Is Antichrist from Rome or Islam?

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Jackson123

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i agree(today) but when the beast comes if the Christians are deceived and believe he is Jesus returned in his second coming,then the statement would be true "they replaced Jesus with a replacement Christ",or anti/in place of,,
 

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i agree(today) but when the beast comes if the Christians are deceived and believe he is Jesus returned in his second coming,then the statement would be true "they replaced Jesus with a replacement Christ",or anti/in place of,,
Yup, only the one that name written in the book of life know that he is in place of Christ.
 

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Rev 13

[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.


If the Antichrist is the second beast, mean he look like a lamb/Jesus, but speak like dragon.

Two horn, like a lamb, may represent two power: Religious power and political power.

He is the religious leader and government leader.

Like a Pope, he is religious leader and government leader, because Vatican is a independent country, Have ambassador to hundred plus country, issue her own money etc.
 

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Rev 13

[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.


If the Antichrist is the second beast, mean he look like a lamb/Jesus, but speak like dragon.

Two horn, like a lamb, may represent two power: Religious power and political power.

He is the religious leader and government leader.

Like a Pope, he is religious leader and government leader, because Vatican is a independent country, Have ambassador to hundred plus country, issue her own money etc.
This Beast is super human, having super natural powers and comes "from the earth." This does not fit the Pope.

I believe these passages refer to related events.

2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit.

11 And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.

11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.

The location where this beast comes from is Hell.
 
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Islam not worship Allah not Jesus.

Islam said Abraham worship Allah, but Abraham is not worship Allah.

So the God of Abraham is not the same with the god of Islam.
I don't agree with everything Perry Stone says, as for some of it is his opinion as to what he believes what the bible passages about the antichrist, false prophet are.
He does however have over 1,000's of hours of study on this subject, and the thing I like about him is he mentions when he was wrong or that he might be wrong about a subject.
However when he mentioned the symbolism beast with two horns of the false prophet he said the two horns stood for an apostate church and the other horn Islam combination. Well this was done in 2007 it is now 2014 and look what the Catholic church did just a few months ago. Allowing Christian and Muslim union in worship.
 

iamsoandso

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Yup, only the one that name written in the book of life know that he is in place of Christ.
hey,,,you used the singular tense,,,you matched up rev. 2;17,with rev.3;12,with,,ect. and you knew there is only one name in the book,,,,
 

Jackson123

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This Beast is super human, having super natural powers and comes "from the earth." This does not fit the Pope.

I believe these passages refer to related events.

2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit.

11 And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.

11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.

The location where this beast comes from is Hell.
What chapter is these verses brother?
 

Jackson123

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I don't agree with everything Perry Stone says, as for some of it is his opinion as to what he believes what the bible passages about the antichrist, false prophet are.
He does however have over 1,000's of hours of study on this subject, and the thing I like about him is he mentions when he was wrong or that he might be wrong about a subject.
However when he mentioned the symbolism beast with two horns of the false prophet he said the two horns stood for an apostate church and the other horn Islam combination. Well this was done in 2007 it is now 2014 and look what the Catholic church did just a few months ago. Allowing Christian and Muslim union in worship.

According to Alberto Rivera, Vatican create Islam, with the purpose to take over Jerusalem for Vatican, but when is success, Islam rebel and not turn it to Vatican.

I believe Catholics are still enlisted to restore the function of Islam

And I hear now Vatican working with the Wahhabi which is one of the denomination of Islam
 
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According to Alberto Rivera, Vatican create Islam, with the purpose to take over Jerusalem for Vatican, but when is success, Islam rebel and not turn it to Vatican.

I believe Catholics are still enlisted to restore the function of Islam

And I hear now Vatican working with the Wahhabi which is one of the denomination of Islam
Yes I have heard that, and even though some may not admit it but the Catholic church does teach things that are not biblically. I was in a Catholic church for 5 years, and took their classes but I left because of the unbiblical teachings.
The Pope/s have also stated that if they give a command it is to be followed as it is from God, and they are the only one who personally talks to God and speaks for him. They say it is wrong and dangerous to say you have a personal relationship with God. Going back to the commands they give, if they are not biblically based then they are not from God.

The bible makes it clear that if taught another gospel then what we have heard, it is not from God.
This goes with adding extra conditions that one has to do to be forgiven of sins, and obtain salvation.
 

Jackson123

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Yes I have heard that, and even though some may not admit it but the Catholic church does teach things that are not biblically. I was in a Catholic church for 5 years, and took their classes but I left because of the unbiblical teachings.
The Pope/s have also stated that if they give a command it is to be followed as it is from God, and they are the only one who personally talks to God and speaks for him. They say it is wrong and dangerous to say you have a personal relationship with God. Going back to the commands they give, if they are not biblically based then they are not from God.

The bible makes it clear that if taught another gospel then what we have heard, it is not from God.
This goes with adding extra conditions that one has to do to be forgiven of sins, and obtain salvation.
If The Pope give a command the follower think , as it is form God.


It is first step to make himself as a God.

Then the next step and next step and finally he declare himself as a god like rev 13 said.
 
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According to Alberto Rivera, Vatican create Islam, with the purpose to take over Jerusalem for Vatican, but when is success, Islam rebel and not turn it to Vatican.

I believe Catholics are still enlisted to restore the function of Islam

And I hear now Vatican working with the Wahhabi which is one of the denomination of Islam
Islam started with Hagar and Abraham....
 
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iamsoandso

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Yup, thank for correction.
lol,,,look at how you worded it in post 104,,and then the scriptures I gave(there are others though,for another thread) ,,,"I wasn't (correcting you),I thought you had spotted it",,,
 
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Rev. 17:10 "and they are seven kings; the five are fallen, the one is, the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a little while."

Question: When did the Roman Catholic Church had kings?
Answer: When thcey received a kingdom.

"The Treaty of Latrão.
The agreement was signed in 1929, which recognized the Vatican City as a sovereign and independent papal state."

On February 11, 1929, Pius XI was the first Roman Catholic Pope to become king of the Vatican State.

Rev. 13:3 "And [I saw] one of his heads as though it had been smitten unto death; and his death-stroke was healed: and the whole earth wondered after the beast;"
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- John Paul II was placed in a coffin of cedar.
- His face was covered with a cloth of white silk. This was the first time that this was done with a pope.
- The cedar coffin was placed inside a lead coffin 800 pounds of weight...
-... Having a skull and cross bones.
- This is often used in initiation rituals of Freemasonry, as a symbol of the Renaissance.
- Was finally placed in another wooden coffin before being veiled in St. Peter's Basilica.
- Behind the coffin...
- It is interesting to note that John Paul II was laid in a coffin of trapezoidal shape.
- The same seen in many vampire movies.
- The trapezoid has been seen since long by occultists as the most satanic of shapes, especially adapted to most demonic manifestation.

Rev. 12:17 "And the dragon waxed wroth with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God, and hold the testimony of Jesus:"

Mat. 10:28 "And be not afraid of them that kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
 

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Islam started with Hagar and Abraham....
yes Ishmael had 12 sons,,, Ishmael - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "KEDAR" the second son of Ishmael and his Egyptian wife in kedar's line is the line to "Mohammad who wrote the Quran Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and this is the tribe that the 12th caliphate is to come from(Quraysh tribe) Hadith of the Twelve Successors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and is what the sunni/sheite ect. infighting is about,some don't think he has to be in the blood-line,,,