I'm new and I have questions!!!

Bookends · Dec 30, 2017

Kes said:

Welcome to the family of God and CC; and the chaos. We all should be united in Christ and agree on the essential's of God's salvation to mankind. All other non-essentials we disagree and argue passionately without hopefully losing our own dignity.

question 1) I like Magenta's answer.

question 2) I think we all have misconceptions about hell. Paul in Romans says that the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). Also, Paul in 2 Thessalonians (1:9) says those who do not know God will face eternal destruction (not life). That said, I know God to be a righteous God and will give each godless person his/her due punishment.

question 3) The whole bible doesn't paintbrush anything, and tells as it is. All the Godly men and women of the bible had their faults (some faults just were not mentioned such as maybe Joseph son of Jacob, Mary, and Enoch in Genesis 5). Peter denying Christ as a new believer just reveals how weak we really are as humans. But as we grow, God enables us and we grow to become more Christ like with the Holy Spirit with in us. Later in Peter's life, we know he was Martyred and hung on a cross upside down. When it really mattered or after his own spiritual growth, he didn't deny Christ (could have to save his own life, but didn't).

Hizikyah · Dec 30, 2017

Kes said:

John 17:12, "“When I was with them in the world, I was guarding them in Your Name which You have given Me, and I watched over them, and not one of them perished except the son of destruction, that the Scripture might be filled."

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 46:10, “Declaring the end from the beginning, and from of old that which has not yet been done, saying, ‘My counsel does stand, and all My delight I do.”[/FONT]

YHWH knows the path every human will take, He sijmply allowed Judas to be in a position to work for YHWH's plan and advantage, to fulfill what had to be done according to the Scriptures of YHWH.

[/QUOTE]2) If God knows that humans all have wicked hearts but He loves us anyway, then why would he allow hell to exist or allow people to end up there?[/QUOTE]

He cre4ated us will free will:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 11:4, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]is in His holy temple; [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]throne is in heaven; His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 1:12-18, “Blessed is the man who does endure trial, for when he has been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which the Master has promised to those who love Him. Let no one say when he is enticed, “I am enticed by Yah,” for Yah is not enticed by evil matters, and He entices no one. But each one is enticed when he is drawn away by his own desires and trapped. hen, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin. And sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death. Do not go astray, my beloved brothers. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of light, with whom there is no change, nor shadow of turning. Having purposed it, He brought us forth by the Word of truth, for us to be a kind of first-fruits of His creatures.”

Joshua 24:15, “And if it seems evil in your eyes to serve [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], choose for yourselves this day whom you are going to serve, whether the mighty ones which your fathers served that were beyond the River, or the mighty ones of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But I and my house, we serve [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”

John 7:17, “If anyone chooses to do His desire, he shall know concerning the teaching, whether it is from YHWH, or whether I speak from Myself.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 12:25-26, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. He who loves his life shall lose it, and he who hates his life in this world shall preserve it for everlasting life." Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 25:31-46, “And when the Son of Aḏam comes in His esteem, and all the set-apart messengers with Him, then He shall sit on the throne of His esteem. And all the nations shall be gathered before Him, and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the Sovereign shall say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the reign prepared for you from the foundation of the world for I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry and we fed You, or thirsty and gave You to drink? And when did we see You a stranger and took You in, or naked and clothed You? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and we came to You? And the Sovereign shall answer and say to them, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me. He shall then also say to those on the left hand, ‘Go away from Me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his messengers for I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, was naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me. Then they also shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You? Then He shall answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Malachi 3:14-18, “You have said, ‘It is worthless to serve Yah. And what did we gain when we guarded His Charge, and when we walked as mourners before [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts? And now we are calling the proud blessed – not only are the doers of wrongness built up, but they also try Yah and escape. Then shall those who fear [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]speak to one another, and [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]listens and hears, and a book of remembrance be written before Him, of those who fear [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and those who think upon His Name. And they shall be Mine,” said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts, “on the day that I prepare a treasured possession. And I shall spare them as a man spares his own son who serves him. Then you shall again see the difference between the righteous and the wrong, between one who serves Yah and one who does not serve Him."[/FONT]

[/QUOTE]3)What was the significance of Peter denying he knew Jesus? Why did he do it? And why did Jesus predict it?

Thank you in advance for all your help![/QUOTE]

There are many theories about this, I personally think there are many lesson here, the main one being self reflection and the fact that humans stumble, we don't know what is in our future even if we say or think we know, we have to keep believeing and focusing on Him and if we do we will be on the right path.

valiant · Dec 30, 2017

Kes said:

Welcome Kes.

Read John 6.70-71 in context. When He chose Judas He knew either that he WAS a devil literally, or that he had already sold himself to the Devil. More probably the latter. Judas had chosen his own path, and he was following it through. There was no question that he would betray Jesus. That was why he had become 'a disciple'. The only question was when and how?

Jesus gave him every opportunity to repent. But both Judas, and Jesus Who knew the hearts of men, knew that he would not.

Judas was not sacrificed, He had already sacrificed himself.

garee · Dec 30, 2017

Hi welcome to the mix.

My grammar suffers. I hope you can put up with my rambling and perhaps gain some understanding.

Study to try and learn the difference between hearing God as the "things of God" not seen as he gives us supernatural ears to hear.... between that and of the things of men who offer their own ideas called private interpretations...our fingerprint.

How do we hear God among all the opinions as private interpretations? No short cuts .. but there are many warning and prescriptions from the doctor of our soul on how.

One thing I would suggest is to try and learn what it means to walk by faith, the unseen. 2 Corinthians 4:18 makes a great tool for rightly dividing the parables.

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal

Its helps aid our understanding when walking by faith (the unseen invisible working of God who does work in the heart of man to both will and perform his good pleasure as a imputed righteousness. Coming from our new faith as the Spirit does give us supernatural ears to hear in order to unlock the mysteries of the parables..

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made,( 2Co 4:18 ) even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Rom 1:19

I would suggest in respect to Judas that he was set aside as an negative example to be used in various parables in respect the word metaphor twelve, with twelve representing the authority of a matter as to whatever is in view. The twelve apostles are remnant of all listed (27)

Saints on this side of the cross as apostles (sent ones) represent all who will become saved as born again as those who have passed from death to eternal life. They are used in Revelation 21 to describe the bride of Christ the church as living stones that does make up the spiritual house of God not seen..

Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Judas is not part of that number metaphor.

In the Old testament the tribe of Dan is used in the same way to represent unbelief as those who are deceived by the father of lies , the serpent, with the poison of false doctrine as oral traditions of men
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Dan like Moses is used to typify the law of God as to the letter in so much that it kills. Like Moses it will not enter the promised land the new heavenly Jerusalem .And therefore the tribe of Dan is eliminated in the listing in the book of Revelation. Not one jot of tittle will be removed from the perfect law until we receive the promise of faith our new incorruptible bodies.

Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward. Gen 49:16

The Old testament saints are represented by the twelve as gates by which we enter into fellowship with the Holy Spirit the Spirit of Christ. Together with the walls as apostles(sent ones) they make up the one bride of Christ, the church.

Another thing I noticed is the phrase (so that his rider shall fall backward) is falling backward is used throughout the scriptures to represent those under the fiery judgment of God in many places. .

I will offer a few .

Jeremiah 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

Isaiah 44:25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;

Isaiah 1:4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward.

Isaiah 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken

Again Dan and Judah were both used to indicate a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.Joh 18:5

It makes me wonder in regard to the Pentecostal oral tradition of falling backward slain in the spirit ideology?

p_rehbein · Dec 30, 2017

Some well thought out and well researched answers...........but have you guys noticed that he/she has not returned?

(just saying)

Kes · Jan 28, 2018

I promise you I am not trying to be a troll. I was an atheist for the first twenty years of my life so these are the questions and doubts I legitimately have. I am not trying to poke holes, but looking for answers to fill the ones I have been told about my whole life. Scouts honour

p_rehbein · Jan 29, 2018

So, lemme get this right........from the time you first drew breath until you were 20 years old, you did not believe there was a God, is that right? I wonder how a four year old determines that there is no God? Hmm...........

You may or may not be a troll, but I do not believe you are what you are representing yourself to be ........... but, now, that may just be me..........

Kes said:

hornetguy · Jan 29, 2018

p_rehbein said:

So, lemme get this right........from the time you first drew breath until you were 20 years old, you did not believe there was a God, is that right? I wonder how a four year old determines that there is no God? Hmm...........

You may or may not be a troll, but I do not believe you are what you are representing yourself to be ........... but, now, that may just be me..........

Time will tell, Tembo.... we wait and observe....

mailmandan · Jan 29, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Amen! Judas was an unbelieving, unclean devil who would betray Jesus (John 6:64-71; 13:10-11) and Jesus knew this from the beginning.

John 6:64 - But there are some of you who do not believe. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.

John 17:12 - While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

John 13:18 - I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, 'He who eats bread with Me has lifted up his heel against Me.'

Syllogism

1. All given by the Father to Christ are kept.
2. Judas was not kept.
3. Judas was not given to Christ by the Father

Or, this way.

1. None of those given to Christ by the Father will be lost by Jesus.
2. Judas is lost.
3. Judas was not given to Christ by the Father.

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Bookends

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