Is Atheism a Religion?

[P1LGR1M]

We don't dare mention to them how many millions were murdered under Communism in the 20th Century

Great point. One often forgotten or not mentioned in discussions that center on "the evils of religion."

What is the count? Over a hundred million dead due to Atheist Government?

Sorry...excellent point.


God bless.

 

[crossnote]

Great point. One often forgotten or not mentioned in discussions that center on "the evils of religion."

What is the count? Over a hundred million dead due to Atheist Government?

Sorry...excellent point.


God bless.

according to this

https://reason.com/blog/2013/03/13/communism-killed-94m-in-20th-century

94 million compared to 28 million by Facists.

 

[Utah]

You are correct, what you emphasized in red is ridiculous, and it is a common statement by many atheists themselves.

They want to define atheism as simply a lack of belief in God or gods, and that is not all there is too many atheists I encounter.

To believe there is no God or gods is not something that is neutral, it is decidedly pro-active in assertion.

Ask the Atheist, "Do you believe in God?" What will they say? "There is no God."

That is different than saying, "Well, I just don't know, and for now I run under the assumption there isn't, because I have seen no proof there is."

The red letters describe humanists, not atheists. Great OP!

 

[didymos]

Some are going to think this a stupid question...

How original and yet totally....

 

[P1LGR1M]

The red letters describe humanists, not atheists. Great OP!

I actually view Secular Humanism as the official Religion of Atheists, lol.

I found this under "Secular Humanism:"


[h=3]Positivism & the Church of Humanity[edit][/h]Holyoake's secularism was strongly influenced by Auguste Comte, the founder of positivism and of modern sociology. Comte believed human history would progress in a "law of three stages" from a theological phase, to the "metaphysical", toward a fully rational "positivist" society. In later life, Comte had attempted to introduce a "religion of humanity" in light of growing anti-religious sentiment and social malaise in revolutionary France. This religion would necessarily fulfil the functional, cohesive role that supernatural religion once served.


We can look into Scripture and see something similar in the Sadducees, who professed a belief in God but denied the supernatural. In my view, it is a little difficult to embrace the God of the Bible while at the same time denying what the Bible teaches.

The article begins by saying...


[h=1]Secular humanism[/h]From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The philosophy or life stance of secular humanism (alternatively known by some adherents as Humanism, specifically with a capital H to distinguish it from other forms of humanism) embraces human reason, ethics, and philosophical naturalism while specifically rejecting religious dogma, supernaturalism, pseudoscience, and superstition as the basis of morality and decision making.




And this is a big issue for atheists, whether there are absolutes in regards to morality. I would like to have a nickel for every post dealing with that issue, lol.

So where do we suspect Atheists derive their human reason, ethics, and morals?


God bless.

 

[P1LGR1M]

How original and yet totally....

Not all that original, really. When I first had the idea to start a thread like this some years ago, I actually found a few on forums afterwards, and was glad I wasn't the only one who looked at it this way.

So where do you stand?

Do you feel it is, or isn't?


God bless.

 

[crossnote]

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So where do we suspect Atheists derive their human reason, ethics, and morals?


God bless.

Hehe, I've seen big time contradictions on this point. Some say from the individual (genetics), some say society (mores)...go figure.

 

[P1LGR1M]

Hehe, I've seen big time contradictions on this point. Some say from the individual (genetics), some say society (mores)...go figure.

It can be a very interesting conversation, lol. The only thing that they can do is contradict themselves, because the minute they try to make morality subjective, they open the door to issues that can only be absolute.

An example would be murder: is there ever any circumstances which would justify murder? And I define murder as the intentional taking of one person's life by another.

No-one in their right mind would think that there is murder which can be justified.


God bless.

 

[Goodness11]

Okay, I am here!!
Now that I'm subscribed, I'll have to read through the forum; but unfortunately I must run again- dinner. Chat with you all soon, thanks P1LGR1M

 

[P1LGR1M]

Okay, I am here!!
Now that I'm subscribed, I'll have to read through the forum; but unfortunately I must run again- dinner. Chat with you all soon, thanks P1LGR1M

I have to get going myself, but wanted to say glad to have you on board. My prayer is that perhaps a perspective might be gleaned which will help you in coming to understand, and be equipped to minister to your parents. We all know how hard it is to worry for the eternal destiny of our loved ones.

The discussion has just begun, so feel free to contribute as you are led.


God bless.

 

[Tintin]

Yes, I believe Atheism is a religion. I also believe Atheism's hell-spawned child, Evolutionism is a religion.

 

[Goodness11]

You raise a great point that usually doesn't come up so quick: Religion does not require a belief in God or gods. There are a number of recognized religions that do not teach God or gods. I think Star Wars is a good example of certain religions which might teach that the essence of men is absorbed back into the universe, which for them...is their god. They become in effect gods unto themselves, though, the chair their seated in is god, as well as the tree it was made from, lol.

John Lennon wrote the theme song for mystical religions, "Imagine." His prayer was that the world would become "one."

Was he religious? His teachers, were they religious? I think most would conclude he and they were.

There was an atheist that went to court and tried to get Tax Exemption ended for religions. She lost the case, and was told that she was considered a minister of her own religion, and that she could in fact file for tax exemption (her organization). I would have loved to have been there to see that verdict rendered.


God bless.

So I had an opportunity to review the thread, 'fanatical atheism' comes to mind in reference to becoming ordained ministers in the 'first church of atheism' which I find hilarious they use the term church; generally thou I think most atheists (nonbelievers) wouldn't attend those groups either because they want to control themselves!

Loved the reference to Star Wars, that was fantastic!! Oh here's something that clicked with me:

Moreover, the institution, a non-profit like traditional churches, does not have a doctrine and allows anyone, with any belief, creed, religion, or culture to attend. The only difference is that there is no mention of a Godly creation, Higher Power, Supreme Being, or idol for worship.

This was one of the statements for the 'first church of atheism'. How on Earth can you follow, or have rules, or laws when everyone would have their own opinions!?


There's this book I began (began meaning I got through the first chapter and then it went flying into the garbage at warp speed!) reading 'God Is Not Good' by Christopher Hichens if I recall. His atheist negative book was so full of rage and arrogance it was preposterous that anyone could take it serious!! Frighteningly people do.
I was once reading this blog, a man was bashing Christians for not volunteering at the local Salvation Army and he professed he was atheist. Politely I told him that I doubt only atheists are volunteering at the Salvation Army; and I also informed him Salvation Army was founded by William Booth who was a Christian. The feed caught fire; and everyone like a cult tore down the positive influence of Christians!!! It was insane!!! Instead of generalizing everyone should volunteer, it's a part of humanity- it become solely the role of Christians to do more!?!?

Approximately a year ago an atheist website made a graph that showed atheists donated more to charities; although it was debunked many still believed Christians spent all monies towards tithing or church funds. The graph showed only atheists donated to other organizations throughout United States not taking into account, that Christians donate to church AND charitable foundations. Unfortunately this is the type of garbage that is being pumped into the social media that people are feeding into.

Here's a current study in relation to donating

Atheism and charity - Conservapedia

Anyway, I feel I've gotten slightly off topic. Atheism is a force that is building momentum because they can rapid fire there propaganda through social media within minutes. Instead of the populous researching it, they take it verbatim. How is it stopped when it's so feverish?


Many blessings!!! XooXoo

 

[crossnote]

Atheism will never dominate a country unless it is ruling by a sword as in a Communist country like Soviet Albania was.
The conscience, though marred by the Fall, still echoes too much of God for people to allow that type of domination to happen.

 

[Angela53510]

My husband sold a canoe to a guy, and felt prompted to witness to him. Turned out the man was a rabid atheist and an atheist evangelist.

He demanded my husband's email, and started sending him all this atheist propaganda and trying to prove the bible was wrong and there was no God. It was a little over my husband's head, so he asked me to help.

I easily answered all his objections because I have heard them all before! He was preaching a very old atheist religion. So he would get madder and madder with every email, and started attacking me personally, (kind of like CC, but a bit worse! LOL)
His heart was so cold, and I simply could not feel God leading me to waste time debunking all his stupid arguments. So I just didn't reply. Kind of like the ignore button. (See, I have learned so much here!)

He wrote back a few more times, demanding I answer his 5 or so questions which would disprove Jesus forever. I had ignored those questions, they were so transparent and facile. But he kept demanding. Until he realized I was not going to answer his rhetoric anymore.

So definitely a religion. They all read the same books, come up with the same lines, and try to wear you down with nonsense. And no apparent signs that atheism is transforming them into better people. I think that was my last point, that God has changed me in ways I could not change myself. Too subjective for him, of course. But who knows, maybe I planted the seeds that God needed in that person's life, and I won't know till eternity how it comes out.

 

[crossnote]

My husband sold a canoe to a guy, and felt prompted to witness to him. Turned out the man was a rabid atheist and an atheist evangelist.

He demanded my husband's email, and started sending him all this atheist propaganda and trying to prove the bible was wrong and there was no God. It was a little over my husband's head, so he asked me to help.

I easily answered all his objections because I have heard them all before! He was preaching a very old atheist religion. So he would get madder and madder with every email, and started attacking me personally, (kind of like CC, but a bit worse! LOL)
His heart was so cold, and I simply could not feel God leading me to waste time debunking all his stupid arguments. So I just didn't reply. Kind of like the ignore button. (See, I have learned so much here!)

He wrote back a few more times, demanding I answer his 5 or so questions which would disprove Jesus forever. I had ignored those questions, they were so transparent and facile. But he kept demanding. Until he realized I was not going to answer his rhetoric anymore.

So definitely a religion. They all read the same books, come up with the same lines, and try to wear you down with nonsense. And no apparent signs that atheism is transforming them into better people. I think that was my last point, that God has changed me in ways I could not change myself. Too subjective for him, of course. But who knows, maybe I planted the seeds that God needed in that person's life, and I won't know till eternity how it comes out.

Angela, sounds like he was desperately trying to convince himself that atheism was true by debunking the Christian faith.
In other words he was not confident in his own 'faith'.

 

[Goodness11]

Atheism will never dominate a country unless it is ruling by a sword as in a Communist country like Soviet Albania was.
The conscience, though marred by the Fall, still echoes too much of God for people to allow that type of domination to happen.

Thank-you Crossnote; that is very reassuring!! <3

 

[Goodness11]

My husband sold a canoe to a guy, and felt prompted to witness to him. Turned out the man was a rabid atheist and an atheist evangelist.

He demanded my husband's email, and started sending him all this atheist propaganda and trying to prove the bible was wrong and there was no God. It was a little over my husband's head, so he asked me to help.

I easily answered all his objections because I have heard them all before! He was preaching a very old atheist religion. So he would get madder and madder with every email, and started attacking me personally, (kind of like CC, but a bit worse! LOL)
His heart was so cold, and I simply could not feel God leading me to waste time debunking all his stupid arguments. So I just didn't reply. Kind of like the ignore button. (See, I have learned so much here!)

He wrote back a few more times, demanding I answer his 5 or so questions which would disprove Jesus forever. I had ignored those questions, they were so transparent and facile. But he kept demanding. Until he realized I was not going to answer his rhetoric anymore.

So definitely a religion. They all read the same books, come up with the same lines, and try to wear you down with nonsense. And no apparent signs that atheism is transforming them into better people. I think that was my last point, that God has changed me in ways I could not change myself. Too subjective for him, of course. But who knows, maybe I planted the seeds that God needed in that person's life, and I won't know till eternity how it comes out.

You & your husband are so brave!! Wow; I pray to get to that point of spiritual confidence to speak God's word freely with assertion in-tune with the Holy Spirit! XooXoo (I guess that's what prompted me to here, to seek others wisdom!) XooXoo

 

[crossnote]

Thank-you Crossnote; that is very reassuring!! <3

I take a futuristic view of Revelation and I don't see the world ending up atheistic either...

Revelation 9:20-21 KJVS
[20] And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: [21] Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

 

[Goodness11]

Yes, I believe Atheism is a religion. I also believe Atheism's hell-spawned child, Evolutionism is a religion.

Oh goodness Tintin; that's a whole 'nother topic! That's a very apparent issue within my children's school, is they teach evolutionism but not creationism. (Of course.) What I can't understand is penguins can't breed with emu's. African elephants can't breed with Indian elephants; their offspring dies. So why do they surmise that us Homo Sapiens can breed with Homo Erectus? (Same with chimpanzees, gorillas, etc.) My point is; evolution all stems from one point...but for that to be true everything should inter-sect with each other.

Okay, now I see the link. Atheism is a form of religion. *sigh*

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I take a futuristic view of Revelation and I don't see the world ending up atheistic either...

Revelation 9:20-21 KJVS
[20] And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: [21] Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Oh, I take this to heart, too. The anti christ will be a god believing man (not the true living God), and he will go out to glorify this god, and through false miracles and lying wonders he will lead many people to follow this god.

Im sure that in the end there will still be atheist who are holding strong to their faith in what can be seen with the flesh, and say its all just swamp gas and mass hallucination But yeah, in all reality, everyone /knows/ theres a God. We all deal with God and spirits daily, theres just no denying it in the end. Its the whole reason atheist are filled with such passion, they work hard to convince themselves its not true :/