Interdimensional Portals

[posthuman]

((from the Temple Institute, a portion quoted in the article in previous post))

The Temple Mount, where God chose to place His Name, is literally the point of creation; the place where the physical realm came into existence. And it is the place where everything we can’t see, i.e. the spiritual world, attaches itself to the physical. It is literally the portal between heaven and the earth. This precise point of creation on the Temple Mount is called the Even Shetiyah, the Foundation Stone.
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this is blasphemy.
Jesus is The Door - not a piece of physical stone.
what this institute describes is talismanism, a pagan, occult belief that physical objects hold magical power. they are teaching sorcery & divination.

reading over their beliefs, stonesoffire must have misread. they do not think Bethel & Jersualem are the same place - that's too obviously false a claim to pass by anyone. they believe a magical stone from Bethel is buried in the temple mount; that that stone itself is "the gate" by which men can reach the Father. which is blasphemous, again: Jesus is the Door; Jesus Christ is The Gate. no one comes to the Father except through Him.

no one is 'routinely passing through interdimensional portals to heaven & hell' as is being claimed in this thread. practicing witchcraft is self-deception, and an open invitation to become controlled by demons & be given over to wickedness. all humans are already bipartite fleshly & spiritual beings, with eternal souls. you don't need a special crystal and a conjunction of planets and a place where faeries dwell to enter a spirit world. you're already in it, always, and always will be.

 

[posthuman]

"Do you see all these things?"
He asked.
"Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another;
every one will be thrown down."
(Matthew 24:2)​

 

[ForthAngel]

here's an article that seems relevant:

Temple Institute views on ‘Foundation Stone’ do not square with scripture

The foundation stone seems to be a big thing in kabbalism. Maybe that has something to do with it. Not sure which group used it first though or where the foundation stone idea originated from. It's linked to occultism in our modern time though.

 

[Denadii]

hey instead of getting your undies in a knot, why don't you supply SCRIPTURE to back up what you say about God telling people to use portals

God is not responsible for your opinions, but YOU are responsible for leading people astray if you cannot offer proof that God tells us to open portals

you see, you are quite conflicted in what you say

in post 104 you say this:



and then in post 107 you say this:



so again, let's have that scripture wherein we are told to use portals and how to open them

put some beef on those bones you keep throwing

SCRIPTURE PLEASE

You demand scripture to back up what I say?! Yet you have not given a single scripture? All of your arguments are nothing but emotional tripe! Read back…There is NOTHING of substance in any of your arguments In fact your arguments are like the democratic style of discussion. All accusation, illusion, deflection, and outright putting of words into other people mouths.


John 14:6

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Genesis 28:17
And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

2 Kings 2:1
And it came to pass, when the Lord would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.

Open portals often look like whirlwinds

Job 38:1
Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind (portal,) and said,

Ezekiel 1:4
And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

And on and on and on

God has taken people through portals before and He will do it again. Ezekiel, Elisha and others Jacobs ladder, a description of what Jacob saw of a portal.

Now you give me a sensible answer. Not an accusation, an argument for your point. Not nonsense, but backed up with scripture.

 

[graceNpeace]

You demand scripture to back up what I say?! Yet you have not given a single scripture? All of your arguments are nothing but emotional tripe! Read back…There is NOTHING of substance in any of your arguments In fact your arguments are like the democratic style of discussion. All accusation, illusion, deflection, and outright putting of words into other people mouths.


John 14:6

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Genesis 28:17
And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

2 Kings 2:1
And it came to pass, when the Lord would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal.

Open portals often look like whirlwinds

Job 38:1
Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind (portal,) and said,

Ezekiel 1:4
And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

And on and on and on

God has taken people through portals before and He will do it again. Ezekiel, Elisha and others Jacobs ladder, a description of what Jacob saw of a portal.

Now you give me a sensible answer. Not an accusation, an argument for your point. Not nonsense, but backed up with scripture.

More speculation...
No proof that "portals" equate to ANY of the descriptions or phenomena listed.

 

[Denadii]

The foundation stone seems to be a big thing in kabbalism. Maybe that has something to do with it. Not sure which group used it first though or where the foundation stone idea originated from. It's linked to occultism in our modern time though.

Do you know? Kabbalism to Judaism is similar to Christian Science to Christianity.

 

[Denadii]

More speculation...
No proof that "portals" equate to ANY of the descriptions or phenomena listed.

In your mind...Any thinking person could see what it says.

 

[graceNpeace]

In your mind...Any thinking person could see what it says.

And we call it imagination...

 

[Denadii]

And we call it imagination...

Ok In your imagination there is no proof...

 

[ForthAngel]

Do you know? Kabbalism to Judaism is similar to Christian Science to Christianity.

Kabbalism and Christian Science are far removed from Christianity. They may wear a mask, but they are both occult systems to the core.

 

[Denadii]

Kabbalism and Christian Science are far removed from Christianity. They may wear a mask, but they are both occult systems to the core.

Yes but my point too is that Kaballa is far removed from Judaism too To my understanding its a type of witchcraft.

 

[graceNpeace]

Ok In your imagination there is no proof...

You have made this mistake several times already on this forum.
You claim something that is highly speculative as FACT.
The more you are pressed to give ACTUAL proof for your position the less able you are substantiate it!

Then you get snarky for being put on the spot.

None of the texts you quote are even evidence for "portals."
Nobody knows that these entities exists - the fact that you are convinced does not count as evidence!

 

[Rachmiel]

Ha what do you people know about the Kabbalah?
It's all about the growing of trees
Have you considered Sephirot
And all of her leaves?

Alas no not what they think
No, Sephirot is not the Tree of Life
Only one of the many branches of Knowledge
The garden full of thistles and strife

Do you think you can take hold of Keter?
Need to read more Ezekiel about how the Lord cuts down the cedars
But let's say it is so that you can wear it on your brows
Then behold how the saints praise the Holy Holy God and cast at Jesus' feet their crowns

 

[Denadii]

You have made this mistake several times already on this forum.
You claim something that is highly speculative as FACT.
The more you are pressed to give ACTUAL proof for your position the less able you are substantiate it!

Then you get snarky for being put on the spot.

None of the texts you quote are even evidence for "portals."
Nobody knows that these entities exists - the fact that you are convinced does not count as evidence!

LOOK There are two kinds of people...Those who do not understand for some reason. Then there are those who refuse to understand because of stubbornness Because of preconceived ideas. There are no others...Which one are you? Obviously you are of the second group. If I could put you on my ignore list I would, even though I have nobody on that list. Why can't you just look at the evidence given, and give it honest thought, instead of knee-jerk refusal?

I DID give evidence. You simply do not want to accept it.

 

[Denadii]

I find it interesting how the world KNOWS of the existence of these things, yet Christians bury their heads in the sand and deny the existence of anything they do not understand.

 

[graceNpeace]

LOOK There are two kinds of people...Those who do not understand for some reason. Then there are those who refuse to understand because of stubbornness Because of preconceived ideas. There are no others...Which one are you? Obviously you are of the second group. If I could put you on my ignore list I would, even though I have nobody on that list. Why can't you just look at the evidence given, and give it honest thought, instead of knee-jerk refusal?

I DID give evidence. You simply do not want to accept it.

No it is not OBVIOUS!

This is NOT "secret knowledge" available only to a few.
I am not going to go through that list text by text and refute the more obvious context errors.

Instead of calling me stubborn you may want to have a look at yourself.
I have mentioned before that if you want to speculate then you have to state your speculations as speculation NOT fact!

 

[Denadii]

No it is not OBVIOUS!

This is NOT "secret knowledge" available only to a few.
I am not going to go through that list text by text and refute the more obvious context errors.

Instead of calling me stubborn you may want to have a look at yourself.
I have mentioned before that if you want to speculate then you have to state your speculations as speculation NOT fact!

Let's do it this way GnP...When you've done what I've done, when you've researched what I've researched, I'll listen to you. Until then....

 

[ForthAngel]

Let's do it this way GnP...When you've done what I've done, when you've researched what I've researched, I'll listen to you. Until then....

Can you point me to some sources of your research? I'd like to check them out for myself.

 

[graceNpeace]

Let's do it this way GnP...When you've done what I've done, when you've researched what I've researched, I'll listen to you. Until then....

With the greatest respect if what you are sharing on this forum is the product of your extensive research then I do not think much of it.
At best you are indulging in amateurish speculation.

 

[Denadii]

Can you point me to some sources of your research? I'd like to check them out for myself.

You can start with this book. It's a short one. Only four hundred pages. Shinar directive I believe its by Dr Michael Lake