In relation to the new testament, why would Jesus believe this did not apply?

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Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Is this to say that no man will experience death unless it is to pay for his own sin?
 

Zen

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Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Is this to say that no man will experience death unless it is to pay for his own sin?
It means you wouldn't have been killed for what your family members did. Sometimes God punished the children of wicked people.

Exodus 20:5
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

If He stopped doing it in the O.T. He wouldn't have continued it in the N.T.
 
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The phrase: "every man shall be put to death for his own sin" seems to take family out of the picture. Personally I see many of the promised curses from the old testament in today's population in spite of the rejection of it by some.
 

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Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Is this to say that no man will experience death unless it is to pay for his own sin?
It did not apply to Jesus because Jesus is God manifested in the flesh.. So Jesus is not a man therefore Jesus can pay for the sins of all mankind because he is not a man. He had no sin..
 
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It did not apply to Jesus because Jesus is God manifested in the flesh.. So Jesus is not a man therefore Jesus can pay for the sins of all mankind because he is not a man. He had no sin..
Why would God be tested by satan in the desert?
 
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Doesn't it just mean that you are held accountable for your own actions?
Basically...?
 
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That's what I also see. How might this effect our understanding of Jesus's death?
 
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Doesn't this go against the idea that God shouldn't need to prove anything to us? Could God not have protected Jesus from harm?
 

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Doesn't this go against the idea that God shouldn't need to prove anything to us? Could God not have protected Jesus from harm?
((where do you get that idea?))

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testing" does not of necessity imply doubt. it can be used in language where you might also use "proving" - you can certainly "test" something in which you have full confidence. for example, if you built a floor and are showing it off, you might tell a guest, 'go ahead, test it out' - indicating they should walk on it. you don't need it to be proven to you that the floor won't fall through. you don't doubt whether or not it is stable. but you invite someone to walk, because you want to demonstrate your confidence, and make sure their hope.
 
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Wasn't he the lead Angel in a rebellion? God allowed satan to stay here until the last day to try us. I see Jesus as a man who was blessed with the Christ of God. He had a connection with God through mediation and prayer.
 
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If a man can be tested, surely he has doubt. Only a thief can steal a man's peace after he binds his hands. A man well prepared has no worry. This lesson is in scripture I believe.
 

posthuman

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I see Jesus as a man who was blessed with the Christ of God. He had a connection with God through mediation and prayer.
is it possible to understand scripture if you don't get the question of who Jesus of Nazereth is right?

A man well prepared has no worry. This lesson is in scripture I believe.

this lesson is:

The horse is prepared for the day of battle,
But victory belongs to the LORD.

(Proverbs 21:31)
 

posthuman

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The horse is prepared for the day of battle,
But victory belongs to the LORD.

(Proverbs 21:31)

He delights not in the strength of the horse:
He taketh not pleasure in the legs of a man.

(Psalm 147:10)
 

posthuman

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He delights not in the strength of the horse:
He taketh not pleasure in the legs of a man.

(Psalm 147:10)
There is no king saved by the multitude of an host:
a mighty man is not delivered by much strength.
An horse is a vain thing for safety:
neither shall he deliver any by his great strength.

(Psalm 33:16-17)
 

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Wasn't he the lead Angel in a rebellion? God allowed satan to stay here until the last day to try us. I see Jesus as a man who was blessed with the Christ of God. He had a connection with God through mediation and prayer.
So, you do not believe Jesus is fully God? God the Son? Guess the Trinity is alien to you as well? If so, maybe you should start doubting your undoubting....Thomas.
 

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Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Is this to say that no man will experience death unless it is to pay for his own sin?
Its about the justice of this world, punishment by state/police or however you want to call it.
 
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I agree victory belongs to the Lord our God who is the father of creation including Jesus. There are no partners to the Creator. Consider that while you stand and look out into the world, God is in you and each person you see. Each person is God's manifestation, proof of His existence. To claim Jesus was God claims God was not in any other living being.
 
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This gives the term 'king' a human face. What does deliver a king, is God. In my mind, what this says is, don't rely on man for deliverance from God.

In revelation, we are told a new name will be given which will not be known to us.
Revelation 2:17 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone that no one knows except the one who receives it.’