Is anyone else sick and tired of Competitive Christianity?

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if its competitive its not christian, christian is one mind, in Christ Jesus, but i see the point of the op.
 
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The angels in heaven compete to see who can give the most love to the beings in the universe...

but arguing and fighting is not christlike, the answer:
To be born again in the grace of christ.

To be born again is to have Jesus always in our heart and in the first place.

Remember, Arguing is sin

Jesus did NOT DIE for sins you WILLINGLY comit, knowing better.

those you have to give up
repent
give up arguing just give the truth and move on, you cant force people to follow Jesus.
 
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The angels in heaven compete to see who can give the most love to the beings in the universe...

but arguing and fighting is not christlike, the answer:
To be born again in the grace of christ.

To be born again is to have Jesus always in our heart and in the first place.

Remember, Arguing is sin

Jesus did NOT DIE for sins you WILLINGLY comit, knowing better.

those you have to give up
repent
give up arguing just give the truth and move on, you cant force people to follow Jesus.
So now jesus didnt die for all sins?

Wow..
 

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I have heard it said the forum is not a worship service. It may not be, but there are many who come here to iron out questions about the Word. Being a forum, there will be detractors to any who post in faith in our Savior, so there will always be dissension to one degree or another. This cannot be avoided, and although very healthy for many it may perplex some.

When I first came to the Lord, Jesus or Yeshua, my worship group and I got along very well. Of course I always did what I was told until one worship service came and I introduced the fact that Jesus Christ was a Jew. Nothing more, nothing less was introduced, no Messicanic Judism or Hebrew Roots, no Jews for Jesus. I did not know anything about these groups at the time. The "elder" decided I was demon possessed and I was banned from the assembly. As I departed I said to them, "The God I worship is the God of order, and He would never give anyone a gift of discerning demons possessing anyone unless He also gave them power to cast it out. If I am demon possessed, by all means please cast it out." There was absolute silence with many of my dearest brethren standing open mouthed. "As I thought."

I love that assembly to this day, but as concerning blind obedience to any denomination now, it is impossible for me to do, for I have not been given the gift to select that absolutely correct denomination, therefore I determined all who love Jesus Christ, Whom I like to call Yeshua, to be my family in Salvation. Incidentally it was over 30 years after that incident I began to use the name, Yeshua. I like it, it is not a requirement, nor is there any commandment to call Him by any particular name, except, perhaps, Salvation.
 
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Re OP 38miles. I started a thread quite some time ago (last year) called "I'm sick of arguing." Guess what? I had to ask a moderator to close it down because it started an argument that got out of hand. What about that?????:mad::confused::p
 
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I agree that kindness and gentleness should be the majority of our speech. But we have a very sarcastic Savior, too, who also tossed over tables in the temple. He was always loving to the lost, but He was frequently stern with the religious. We have to remember that it isn't about being right, but about speaking the truth and loving people. Sometimes loving someone means standing up for them. We have to be as willing to extend grace as we are willing to fight.
See thread “Asking about “God’s burden.” Why is it so wrong?” It goes right along with this topic.
If we talk and don't want to separate the sin from the sinner we do not love as Jesus commanded. If we do shed this light on darkness and it causes anger Matthew chapter 18:15-20 is a good place to start. If another continues to argue, do all to make peace without compromise, and if it doesn't work, walk away. It takes more strength to walk away from a fight than succumb to the temptation of hitting back.
 

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Jesus Christ was never sarcastic. It was righteous wrath against those money changers and such who were turning the Lord's house of prayer into a money making proposition leading others away from the love that IS God. This is the only time zeal for the Lord cause Jesus to react so. I hope you are not thinking you "got Him?" God bless you. Read what Jesus did for you and for me.

I agree that kindness and gentleness should be the majority of our speech. But we have a very sarcastic Savior, too, who also tossed over tables in the temple. He was always loving to the lost, but He was frequently stern with the religious. We have to remember that it isn't about being right, but about speaking the truth and loving people. Sometimes loving someone means standing up for them. We have to be as willing to extend grace as we are willing to fight.
 

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You should see my ignore list! Certain it is that I am on a few too. My first year here I would not put anyone on ignore, but finally, as you have put it, I had to walk away, and it has been so peaceful here since.........


See thread “Asking about “God’s burden.” Why is it so wrong?” It goes right along with this topic.
If we talk and don't want to separate the sin from the sinner we do not love as Jesus commanded. If we do shed this light on darkness and it causes anger Matthew chapter 18:15-20 is a good place to start. If another continues to argue, do all to make peace without compromise, and if it doesn't work, walk away. It takes more strength to walk away from a fight than succumb to the temptation of hitting back.
 
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Hey jaume, why dont you have the whole teaching in context in your sig? You just have the first part. Wheres the part about judging righteously? Judging inwardly? Youre misrepresenting the teaching..
 

JaumeJ

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Allow me to explain judgment in part.

No one in this age who believes Jesus Christ is to judge any other to condemnation. This means no one may send anyone to hell.

As for the judgment we are to exercise, we are to judge for ourselves what is right, otherwise we are hypocrites. This is taught by Jesus Christ.

I judge no one to condemnation. Why do you accuse me of such ignorance, do you want to fight? I sure do not.

PS. My signature is my choice, and it is not something for you to critique. It says it all.
 
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Judging does not always mean sending people to hell... If youre a sodomite or an adulterer i have the right to judge and say, what youre doing is wrong, as long as im not participating in that sin, as the lord teaches us we should do.

Why do you want to convey only half of the teaching is what im asking?
 

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What did you not understand about this from the post you "are not" replying to? As for the judgment we are to exercise, we are to judge for ourselves what is right, otherwise we are hypocrites. This is taught by Jesus Christ.

Frankly, before you continue anymrore you jumped into my posting without knowing or understanding what was being said, you have ignored the intent, and twisted it to mean the opposite of what I have stated. I do not like your tone at all, and I believe you are trolling, so rather than report your unassociated posting, I will simply say good bye. Good bye.


Judging does not always mean sending people to hell... If youre a sodomite or an adulterer i have the right to judge and say, what youre doing is wrong, as long as im not participating in that sin, as the lord teaches us we should do.

Why do you want to convey only half of the teaching is what im asking?
 
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You should see my ignore list! Certain it is that I am on a few too. My first year here I would not put anyone on ignore, but finally, as you have put it, I had to walk away, and it has been so peaceful here since.........
I have a list also LOL It really works to avoid nastys, and name calling.
 
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If asking a question is trolling the whole site is accused of trolling because there are far too many questions asked about gods word without even reading gods word first. We should be in our bibles and reading and studying about the topics we are asking about, agree?
 
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If asking a question is trolling the whole site is accused of trolling because there are far too many questions asked about gods word without even reading gods word first. We should be in our bibles and reading and studying about the topics we are asking about, agree?
Good point. very good point. Read the Bible first and ask questions that mean something substantial. I have seen in these threads, more leading question that gender strife than legit ones. Usually it's like "answer yes or no, is that so hard?" Or "are you scared of answering?" Asking questions that demand answers for the purpose of further argument is something to avoid. Tell them their fault via the word of God and walk away, and let the honest judge who is right and who is not.

2 Timothy 2:23-26 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
 
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Read first peter 3:18...
Really good plea for gentleness in apologetics in verse 15, "...always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;"
 
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It's amazing. I just looked at the thread Genesis 1:1, and not one of my posts was answered. People are too busy arguing. I contributed to another thread several days ago called "expounding on the feats of the Lord" (I was the last to contribute and it’s on page 5 now) and not one time did I have any response to legit questions that I asked. I concluded that people were just to busy getting their point across, and my questions that were sincere were not as important as jamming another person with ones opinions, and never wanting to come to an agreement. I have even noticed that some people think the only way to edify is to debate one another. I think that's a worthless outlook according to the truth. Think about Nicodemus (meaning nice one) in difference to the Pharisees and the questions both were asking, and how Jesus responded differently to both.
 
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Good point. very good point. Read the Bible first and ask questions that mean something substantial. I have seen in these threads, more leading question that gender strife than legit ones. Usually it's like "answer yes or no, is that so hard?" Or "are you scared of answering?" Asking questions that demand answers for the purpose of further argument is something to avoid. Tell them their fault via the word of God and walk away, and let the honest judge who is right and who is not.

2 Timothy 2:23-26 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Exactly, im asking about the incomplete verse in his sig, im not asking a question for the 100th time about a bible doctrine. Although, the answer to my question can be found in the bible. Itd be under a false doctrine being taught by a pharisee. He said he chose to only give half of the teaching. Thank God he doesnt pastor a church.

Its just like when a pastor preaches faith in christ saves, then at the end he closes with, 'and verily verily i say unto you, depart from me ye who work iniquity, i never knew you', totally confusing the person about salvation because the teaching is partially quoted and out of context.

His sig about not judging is incomplete because he wants it to be.
 
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It's amazing. I just looked at the thread Genesis 1:1, and not one of my posts was answered. People are too busy arguing. I contributed to another thread several days ago called "expounding on the feats of the Lord" (I was the last to contribute and it’s on page 5 now) and not one time did I have any response to legit questions that I asked. I concluded that people were just to busy getting their point across, and my questions that were sincere were not as important as jamming another person with ones opinions, and never wanting to come to an agreement. I have even noticed that some people think the only way to edify is to debate one another. I think that's a worthless outlook according to the truth. Think about Nicodemus (meaning nice one) in difference to the Pharisees and the questions both were asking, and how Jesus responded differently to both.
Hi Just-me, sorry I haven't been back the the feasts thread. Hopefully I will soon. I needed time to figure out some things, and also haven't been able to fully grasp the math part.:) I wanted to carry it to the fall feasts for sure, hope you will continue to contribute. I value your input.