Is christianity the correct religion
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You did. Your post spoke of past fulfillment regarding the tribulation, then providing of a link in connection with it. There is no mistaking that.
Some has been fulfilled in the past, but not all of it. The tribulation and Man of sin are future. A spirit of grace will be poured out on the House of David in the later days (many will come to believe in Jesus and will be saved)
I don't even know who Hal Lindsay is? I look to scripture and have an understanding that many events are yet to come.
Why do you make assumptions of what I believe?
You can give me a label if it makes you feel better, but it doesn't change the fact that I get what I believe from scripture.
You're very incorrect. I didn't get my beliefs from any camp. I got my beliefs from scripture. I don't even know what some of these camps teach, but then knowledge of them means nothing to God anyway.
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What I know to be true has come from reading the scriptures. I don't align myself with any camp. It's not a heresy that I get my understanding from scripture and lean not on my own understanding or that of men. I test all things against scripture and reject that which does not agree.
Maybe people that just agree with your views? All who are part of the body of Christ are of the same spirit, spiritual family. There is no small elite group of members that are separate and looking down on other believers as being in error.
No, by dismissing anything that doesn't fit with what I read in scripture. I'm non denominational, so I don't even align myself with a denominational camp.
What do you mean? Are you pressing the report button?
How can this be true when I don't even know what these men teach?
You were the one that pushed your view on a non believer, claiming the tribulation is past and then gave a link to a preterist source. I simply responded.
Maybe you should look at your own view first and what errors are attached to it? I've yet to see you admit you might be wrong on anything.
Some has been fulfilled in the past, but not all of it. The tribulation and Man of sin are future. A spirit of grace will be poured out on the House of David in the later days (many will come to believe in Jesus and will be saved)
I don't even know who Hal Lindsay is? I look to scripture and have an understanding that many events are yet to come.
Why do you make assumptions of what I believe?
You can give me a label if it makes you feel better, but it doesn't change the fact that I get what I believe from scripture.
You're very incorrect. I didn't get my beliefs from any camp. I got my beliefs from scripture. I don't even know what some of these camps teach, but then knowledge of them means nothing to God anyway.
???
What I know to be true has come from reading the scriptures. I don't align myself with any camp. It's not a heresy that I get my understanding from scripture and lean not on my own understanding or that of men. I test all things against scripture and reject that which does not agree.
Maybe people that just agree with your views? All who are part of the body of Christ are of the same spirit, spiritual family. There is no small elite group of members that are separate and looking down on other believers as being in error.
No, by dismissing anything that doesn't fit with what I read in scripture. I'm non denominational, so I don't even align myself with a denominational camp.
What do you mean? Are you pressing the report button?
How can this be true when I don't even know what these men teach?
You were the one that pushed your view on a non believer, claiming the tribulation is past and then gave a link to a preterist source. I simply responded.
Maybe you should look at your own view first and what errors are attached to it? I've yet to see you admit you might be wrong on anything.
you made a mistake.
you're presumptuous.
my post said nothing about the Great Tribulation you talk about.
my post was directed to anyone who really wants to see God Glorified in His fulfilling of prophecy - apparently you don't.
Daniel 11 was COMPLETELY fulfilled in history, to the letter.
i know that's intolerable in your religion.
what God said and did is irrelevant to Dispensationalists.
you want world events to fulfill something, already fulfilled, something that has nothing to do with you - Daniel was all about Israel, the captivity, Jerusalem, the Coming of Messiah.
one would think this would bring great joy to the believer to see God fulfilling His Promises to Israel exactly.
to see the sucession of kingdoms...then to see JESUS in it.
unless of course one holds to Scofield's fake overlay.
you didn't read the link.
never even looked at Mauro's study.
you presumed.
and continue to.
you're presumptuous.
my post said nothing about the Great Tribulation you talk about.
my post was directed to anyone who really wants to see God Glorified in His fulfilling of prophecy - apparently you don't.
Daniel 11 was COMPLETELY fulfilled in history, to the letter.
i know that's intolerable in your religion.
what God said and did is irrelevant to Dispensationalists.
you want world events to fulfill something, already fulfilled, something that has nothing to do with you - Daniel was all about Israel, the captivity, Jerusalem, the Coming of Messiah.
one would think this would bring great joy to the believer to see God fulfilling His Promises to Israel exactly.
to see the sucession of kingdoms...then to see JESUS in it.
unless of course one holds to Scofield's fake overlay.
you didn't read the link.
never even looked at Mauro's study.
you presumed.
and continue to.
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okay......i'll list all the names and you can be honest or not.
you haven't been so far.
how about Dave Hunt? - your religion matches his exactly.
i'll list 100 more.
all dispensationalists.
JESUS WAS SUPPOSED TO SIT ON A LITERAL THRONE IN JERUSALEM THE FIRST TIME - BUT GOD HAD TO SCRABLE FOR PLAN B - THE CHURCH. which will zoom away in an infantile pretrib rapture before all that other stuff happens.
NOT ONE BIT OF IT IS IN SCRIPTURE.
but dispensationalist are never honest about where they got their ideas....there's one honorable exception here.
she admits she got it from Bullinger.
you didn't get ANY of that from just reading the text because it isn't in there.
but you folks seem to be unable to hear anything.
you don't listen to anyone - ever.
it appears to be judgment.
which wouldn't surpirsie me, this dispy thing is SO dishonoring of God in every way.
He probably is ticked off about it.
i imagine He hates it.
it's the OPPOSITE of what His Plan was and is.
you haven't been so far.
how about Dave Hunt? - your religion matches his exactly.
i'll list 100 more.
all dispensationalists.
JESUS WAS SUPPOSED TO SIT ON A LITERAL THRONE IN JERUSALEM THE FIRST TIME - BUT GOD HAD TO SCRABLE FOR PLAN B - THE CHURCH. which will zoom away in an infantile pretrib rapture before all that other stuff happens.
NOT ONE BIT OF IT IS IN SCRIPTURE.
but dispensationalist are never honest about where they got their ideas....there's one honorable exception here.
she admits she got it from Bullinger.
you didn't get ANY of that from just reading the text because it isn't in there.
but you folks seem to be unable to hear anything.
you don't listen to anyone - ever.
it appears to be judgment.
which wouldn't surpirsie me, this dispy thing is SO dishonoring of God in every way.
He probably is ticked off about it.
i imagine He hates it.
it's the OPPOSITE of what His Plan was and is.
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you're not testing very well, you're not getting any dispensational understanding from scripture (it isn't in there); you do lean on men for your understanding - that's where your beliefs came from; you're not rejecting anything as you claim to do - you've rejected the possibility that what you believe isn't in scripture. it isn't. none of it.
more dishonesty.
i'll post it again (for the hundreth time, and you'll either skip over it (in case it convicts you and you have to start over); or you'll read and continue to claim you don't know what they teach.
they teach EXACTLY what you teach. that's where you got it from.
and the televanglists. most baptist churches teach it.
do what you want with that.
i'll post it again (for the hundreth time, and you'll either skip over it (in case it convicts you and you have to start over); or you'll read and continue to claim you don't know what they teach.
they teach EXACTLY what you teach. that's where you got it from.
and the televanglists. most baptist churches teach it.
do what you want with that.
i pushed nothing on anyone.
i offered Daniel 11. proof that what God says will happen comes to pass.
YOU brought all this into it, and continue to.
BIG DEAL if the link went to a preterist site.
you won't find the zionist heretic john hagee there, or van impe or any other pretrib rapture NUTJOBS - much to your disappointment?
nah.....you're way way behind.
i suggest you get serious and actually study.
your eschatology is a joke, and it effects your understanding (or lack of) everything else.
idolatry is the result.
deal with it - it's your problem.
START A NEW THREAD IF YOU WANT TO PROVE ME WRONG.
do it. you say you're right. start a thread.
everything you say...i'll show you a dispo teacher you claim you've never heard of bleating the identical nonsense verbatim.
don't post to me on this topic again unless you're going to actually discuss it debate it and back up your claims.
i suggest you get serious and actually study.
your eschatology is a joke, and it effects your understanding (or lack of) everything else.
idolatry is the result.
deal with it - it's your problem.
START A NEW THREAD IF YOU WANT TO PROVE ME WRONG.
do it. you say you're right. start a thread.
everything you say...i'll show you a dispo teacher you claim you've never heard of bleating the identical nonsense verbatim.
don't post to me on this topic again unless you're going to actually discuss it debate it and back up your claims.
You know zone? I love you in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh more than I know how to say.
But these posts are exactly why, your words hold no witness for me.
For such is not in the love of Jesus.
One sees only thorns and thistles, not fruit.
It breaks my heart to speak of this to you, but it breaks my heart more to see how you speak to others.
In Jesus, God bless
pickles
But these posts are exactly why, your words hold no witness for me.
For such is not in the love of Jesus.
One sees only thorns and thistles, not fruit.
It breaks my heart to speak of this to you, but it breaks my heart more to see how you speak to others.
In Jesus, God bless
pickles
sorry pickles.
i guess that's the way it is.
i can't and won't approve of false doctrine that is leaven; and is directly responsible for the brutal deaths of millions - even as we speak.
christian zionism is a deadly cult and is antichrist.
it says at its core Jesus Christ did not save (remnant)/bring salvation to Israel.
i see no greater tangle of thorns and rotten fruit than that. it comes from another tree.
one we were supposed to be watching for.
others may stand for it.
i can not.
i've spoken to it in love, and i've stayed silent; and i pass over most of it most of the time...because people are so offended by the idea Israel DID receive the promise.
again pickles, sorry you're offended.
we have differing views on what love is when it comes to Bible Discussion.
you're not alone in your reaction to me though...rest assured of that.
i guess that's the way it is.
i can't and won't approve of false doctrine that is leaven; and is directly responsible for the brutal deaths of millions - even as we speak.
christian zionism is a deadly cult and is antichrist.
it says at its core Jesus Christ did not save (remnant)/bring salvation to Israel.
i see no greater tangle of thorns and rotten fruit than that. it comes from another tree.
one we were supposed to be watching for.
others may stand for it.
i can not.
i've spoken to it in love, and i've stayed silent; and i pass over most of it most of the time...because people are so offended by the idea Israel DID receive the promise.
again pickles, sorry you're offended.
we have differing views on what love is when it comes to Bible Discussion.
you're not alone in your reaction to me though...rest assured of that.
Zone, you know it is not the teachings you speak to that steal from the witness.
But the method.
I have no issue with disagreeing, but like you said, seeing something and no longer willing to be silent.
It is the love of Jesus that is missing, and I see more of bullying than discussion.
For when one looks to the witness of another, they also look to see Jesus.
Scriptures speaks to how we are to walk as Jesus did.
This is why the teachings you share fall short, because of how all is given.
I have always respected your passion for seeking and learning the truth, but remember, we know only in part.
Knowladge will pass also, and knowladge is nothing, if one does not have love.
We as christians cannot go against scripture wether it is in the truth we seek to witness to, or how we witness to the truth.
For scripture speaks to this as well, no matter how passonate we are.
For in the end we claime nothing, all is God's work done in us, and all we are called to do, we are called to do in the love commanded.
in the love of Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh
God bless
pickles
Just so you know, I was looking at what you brought before, but because of how you treat others, no longer do I look.
Because it is not about what I want or you want, but what Jesus said we should look for, and when to reject.
For all must be done in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh, all else must be rejected.
But the method.
I have no issue with disagreeing, but like you said, seeing something and no longer willing to be silent.
It is the love of Jesus that is missing, and I see more of bullying than discussion.
For when one looks to the witness of another, they also look to see Jesus.
Scriptures speaks to how we are to walk as Jesus did.
This is why the teachings you share fall short, because of how all is given.
I have always respected your passion for seeking and learning the truth, but remember, we know only in part.
Knowladge will pass also, and knowladge is nothing, if one does not have love.
We as christians cannot go against scripture wether it is in the truth we seek to witness to, or how we witness to the truth.
For scripture speaks to this as well, no matter how passonate we are.
For in the end we claime nothing, all is God's work done in us, and all we are called to do, we are called to do in the love commanded.
in the love of Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh
God bless
pickles
Just so you know, I was looking at what you brought before, but because of how you treat others, no longer do I look.
Because it is not about what I want or you want, but what Jesus said we should look for, and when to reject.
For all must be done in Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh, all else must be rejected.
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If I could weigh in. Getting someone who is very passionate about a certain subject to see an alternate point of view REQUIRES tough love to get the point through. Believe me I'm so stubborn God had to literally hit me over the head. So I know of what I speak. Now as far as the subject goes I know enough to know I'm not far enough along in my studies to throw in my 2 cents 
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God Bless
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