In what way(s) did Christ take our punishment for sin?

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I have often heard it said "Christ took our place" or "Christ took the punishment for our sin" or something of that nature.

What I see when I've read through many things in the Bible is that all of the punishments Christ took were temporary, as far as I know.

Perhaps the punishment for our sin that Christ took was separation from God? Is what Isaiah said why Jesus cried out "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?" When Christ was on the tree (the cross) he bore our sins in his body per 1 Peter 2:24.

Isaiah 59
1Surely the arm of the Lord is not too short to save,
nor his ear too dull to hear.
2But your iniquities have separated
you from your God;
your sins have hidden his face from you,
so that he will not hear.

I try to look through the Bible as much as possible just to find where things are plainly stated or described, but I haven't really seen how Christ took our punishment. So perhaps you all could shed some light on it?
 
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they make movies and go to the extremes to make CHRIST'S Crucifixion as horrible as possible ...yes It was ...but they want It to a level that forgives their future sins. they are snakes trying to excuse their new sins after they were supposed to Join The Son Of Man on that Cross ...our EXAMPLE.
 
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they make movies and go to the extremes to make CHRIST'S Crucifixion as horrible as possible ...yes It was ...but they want It to a level that forgives their future sins. they are snakes trying to excuse their new sins after they were supposed to Join The Son Of Man on that Cross ...our EXAMPLE.
That's not what this thread is about. Please don't derail it with the first comment. At least wait until page 2 please. Thank you.
 
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That's not what this thread is about. Please don't derail it with the first comment. At least wait until page 2 please. Thank you.
CHRIST was the Perfect Sacrifice ....He didn't become their sin. He became sin by hanging on The Tree. The Sacrifice is for becoming Reborn ...a New Creation that refuses to cause New sins. So It didn't have anything to do with making peoples sins not punishable.

[Gal 3:13 NKJV] Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"),
 
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[Gal 3:13 NKJV] Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree"),
That's more along the lines. Thank you. So Christ became a curse for us by hanging on a tree. Were we going to get crucified too? Or perhaps there would have been another global event like another flood in the days of Noah?
 
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That's more along the lines. Thank you. So Christ became a curse for us by hanging on a tree. Were we going to get crucified too? Or perhaps there would have been another global event like another flood in the days of Noah?
Sacrificial Blood was for your death with Him that most refuse to do ...that means Denying yourself new willful sins ...that means Fully Repenting ...that means ending your worldly old man.

Has this happened for you or not?
[Rom 6:5-8 KJV] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
[7] For he that is dead is freed from sin.
[8] Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

Heb 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Gal 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.


We don't have to go to a literal Cross like our Example ...so stop your sins. It's the least you can do:

[Heb 12:4 KJV] Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

[Rom 12:1 KJV] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
 
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John 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
 

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According to Jesus Yeshua, when we include mercy and justice while reading the law, we have released ourselves from any curse of it, for we know which laws are to be extant for they concur with the laws which have been inscribed upon our hearts.

YES we are freed of the curse of the law but the law without the curse , that is the law including love and mercy, will always be. Do not be confused by the imaginative teach-ins of others, learn from our Savior, praise His name, amen.
 

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What I see when I've read through many things in the Bible is that all of the punishments Christ took were temporary, as far as I know.
Well then you had better dig deeper instead of expecting others to do the heavy lifting.
 
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I have often heard it said "Christ took our place" or "Christ took the punishment for our sin" or something of that nature.

What I see when I've read through many things in the Bible is that all of the punishments Christ took were temporary, as far as I know.

Perhaps the punishment for our sin that Christ took was separation from God? Is what Isaiah said why Jesus cried out "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?" When Christ was on the tree (the cross) he bore our sins in his body per 1 Peter 2:24.

Isaiah 59
1Surely the arm of the Lord is not too short to save,
nor his ear too dull to hear.
2But your iniquities have separated
you from your God;
your sins have hidden his face from you,
so that he will not hear.

I try to look through the Bible as much as possible just to find where things are plainly stated or described, but I haven't really seen how Christ took our punishment. So perhaps you all could shed some light on it?
In I Peter 2:24 and 25, Peter was quoting from the 53rd chapter of Isaiah, and there we find a pretty thorough description of how Christ took the punishment for our sin.

1Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

1Peter 2:25
For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Compared to:

Isaiah 53:1
Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

Isaiah 53:2
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

Isaiah 53:3
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Isaiah 53:4
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Isaiah 53:7
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

Isaiah 53:8
He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Isaiah 53:9
And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Isaiah 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Isaiah 53:11
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Isaiah 53:12
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

I'm not sure what you meant when you mentioned Christ's punishments being temporary, but it made me think of this:

Luke 24:25
Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Luke 24:26
Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Luke 24:27
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Christ's sufferings were temporary in the sense that he has long since entered into his glory as had been equally prophesied in the Old Testament. Although his sufferings were temporary in that sense, the results of his sufferings on our behalves ought to be eternal. Let's look back to Peter's words one more time while looking at what the results of Christ's sufferings on our behalves ought to be as opposed to focusing on his suffering themselves.

1Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

1Peter 2:25
For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

If we are truly benefactors of Christ's sufferings, then we ought to be dead to sins while living unto righteousness; having returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of our souls. If the Lord truly is our Shepherd, then he will always lead us into paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Psalm 23:1
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

Psalm 23:2
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

Psalm 23:3
He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

A life lived in this manner will result in eternal life in the kingdom to come.
 
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In I Peter 2:24 and 25, Peter was quoting from the 53rd chapter of Isaiah, and there we find a pretty thorough description of how Christ took the punishment for our sin.

1Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

1Peter 2:25
For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Compared to:

Isaiah 53:1
Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

Isaiah 53:2
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

Isaiah 53:3
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Isaiah 53:4
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Isaiah 53:7
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

Isaiah 53:8
He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Isaiah 53:9
And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Isaiah 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Isaiah 53:11
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Isaiah 53:12
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

I'm not sure what you meant when you mentioned Christ's punishments being temporary, but it made me think of this:

Luke 24:25
Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Luke 24:26
Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Luke 24:27
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Christ's sufferings were temporary in the sense that he has long since entered into his glory as had been equally prophesied in the Old Testament. Although his sufferings were temporary in that sense, the results of his sufferings on our behalves ought to be eternal. Let's look back to Peter's words one more time while looking at what the results of Christ's sufferings on our behalves ought to be as opposed to focusing on his suffering themselves.

1Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

1Peter 2:25
For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

If we are truly benefactors of Christ's sufferings, then we ought to be dead to sins while living unto righteousness; having returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of our souls. If the Lord truly is our Shepherd, then he will always lead us into paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

Psalm 23:1
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

Psalm 23:2
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

Psalm 23:3
He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

A life lived in this manner will result in eternal life in the kingdom to come.
Thanks, but the only way I can comprehend that as a punishment Christ took on our behalf is that we would have otherwise all been striped and put to death on a global scale. Sounds like another flood-like event to me.

Otherwise, does the Bible really plainly say that Christ took a punishment that was due to us? I don’t see it. Anything Christ may have suffered on our behalf was temporary. He is now in glory, sitting at the right hand of God. Therefore, to be consistent, our punishment for our sins would be temporary as well or it wouldn’t be equal. Thus, it wouldn’t be true that Christ took our punishment.
 
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Thanks, but the only way I can comprehend that as a punishment Christ took on our behalf is that we would have otherwise all been striped and put to death on a global scale. Sounds like another flood-like event to me.

Otherwise, does the Bible really plainly say that Christ took a punishment that was due to us? I don’t see it. Anything Christ may have suffered on our behalf was temporary. He is now in glory, sitting at the right hand of God. Therefore, to be consistent, our punishment for our sins would be temporary as well or it wouldn’t be equal. Thus, it wouldn’t be true that Christ took our punishment.
Now that I've read your response, I think that I understand your original question better. In his sufferings, Christ did much more than just receive stripes and be put to physical death. Here are the parts of Isaiah 53 that we need to really focus on to better answer your question:

Isaiah 53:1
Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

Isaiah 53:2
For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

Isaiah 53:3
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Isaiah 53:4
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Isaiah 53:5
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Isaiah 53:7
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

Isaiah 53:8
He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

Isaiah 53:9
And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

Isaiah 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Isaiah 53:11
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Isaiah 53:12
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

It's in Christ being our sin-bearer or scapegoat that we see the eternal, and not temporary, effects of Christ's sacrifice on our behalves. In other words, it wasn't just some sort of physical punishment to deliver us from some merely physical sort of death, but it was a spiritual atonement for our sins as well in order to redeem us from eternal damnation. Christ's death was a spotless sacrifice in that he knew no sin. None of our own deaths would have been spotless. He willingly laid down his own life on our behalves while knowing that he had a promise from the Father to both resurrect him from the dead and to return to him to his former glory as one who is both God and man. We need to understand that the Bible says that Christ has been made heir of all things, and this inheritance is directly related to his human nature in order that we, as humans ourselves, might be joint-heirs with him.

Again, if we had all simply been striped and put to death, then the results would have been eternally catastrophic for each and every one of us. Only a spotless sacrifice could atone for our sins. In this sense, Christ definitely took our punishment.
 

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I mean... he was tortured and murdered in pretty much the most brutal and humiliating way possible.

He didn't deserve that. He didn't deserve the rejection and betrayal that he got in life either... we deserved all that stuff, not him.

(I don't think that saying is meant to convey ideas/doctrine about eternal consequences of sin, it's just saying "Jesus got what we deserve")
 
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[2Co 5:10-12 KJV] For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
[11] Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
[12] For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.

[Mat 12:35-37 KJV] A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
[36] But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
[37] For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
 
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Without the shedding of Blood - of a Lamb without blemish - there is no forgiveness of sin. This was revealed in the Law.

"In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." (Hebrews 9:22)

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for your souls upon the altar; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul." (Lev: 17:11)

Hence, had Christ never died for us, we would have died in our sins, and gone to Hell. Now, by faith in Him and Baptism, our sins can be forgiven: “Peter said to them, 'Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:38)

After Baptism, we must strive to avoid all deadly or mortal sins, grow in Grace by Good Works of Love, and pray for perseverance. God will give us the Graces of Complete Sanctification and Final Perseverance in time as we faithfully serve Him and walk with Him day by day, growing in grace and holiness. God Bless.
 

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I have often heard it said "Christ took our place" or "Christ took the punishment for our sin" or something of that nature.

What I see when I've read through many things in the Bible is that all of the punishments Christ took were temporary, as far as I know.

Perhaps the punishment for our sin that Christ took was separation from God? Is what Isaiah said why Jesus cried out "My God, my God, why have You forsaken me?" When Christ was on the tree (the cross) he bore our sins in his body per 1 Peter 2:24.

Isaiah 59
1Surely the arm of the Lord is not too short to save,
nor his ear too dull to hear.
2But your iniquities have separated
you from your God;
your sins have hidden his face from you,
so that he will not hear.

I try to look through the Bible as much as possible just to find where things are plainly stated or described, but I haven't really seen how Christ took our punishment. So perhaps you all could shed some light on it?
you have to start with “ what is sin and what does it bring to mankind “

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭

From the start God has warned mankind of sin and death from the first commandment in Eden

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16

and then we have the actions of sin and its knowledge

this is sin don’t do it ( thou shalt not eat this fruit )

Thou shalt not commit adultery.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20:14‬ ‭

You’ll surely die

“And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭20:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So Because of this

“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

all mankind has been deemed sinners and are condemned to death because of sin.

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭18:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You see the relationship between sin and death sin is like the root , and death is like the fruit without sin death doesn’t exist for mankind. “Thou shalt not or you will surely die

because this is true

“for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

all Mankind was condemned to death by breaking gods word that says “ thou shalt not lest ye surely die “ mans sin against that command created death.


So Jesus died in mankind’s place because all Of us have sinned and are condemned to death by Gods unbreakable word

The key term your looking for brother is “ propitiation “

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭

Because Gods word has to be fulfilled when he speaks it man has to die because we sinned. Or Gods word fails to be true, because God didn’t want us to perish he became a man perfect man without sin , and willingly laid down his perfect sinless life ( free from death by sin ) for our sinful condemned lives

a what it means tbat he took our place is that Gods law demands that all sinners die. If you sin one time it means you’re a sinner and must die. To fulfill this without taking our lives he laid down his life and gave us faith and baptism

These folks are having that sin payment of death made for them by his life being layer down God deemed this an acceptable propitiation because of the perfect nature of Christ

ashen Jesus laid his life down death had no legal claim upon him because remember “ sin is what created death and gave it a hold on mankind , Jesus never sinned so death has no claim upon him

If any of us die our sins are going to condemn us because we’ve sinned nd by his word it’s death we owe death our lives because of sin Jesus paid that debt though he was the only man who never owed that debt he paid it for you because you have sinned d would have been lost in death , Jesus went into death ahead of you and rose up in victory now holding the power and authority over death

Our hero and lord after he was raised up

“And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭1:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Only Jesus can do this only Jesus can save us from death and give us eternal life because he took our sins upon himself died and rose he conquered death for us and has th legal right to give life to the dead and condemned to die
 
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[Heb 5:8-9 KJV] Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
[9] And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
 
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[1Pe 4:1-5 KJV] Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
[2] That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
[3] For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
[4] Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
[5] Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
 
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Isaiah 53:4-12 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

What our king went through was not temporal at all for he still bares the scares.
This is only the physical side of it lets add......being rich he was made poor.....being exalted he became humble.....being devine he became flesh....of all the great things that JESUS had done he equates himself to this...

Psalms 22:6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.