I'm sick of arguing.

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amen to that a good soilder of christ endures until the end, "when you silent your also strong" or like a wine skin ready to burst"
ready to do gods work. we endure are brothers in pain and stay a true loyal friend as you would also not turn your back on your faith and belief that jsus christ is our saviour and through jesus we are free. amen.

amen to that

What more can i say push that front gate open and walk straight on like a true soilder knock seek and find the door will be opened if you seek jesus with all your heart and remain a true friend to amen
 
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OH YEAH! LOOKING FORWARD TO ETERNITY - I'M TIREDBUT I WILL FIGHT THE BATTLE UNTIL I'M DEAD, GOD PERMITTING. THIS IS THE BIGGESTWITNESS FOR US TO ENDURE UNTIL THE END.
This is the best video of this song I have everseen. Thank you so much for giving to the Lord. Keep it up, Brother.
Glad you liked it horayyyyy "i searhed long and hard ha just for you and for everyone else too it is nice ans some nice treasures too.

eh its not all that bad is is? "We have our up and downs but we put it right "remember a a loyal soilder of christ.
anyways i came across this too. its good to share. (has anyone got any cool youtube vids
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Arguments about scripture clearly indicate that somebody has it wrong. Get over doctrinal beliefs and if there is a difference in understanding allow yourself to be edified via the Truth that is confirmed in scripture. If you cannot bring yourself to do that, your self image takes precedence instead of our Father and Creator of all things.
I stopped studying with you because you have become contentious over the issue of the Law. You have openly said that if anyone disagrees with you, they are not saved. Your teachings of the Law is one thing, but you are no different than any other person who teaches saved by Grace. I am sure you will claim what you are teaching is truth and eveyone else is living a lie.

Here you seem to be suggesting you are correct and everyone else is wrong. In my eyes you are no different than anyone else in the room(arguing over Grace and the Law) You may not see this, but I do.

You want to lead in the BS room in your teaching of the Law and you want everyone to agree with you, leaving no room for others to grow in Gods timing. However there are others just as knowlegeable as you are who disagree. When they disagree you too get angry. It is the nature of the chat room. You should not set yourself apart, because you are no different.

My suggestion to you would be to find new believers (still on milk) and gather them into a room and they will not argue with you. I do not claim to have great knowlege or wisdom, but I do not hang around anyone who starts telling me or anyone else they are NOT saved. God himself will teach me and God himself will place you in a position of teaching when you know how to teach. He will also bring people to you who will learn.

I have hope that pointing this out will somehow help you in seeing yourself as others may see you.
 
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i think this is for every one walking and just you should try to understan exactly what walking is saying.

a few time you have said not to bring this up right now just-me but pople do need to get things of there chest no disrepect to you brother
 
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I stopped studying with you because you have become contentious over the issue of the Law. You have openly said that if anyone disagrees with you, they are not saved. Your teachings of the Law is one thing, but you are no different than any other person who teaches saved by Grace. I am sure you will claim what you are teaching is truth and eveyone else is living a lie.
Here you seem to be suggesting you are correct and everyone else is wrong. In my eyes you are no different than anyone else in the room(arguing over Grace and the Law) You may not see this, but I do.
Thank you for your input. I'm surprised you waited this long to exhort, and explain why you have reacted toward my wife and I as you have. It is always good to meditate about one's faults that others point out. For the sake of others who are reading this thread, I would sincerely like you to point out, as close as you can, the faults I have in specific, concerning my beliefs and how I cause contention because of them. May our God that sees all things correct me and others, and judge with His righteousness so we can grow in His grace. Thank you for talking with me finally. It would have been better though, if you had talked to me immediately before you talked to others about me.
 
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Thank you for your input. I'm surprised you waited this long to exhort, and explain why you have reacted toward my wife and I as you have. It is always good to meditate about one's faults that others point out. For the sake of others who are reading this thread, I would sincerely like you to point out, as close as you can, the faults I have in specific, concerning my beliefs and how I cause contention because of them. May our God that sees all things correct me and others, and judge with His righteousness so we can grow in His grace. Thank you for talking with me finally. It would have been better though, if you had talked to me immediately before you talked to others about me.
actually just-me a friend of mine here told me that you was upset over me and you went and talked to him befor you talked to me .
so please practice what you preach.

i think its good to clear the air and sort our differences out.
because in that way maybe we can have a better bible study. after listening to you one night for the best part of an hour befor i spoke i was not to happy when i was more or less told not to speak by yourself but i let it go but then you told me that i can now read next after which you left the room. i was left wondering thinking hes told me more or less shut up and then he tells me to read and before i read you leave the room. for me if you want to ask someone to read it would be because you wanted to listen but i felt like you where trying to control the room.

i would like it if we could not fall out and i know you and you lovely wife do have a passion for christ god doesnt want division it is time all this came to stop
 
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Here you seem to be suggesting you are correct and everyone else is wrong. In my eyes you are no different than anyone else in the room(arguing over Grace and the Law) You may not see this, but I do.
If these scriptures cause contention, even though I haven't participated in the BS near as much as I have been participating reading the Bible in the SB and now in the youedify it's not me that causes the problem. I didn't write the following.
Psalm 1:1-2
Psalm 37:30-31, Jeremiah 31:33, Hebrews 10:16-17
Psalm 40:6-8
Psalm 119:41-45, James 1:22-25
Psalm 119:163
Isaiah 30:8-10, 2 Timothy 4:1-4
Isaiah 51:7-8
The Strong’s Concordance defines the law in the
Gospels listed below as ‘food for grazing’… this should be related to manna in the Exodus
Matthew 5:17-20, John 5:44-47
Matthew 7:12, Matthew 22:37-39, Leviticus 19:15-18 obviously not a new law ‘Love your brother as yourself’
Luke 2:22-24, Romans 12:1
Luke 10:26-28, Deuteronomy 6:1-6 this also is obviously not a new law
Luke 24:44-45 Law=food for grazing (concerning me)
John 1:45, Deuteronomy 18:15-19
John 12:34, Psalm 72:17-19, Isaiah 9:6-7
 
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actually just-me a friend of mine here told me that you was upset over me and you went and talked to him befor you talked to me .
so please practice what you preach.
I asked Prodigal what your anger was that I didn't understand when you followed me and others to another room. I asked him if he knew what your outburst was all about. I was very surprised with your reaction and couldn't understand how you felt. I thought that he would get back to me so I could understand but he didn't. I could have asked you what your problem was with me right off, and I should have done that in retrospect. It's just that your actions blew me away. I didn't ask him to talk to you about the situation, he volunteered.

i think its good to clear the air and sort our differences out.
because in that way maybe we can have a better bible study. after listening to you one night for the best part of an hour befor i spoke i was not to happy when i was more or less told not to speak by yourself but i let it go but then you told me that i can now read next after which you left the room. i was left wondering thinking hes told me more or less shut up and then he tells me to read and before i read you leave the room. for me if you want to ask someone to read it would be because you wanted to listen but i felt like you where trying to control the room.
I'm sorry that you got upset about what was a different time and a different place just reading the Bible through starting at the beginning. You could have talked to me then rather than get upset at a later time even in a different room. If a person wants to read the Bible as we do in the youedify room that's great I would rather have somebody else read than myself. I like to listen. I think reading the Bible as we have been doing is good and everybody can follow along. I wish you would have talked to me then rather than let things escalate and then because of me not knowing what is going on I can't respond. The Bible says that if you have a problem with someone go to him and work it out. I have never had a problem with you, because you didn't do anything that I thought was wrong, but it was obvious you had a problem with me and I didn't have any idea what it was until today.
 

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Well for me, there was a lot to view as it has taken me a while to go through this forum to get a whole picture of whats been said before i give my opinion. Especially going through Quicks videos ! LOL

But i was there last night, not unlike many other nights or days for that matter. And yes things do get said and people do allow their words to carry weight to their feelings and thus things get heated. We are human. We cant do anything about that, except rely on the Lords strength to know without Him we are all in the same boat. Weak, infallible, frail and hopeless. I am as guilty of this as anyone is!

Theirs not one of us who can say, i am perfect and have the intelligence the expertise nor the wisdom of the FULL truth of knowledge of God to be and DO 100% righteous and just. NO, not 1!

So then if we all know this to be true, why do we persist to continue on on the BSR the way we do? Stilly already spoke on it earlier in this thread. (And Stilly, you did a magnificent job) We all come from different backgrounds and need to understand the nature of all our differences on many levels.

Think of it. How many of us have families that we cant even get along with? Work associates, or neighbors that we disagree with that might RUB us the wrong way? We might even move, or get a new job just to get away from them for the very reason to stop the arguing only to find we have moved next door to a person who is ten times worse!

Sometimes God places people in our paths for a reason at times in our lives for teaching us things. Not saying always, but when we pray things like show me more of you Lord and help me to grow and learn how to come up higher or how to walk closer to you! When we pray things like make me more like you Jesus, then we have to expect something hard to follow... Its inevitable. So why do we not think He will use other people to do these things to help us overcome our own weaknesses?

Many people want a tremendous testimony, but don't want to go through the test to get it. God is trying to teach us all humility, patience and love all by using us to rub off on each other to smooth out the flaws like a diamond in the rough. We are all diamonds in Gods eyes. But we need purifying and we need to get in the fire and its hot in there. And not a fun place to be. But we all need to endure it in order to come up higher in His glorious Kingdom. And He will give us rest!

When things like this happen, for me, i try to ignore those who i see let their feelings take them to a level where it gets out of bounds, but only for a time. Then i either leave or I can also make sure i put on the Armour of God! This is an important factor we all need to use. For when its put on correctly, feelings wont get hurt, and stones wont get throne to harm anyone.

As for using the BSR for only that? I have been in their and no BS was going on, its boring? But we have shared fun during those times. That is when i have got to know and love my brothers and sisters more and deeper to come to see their individuality and know them for who they are. I now know their backgrounds and their sense of humor and treasure each one they know mine! :) The BSR is the main room now that i go to. For all my friends are there. Yes i like the study of course. But mostly due to my friends you see. This to me is very important.

See if we truly study the Word properly in BSR. Then we would know that the true WORD was so much more than we all could ever know! He was everything! HE had fellowship with his disciples and ate with them. He laughed and cried with them. He prayed with them and even wept with them. To me, this is what the BSR is about, for its about learning who Jesus Christ really is! And how can you learn who He is and say we walk the walk and not talk the talk in a room that's all about Him and not DO what He did?

I was shown to be a living example and so for me this is all i know. If i am wrong, so be it and i pray the Holy Spirit will show me and i always pray that i am open enough for guidance to let correction to sway my stinking thinking to His holy Word.

We are all nothing if we don't conform to a new way of thinking and a new way of understanding as well a new way of living! But we cant do it alone, and we cant do it without CHRIST! We also cant conform and should not expect people to conform totally all at once, and have it perfect just because they are a Christian. For none are perfect. Too many times i think that is assumed and this is also wrong. Baby Christians need more of a break, as do many others who get condemned.

All i can say is, saying i love like Christ and walking like Christ are two different things.

I wonder what would happen if we all were to really treat every single person as though they WERE CHRIST in the flesh as it says in the scriptures to always think the best of them regardless and give them the benefit of the doubt first before we talk or act.. If this would make a difference? Hmm You think God knew what He was talking about! As Joe would say "Just saying" :)

Love you all :cool:
 
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Quickfire,
By the way, I don't think anybody in the Bible reading would like it if only one person demanded to read without anybody else having input. Besides, there is a whistle that goes off so that doesn't happen. You might want to ask ToborEtamitu if he remembers what I don't. The only thing I do remember about asking you to read is that one time I did that, there were two nights in particular that were real bad with the freezing and no sound, etc. problems. It could well have been one of those times, because we enjoy your reading and input and questions, and would not have left as a rude gesture. There was a time when I was talking with wdeaton and it was a complicated topic - one new Christians wouldn't be able to digest so it could cause them to stumble - so we went to another room. It wasn't a private conversation as such and several people, including you, followed us there. I recall that day that I did have the mic for quite a while as I read a paper I had in my hand.
 
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I asked Prodigal what your anger was that I didn't understand when you followed me and others to another room. I asked him if he knew what your outburst was all about. I was very surprised with your reaction and couldn't understand how you felt. I thought that he would get back to me so I could understand but he didn't. I could have asked you what your problem was with me right off, and I should have done that in retrospect. It's just that your actions blew me away. I didn't ask him to talk to you about the situation, he volunteered.



I'm sorry that you got upset about what was a different time and a different place just reading the Bible through starting at the beginning. You could have talked to me then rather than get upset at a later time even in a different room. If a person wants to read the Bible as we do in the youedify room that's great I would rather have somebody else read than myself. I like to listen. I think reading the Bible as we have been doing is good and everybody can follow along. I wish you would have talked to me then rather than let things escalate and then because of me not knowing what is going on I can't respond. The Bible says that if you have a problem with someone go to him and work it out. I have never had a problem with you, because you didn't do anything that I thought was wrong, but it was obvious you had a problem with me and I didn't have any idea what it was until today.

actually i dont have a problem with you never have like i told you i let it go and you knew exactly what i was upset about that night when prodical was there because i told you ? and if i have got a problem i do say what it is.

so now i do have a problem because now your trying to make out that your reason for speaking to prodical was to find out why i said what i did that night in the youedify room when you know fine well i told you exactly what i was upset about that night befor i left and you know fine well i did just-me.
so the fact that you have gone to prodical and talked to him to try and make out there was some other reason for me being not to happy about what you where saying just says one thing and that you can not own up to your own responsabilities. and then trying to use this as an excuse for not practicing what you preach on my behalf is for me verry imature and rude. Not verry honourable at all. whats more just-me you seem to be verry quick to bring personal conversations about your friends into an open public discussion which is wrong dont you think.

i am disapointed just-me. and i am sad because some of my friends who have been my friends for a long time to here are also not happy .

so when is it going to stop
 
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Not verry honourable at all. whats more just-me you seem to be verry quick to bring personal conversations about your friends into an open public discussion which is wrong dont you think.
I agree, it should have been kept private. Here is what you posted before I mentioned anything.

actually just-me a friend of mine here told me that you was upset over me and you went and talked to him befor you talked to me .
so please practice what you preach.

i think its good to clear the air and sort our differences out.
because in that way maybe we can have a better bible study. after listening to you one night for the best part of an hour befor i spoke i was not to happy when i was more or less told not to speak by yourself but i let it go but then you told me that i can now read next after which you left the room. i was left wondering thinking hes told me more or less shut up and then he tells me to read and before i read you leave the room. for me if you want to ask someone to read it would be because you wanted to listen but i felt like you where trying to control the room.

i would like it if we could not fall out and i know you and you lovely wife do have a passion for christ god doesnt want division it is time all this came to stop
 
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It would have been better though, if you had talked to me immediately before you talked to others about me.
This sounds like play ground drama. I dont talk about you behind your back.

I have had a few people ask me why I no longer attend the evening bible study and I have told them why. I chose to stop attending BS with you, when you started saying people are NOT saved if they do not agree with you in terms of the Law and Grace.

The reason I posted on this thread, is because you seem to set yourself apart as a victim and not see how you contribute to the division. This is a chat room, with many good people who do not all agree on everything. Your niche in teaching is better off with new believers(milk) that will not dispute with you.

I do not care to listen anymore, because the issue of the Law is constantly brought up, followed by you saying if anyone disagrees with you they are NOT saved. I do not care to participate for that reason. That is my choice. Saddly enough I think I agree with your theology , but I know that no man can judge anothers salvation. Since this is a chat site, it is not the mods responsibilty to protect your view point. It is your responsibility to leave or remain quiet. The same as I did in regard to your bible study.

Apparently I am not alone here. I was not involved in pms behind your back or anything. I would ask you , if the most recent argument was over the Law again? It is not your message that is wrong, it is how you deliver it that is wrong.
 
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Just an average day at cc:cool:

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This sounds like play ground drama. I dont talk about you behind your back.

I have had a few people ask me why I no longer attend the evening bible study and I have told them why. I chose to stop attending BS with you, when you started saying people are NOT saved if they do not agree with you in terms of the Law and Grace.
Now your first statement seems to be negated by your second - don't talk behind anyone's back, huh? sounds like that is just exactly what you did when you "told them why." Just an inconsistency I noticed in your rhetoric.


The reason I posted on this thread, is because you seem to set yourself apart as a victim and not see how you contribute to the division. This is a chat room, with many good people who do not all agree on everything. Your niche in teaching is better off with new believers(milk) that will not dispute with you.

I do not care to listen anymore, because the issue of the Law is constantly brought up, followed by you saying if anyone disagrees with you they are NOT saved. I do not care to participate for that reason. That is my choice. Saddly enough I think I agree with your theology , but I know that no man can judge anothers salvation. Since this is a chat site, it is not the mods responsibilty to protect your view point. It is your responsibility to leave or remain quiet. The same as I did in regard to your bible study.
I was going to stay out of this because of how bad it would look for me to comment, but I cannot sit by and watch ANYONE be lied about whether it is someone in my family or not, and this is a lie. There is absolutely NO way just-me said or believes any such thing as someone not believing the law is still relevant cannot possibly be saved. That is hogwash! More than likely, it was the emails you requested that he replied to with study info that you got your strange thoughts from.

I was not involved in pms behind your back or anything.
In math, 2+2=4 and I can add.
 
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Not verry honourable at all. whats more just-me you seem to be verry quick to bring personal conversations about your friends into an open public discussion which is wrong dont you think.


posted by just-me agree, it should have been kept private. Here is what you posted before I mentioned anything.
, it should have been kept private. Here is what you posted before I mentioned anything.


Originally Posted by Quickfire

actually just-me a friend of mine here told me that you was upset over me and you went and talked to him befor you talked to me .
so please practice what you preach.

i think its good to clear the air and sort our differences out.
because in that way maybe we can have a better bible study. after listening to you one night for the best part of an hour befor i spoke i was not to happy when i was more or less told not to speak by yourself but i let it go but then you told me that i can now read next after which you left the room. i was left wondering thinking hes told me more or less shut up and then he tells me to read and before i read you leave the room. for me if you want to ask someone to read it would be because you wanted to listen but i felt like you where trying to control the room.

i would like it if we could not fall out and i know you and you lovely wife do have a passion for christ god doesnt want division it is time all this came to stop


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this is me drawing a line now just-me because now your trying to make out im a hipacrit instead of owing up to your own responsabilities.

i dont know what your motive is just-me but i dont like it and its starting to stink.

this is what you posted befor i posted any personal converstaion between you and i and was there a need to mention prodical in this i kept his name private until you spirted it out i said a friend of mine

Originally Posted by just-me
I talked to you in the chat yesterday and you asked if I enjoyed the videos you sent. If they are particularly for me, why not send them in a private message as I doubt anyone else will get the message you are trying to send to me. Your call. If you have a message for me, lets talk about it and you can relay the message to me the way the Bible says to do it.

do you still want devision justime because im through with this pettieness

was there a need to post that above just me or could you have pmed me to deep and personal to me
 
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Quickfire,
All I did was agree with you that it should be kept private! I have already contacted Prodigal and told him I exposed his name on this thread.
Facts are facts. God's Word says "judgement is Mine saith the Lord." I am not judging you at all. Before I wrote this I prayed for you AND myself. I am not arguing nor am I accusing you of anything. I do not,however, understand your arguments against me.
Call me "brain-dead" - that's fine... because I have called myself brain-dead many times. This sin't the first time I have been stoned.
 
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Now your first statement seems to be negated by your second - don't talk behind anyone's back, huh....
You seem to be suggesting that if a friend ask me why I no longer attend the evening bible studies, it is about you. Hummm , No it was about ME, not being there. **crossed my eyes**This is in no way slander against you, it is my choice. Some people have discernment sooner than others. Your sarcasm is starting to surface. Again if anyone ask me why I chose to do or NOT do something, I will honestly provide an answer. This is in no way talking behind YOUR back.

Not sure what your point is, my point is , you are as guilty as anyone, when it comes to division, the (I'm sick of arguing thread) . Suggesting/blaming everyone else, without looking in the mirror. Then you blame the mods and then suggest it is the reason the donations are low and people talking behind your back etc.......From my view point your comments on the mods and donations and people talking behind your back makes no sense at all.....


I asked what the reason was for the lastest argument, was it about the Law again?
 
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[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. [SUP]5 [/SUP]It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. [SUP]7 [/SUP]It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
 
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