · Sep 7, 2014

Border Deaths Spike 27 Percent, Even As Immigration From Mexico Drops, Report Says

The Huffington Post | By Roque Planas
Posted: 03/20/2013 1:47 pm EDT

Deaths along the U.S.-Mexico border spiked 27 percent last year, according to a report released Tuesday that calls for the implementation of a guest worker program to stem the number of deaths.
In 2012, 477 migrants lost their lives attempting to cross the U.S.-Mexico border -- up from 375 the year before, according to the report by the National Foundation for American Policy titled “How Many More Deaths? The Moral Case for a Temporary Worker Program.” That figure is the highest since 2005, when 492 migrants died.

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The number of deaths caused by crossing LEGALLY, remains at 0.

Secure our borders NOW, to stop illegal entry.
Love them enough to make them go by the rules of immigration.

AgeofKnowledge · Sep 11, 2014

This is odd. The U.S. border patrol fined two white Canadians $5k for entering the U.S. illegally but Obama's trying to give amnesty and welfare to between ten and twenty million Hispanic illegals. Let's see $5k times 12 million equals $60 billion into the U.S. Treasury. That would be nice. But if Obama succeeds, of course, it will COST far far more than $60 billion as they flock onto the welfare and stay on it generation to generation.

American fined $5,000 for border jump with bike - Washington Times

Flamingspirit · Sep 11, 2014

I wish you all would look up what these words actually mean in law. By contract through our birth certificates, every "US CITIZEN" is by law, an alien. They are foreigners on their own land!

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