In Six Days......

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p_rehbein

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So, I was having a conversation with a friend yesterday, and he was talking about how God created the heavens and the earth in six days, and it was all good, don't get me wrong, but:

I asked him, "Are you speaking in terms of God's days, or man's days?"

Well, that started a whole new conversation............... :)

Genesis 1:31) And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Peter 3:1.) This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2.) That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3.) Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4.) And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5.) For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6.) Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7.) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
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But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


 

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The definition of day is established in the text. It is the same at the beginning as it is on the 6th day and represents a 24 hr. period.
 

p_rehbein

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The definition of day is established in the text. It is the same at the beginning as it is on the 6th day and represents a 24 hr. period.
........pretty close to what my friend said later on.........so, question: Do we discount what Peter said?
 

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Not at all. Peter is not suggesting that God does not know the difference between a 1000 years and a 24 hour period. He is merely pointing out that God is not bound by time. Time is product of God and serves a created function. God created time as a means of structuring the natural world.
 
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The laws and celestial bodies that govern time weren't created until the fourth 'day', so the term day has to be taken in a figurative sense.
 

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Hi p_rehbein

No, because Peter is merely referring to the fact that God is outside of time, whereas creation is confined to time.
 

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The laws and celestial bodies that govern time weren't created until the fourth 'day', so the term day has to be taken in a figurative sense.
The definition of day is established at the beginning as the evening and the morning. This is the same definition that marks the days after the formation of the sun, moon, and stars. To say that day in the beginning is merely figurative is completely without linguistic support in the text. There is nothing to support a figurative interpretation of the account.
 

p_rehbein

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Good! Several, if not all of you, are saying what I said to my friend...........God is not bound by time!

I know the celestial thingies were on the 4th day.......but the entire report in Genesis is what I am speaking of, and it is reported to be a six day process......From the beginning of His creation, until His Rest......

So, from other thoughts being expressed, we look at these Scriptures "figuratively," and not "literally?"

oldhermit: in response to your last comment.........yeah, true, but do we not have to take into account that God's UNIVERSE is waaayyyyyyy bigger than our wee little universe?

In other words...........for us, man, on earth, our day and night is one rotation around the sun.............BUT for GOD, wow!

.......just saying....... :)

ever wonder exactly HOW HUGE ALL of His creation is?
 
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The definition of day is established at the beginning as the evening and the morning. This is the same definition that marks the days after the formation of the sun, moon, and stars. To say that day in the beginning is merely figurative is completely without linguistic support in the text. There is nothing to support a figurative interpretation of the account.
Without a sun there couldn't have been evenings and mornings in the literal sense that you are suggesting.
 

p_rehbein

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Without a sun there couldn't have been evenings and mornings in the literal sense that you are suggesting.
Yup, was waiting on that to come up...............

HE IS THE LIGHT!

(just saying............ :)
 

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i am on a Jewish mailing list; a few days ago i got a daily blurb wherein it's explained that some Torah scholars consider "God's day" to be 365.25*1,000*7,000 = 2.56 billion years. the 1,000 term, from the verse in Peter, the 365.25, a conversion to days from years, the 7,000 related to a belief in a cosmic sabbatical cycle that wasn't really explained in the email.

this puts the week of creation lasting ~ 13.7 billion years, consistent with what modern geologists believe.

i'm not completely sold on this interpretation; but it's interesting that i got this email just a few days before i saw this topic; just thought i'd put it out there.

=]

peace!


EDIT actually after doing the math (lol why didn't i do that first?) this turns out to be over 15.3 billion for 6 'days' -- i guess there is some adjustment to be made in light of the order of creation days.
 
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Good! Several, if not all of you, are saying what I said to my friend...........God is not bound by time!

I know the celestial thingies were on the 4th day.......but the entire report in Genesis is what I am speaking of, and it is reported to be a six day process......From the beginning of His creation, until His Rest......

So, from other thoughts being expressed, we look at these Scriptures "figuratively," and not "literally?"
I look at the days as creative 'epochs' that were completely independent of time.
 
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So, I was having a conversation with a friend yesterday, and he was talking about how God created the heavens and the earth in six days, and it was all good, don't get me wrong, but:

I asked him, "Are you speaking in terms of God's days, or man's days?"

Well, that started a whole new conversation............... :)

Genesis 1:31) And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Peter 3:1.) This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2.) That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3.) Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4.) And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5.) For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6.) Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7.) But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8.)
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.



If this was accurate Jonah would have been in the whale for 3000 years, and then Jericho 7000 years of going around - it's the same verbiage

This passage is not showing a specific time frame - just showing that time is of little importance to God, while time may be important to us, with God, not so much - His purposes prevail
 
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Without a sun there couldn't have been evenings and mornings in the literal sense that you are suggesting.
You're wrong. Just because God assigned the greater light to govern the day, doesn't mean He requires the sun for it to be day. You are putting man's teachings (e.g. we need a sun to have a day) into God's word - you're making the text say more than it does. The scripture says there were literal days prior to the creation of the sun, and there were. At dawn and at dusk, we still have daylight (albeit dimmer), whilst the sun has not yet risen, and after it has set.

I look at the days as creative 'epochs' that were completely independent of time.
Again, you look at this wrongly. You read into the scripture more than it says. It is condescending. Do you think our God, who is omnipotent, is unable to do anything in one day, or even a second? He tells us He did it in a day. We weren't there. He's never lied to us before. Let's believe Him.
 

p_rehbein

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I look at the days as creative 'epochs' that were completely independent of time.
......... :), and I see that God IS NOT bound by time. As we know/understand time. See, to me GOD IS! Meaning there is no past or future for Him. Everything that has ever happened, will happen IS for God. He is always in the present.

(hope that makes sense........)

From posthuman: "EDIT actually after doing the math (lol why didn't i do that first?) this turns out to be over 15.3 billion for 6 'days' -- i guess there is some adjustment to be made in light of the order of creation days."

Too funny! :) you know there are only 3 kinds of people in the world.......those who are good at math, and those who aren't!

(not sure which I am........)

 

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Without a sun there couldn't have been evenings and mornings in the literal sense that you are suggesting.
The determination of time is not dependent upon the sun, moon, and stars. It is dependent upon God. He is the one who establishes the parameters of a day from the first day. The sun, moon, and stars are merely put in place as temporal indicators for what has already been established.
 
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If this was accurate Jonah would have been in the whale for 3000 years, and then Jericho 7000 years of going around - it's the same verbiage
Exactly. And I would be more than 11 million years old. :D
 

p_rehbein

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If this was accurate Jonah would have been in the whale for 3000 years, and then Jericho 7000 years of going around - it's the same verbiage

This passage is not showing a specific time frame - just showing that time is of little importance to God, while time may be important to us, with God, not so much - His purposes prevail
No, because the events you are referring to took place after time as we are bound by was established, AND it is clearly speaking of Man's time, not God's.

And, as God is not bound by time as we understand it, your math will not apply...........think about it now...... :)

God bless
 

p_rehbein

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The determination of time is not dependent upon the sun, moon, and stars. It is dependent upon God. He is the one who establishes the parameters of a day from the first day. The sun, moon, and stars are merely put in place as temporal indicators for what has already been established.
????

If you are referring to God's time..........I agree, however, if you are referring to man's time/earthly time scale...... ?????