In Common

[Rock022]

This creed was the same creed as to when the they where discussing which books should go in the bible.

The Nicene Creed

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

[For those who do not know catholic means universal]

 

[Grandpa]

This creed was the same creed as to when the they where discussing which books should go in the bible.

The Nicene Creed

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

[For those who do not know catholic means universal]

Consubstantial with the Father?? What does that mean?

And what is the one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins??

 

[Grandpa]

We should all agree...

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth.
And in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit,
and born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended into hell.
On the third day He rose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty.
From thence He will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Christian Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.[

I like this one. Except what is communion of saints?

 

[weakness]

Paul spoke against denominational ism. Maybe that at the root of some of these problems???? " I'm of Paul, I'm of Apollos.....Even I'm of Christ, seeming to say even non denomination are denominations.

 

[Rock022]

Consubstantial means of the same substance.

H2O can be Ice, Liquid or Vapor.
All three like Father, Son and Holy Spirit are made up of the same substance God

One Baptism for the forgiveness of sins. Baptism is a sacrament, a sacred rite. Once it is all that is needed, confession of sins helps us stay clean.

communion of saints = a spiritual union of the church, those on earth and those in heaven

 

[Grandpa]

Consubstantial means of the same substance.

H2O can be Ice, Liquid or Vapor.
All three like Father, Son and Holy Spirit are made up of the same substance God

One Baptism for the forgiveness of sins. Baptism is a sacrament, a sacred rite. Once it is all that is needed, confession of sins helps us stay clean.

communion of saints = a spiritual union of the church, those on earth and those in heaven

One baptism, you mean sprinkling of water by a priest??

 

[Rock022]

That or some other churches. The catholic church accepts baptism from other churches I just don't remember which ones. But only One baptism is needed.

 

[BishopSEH]

That or some other churches. The catholic church accepts baptism from other churches I just don't remember which ones. But only One baptism is needed.

Rock, as you are aware baptism is a point of contention between the traditions of Christendom. A big area is the practice of infant baptism. The Roman Church holds that in the places where an Apostle declares that a person and his whole family should be baptized that in included infant. the problem with this of course in the bible doesn't indicate the age s of the family. For all we know every member of that family was over the age of accountablility possibly even an adult.

A quick search of the Scriptures shows clearly that there is not one single infant baptism. In fact even in the time of Augustine infant baptism was more popular in Africa than in Rome (see Confessions). In fact every single time baptism is mentions in the Scriptures in the specific, it is to an adult and it follows, repent AND be baptized. There is even a biblical account where a gentile family, as witnessed by Peter had already repented and had the Holy Spirit and Peter asks, is there any reason why they should not be baptized. This follows the counter question of, is there any reason why they should be baptized? It is excepted in all seminaries that the Holy Spirit will not come into an unclean house or body. Yet in the biblical account referenced the Holy Spirit was already present in this gentile family.

If we follow the formula that one must repent and be baptized as laid out in the Scriptures, how then can infant baptism be anything at all? An infant is simply not capable of repenting. An infant is not even capable of recognizing that he or she is in fact a sinner. It follows then that we a person does come of age to seek forgiveness of sins and repents, that a baptism must be performed from that time in accordance with the Scriptures. If the Roman Church believes as they claim that the Scriptures are in fact THE WORD OF GOD, can a tradition which has absolutely no explicit reference in Scripture be valid?

Keep in mind that God will not and can not force Himself on a person for to do so would remove our choice via free will to choose Him and Life over separation from Him and Death. How then does the Roman Church justify the forcing of a baptism on an infant? Is not the parent and the Roman Church forcing God on a person and thus over ridding his or her free will to chose or reject Christ? Even the Devil himself will not force that Mark of the Beast on a person. In the end times a person must, of there own free will, chose to except the Mark of the Beast and therefore reject Christ for all time.

In Christ,

Bishop SEH