Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?

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damombomb

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If your "god" got rid of evil the world would be flawless
Your referring to satan, but you will have to read the word to understand this one.
And when Jesus returns he will destroy the wicked (yes destroy) with the brightness of his coming.
Then there will be a new heaven and earth, then no more evil.
Gotta read man.
 
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Man is not programmed. We all have free will but not by the grace of a "god"
Actually, modern science is of the opinion that free will doesn't exist. Read Dawkins, Hawkings, or the DNA studies on political philosophy. I don't agree with them, but since you seem to...study before you put your foot in your mouth.
 
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All things IN GOD is flawless. There is a life here on earth that is FLAWLESS and without ANY evil.... God said I f he had to REMOVE His men from evil he has to REMOVE themm from the earth.... This is what you do not get. Evil is CONFINED to the earth. God has NO part of the earth and evil NONE...

Let Science proove it to you. I am a drak room, God's Word is the lightbulb in me. The Holy Spirit is the wire to the bulb. and God is the Power plant, Jesus the switch.

When God gives me the Word of God, God flicks the Swith and teh Holy Spirit brings to Power to the Truth and all of a sudden where there was darkness there is LIGHT.... I am no longer a dark room but FULL OF LIGHT.

God is the light ALL the light. The power, the switch, the buld, and the wire. I am the room and the FULNESS of God is the light that lights up the WHOLE room.

NOw if God switsh on the light, where is the darkness? GONE... And God lights our room up HERE where DARKNESS is so many places... We are the LIGHT of God, the ENLIGHTENED ROOMS.

The dark rooms does not want light that is why they STAY dark. They do not want the light for they LOVE THE DARK....

No man has a will NO MAN. This free will thing is bulldust, there is only TWO wills, Two ways, and two Masters, and two places on earth.... There is God's will and Satan's. You have a free CHOICE to obey one of the two. You cannot obey two wills.
There are two ways (roads) God's (narrow and straight and in LIGHT) and Satan's (wide and in dark). there are two masters of the heart God (in holiness) and Satan (in sin), you can only serve one or the other not both. There are only two places we end up in.... (In God) or in Satan.

The light and the darkness has NO communion with darkness.... The two are seperated by God Himself, God is the light that chaseth out ALL darkness... So why do you want to make him the dark God? He is the LIGHT! He has no part with the DARK, NONE!

Look here at this verse this should tell you how he SEPERATES the two right here on earth.... We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Jn 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
WOW! This is truly a powerful God to make that seperation so powerful WOW! Get to know him and you will LOVE HIM...
 
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danschance

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“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” - Epicurus, 341-270 BCE

Troll alert, sound the horn.
 

Apostol2013

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lets show the trolll the love of christ keep it coming
 
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danschance

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I don't hate god I hate people using god as an explanation to something they can't explains/ don't know the scientific answer too.
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Haters gonna hate.
 
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Nastya

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I don't why things can't just be perfect and for no evil to exist. But i know that without it there would be no free will. God gave us it and some choose to do evil.
 
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“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” - Epicurus, 341-270 BCE
Ah a common question of people. I think you just worry for your brothers my brother. Worry not, God is good and evil shall be destroyed. Here are three witnesses in history whom knew God to solve the famous Epicurean Paradox.

Revelation 20

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


---John the Apostle

2 Peter 3

1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

---Peter the Apostle

2 Timothy 3

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

---Paul the Apostle (arguably least of the apostles by his own words, but apostle nonetheless.)
 
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Here is another thing you do not realize yet..... You cannot hate God if you do not know Him. If you hate me you can tell me, how does Satan tell God that he hates God? God does not even know him. He was CAST out! he was cast out because he hated God, but how can he hate God now? God does not even know him no more. He is out of mind and out of sight?

How will I know if a person called Jagaureasperliontheoneidonotknow, heate me if I vever meet, talk or see or know him or her? How can a person that God knoweth NOT and a person that knoweth NOT GOD, hate the God he does not know and the God that knows him or her not?

Here is something you DO NOT know.... God NEVER knows the evil that will not be saved, He NEVER knew them. Matthew 7.
You see God makes TWO types of vessels, one for His honor, and one for dishonor. nd only the people HE saves is the people that he HEARS....

God does not hear the sinners. Not when they ask for healing or when they CURSE Him with hate speach. How will he know one hates Him if he cannot hear, see or know that person. So my friend hate God all you like, you CANNOT!

I cannot hate God for one reason. He gave me NO reason to hate Him. NONE! So only a fool will hate the God that IS LOVE. I am not a fool like Epicurus and his followers. Fools hate what they not know and they even fail at that! WOW how foolish can the human be?


So the clay now tells the potter what to do? HAHAHAHA foolish CLAY and vessel of dishonor..HAHAHAHA! What a joke.
 

breno785au

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OP is confused..first they say they hate God then they don't hate God. So tell me, why should I listen to your reasoning? Ever seen that willy wonka meme? Insert it here.
 
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pastac

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This is like a sideline comedy we have to learn not to buy into the tricks when the bait is dangled, the next thing you know you're reeled in on some crazy ride to nowhere trying to help. Its simple pray before entering into every foolish post I truly learned my lesson for not doing so. It take so much away from he seriousness of the work we have to do. Just a few thoughts
 
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“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” - Epicurus, 341-270 BCE
A beautiful quote. I think I first read it some 50 years ago.

The title of your thread is just an attention grabber, I imagine. You don't really hate God. You didn't actually ask a question, unless you are posing the same questions as Epicurus? Are you an atheist?
 

tourist

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“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” - Epicurus, 341-270 BCE
What are you searching for? Do you really hate God or just don't understand him?
 
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TaylorTG

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The title of your thread is just an attention grabber, I imagine. You don't really hate God. You didn't actually ask a question, unless you are posing the same questions as Epicurus?
He knows the title will instantly grab the attention of zealous Christians.

Emotional manipulation = It's an effective tactic.




This man shouldn't be seen as a troll. It's common for atheists to get so fed up with religion that they'll openly challenge it and what-not.


[SUP]1[/SUP]Is God willing to prevent evil, [SUP]2[/SUP]but not able? [SUP]3[/SUP]Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? [SUP]4[/SUP]Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? [SUP]5[/SUP]Then whence cometh evil? [SUP]6[/SUP]Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” - Epicurus, 341-270 BCE
[SUP]1[/SUP]God is willing to prevent evil, but us humans need to also be just as willing, for God commonly works through human beings.

[SUP]2[/SUP]God is able to prevent evil from spreading too far. He won't remove evil completely, for evil is necessary to our spiritual growth.

[SUP]3[/SUP]See above.

[SUP]4[/SUP]A common atheist argument. God may seem malevolent at times, but there are clues both in the bible and around the world that he isn't.

The mass media showcases only the bad stories, not the good. There is so much more good in this world than bad.

[SUP]5[/SUP]Satan, I presume.

[SUP]6[/SUP]Once again, evil is necessary to our spiritual growth. Everything will work out in the end.
 
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notuptome

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This just in.....God hates sin.....Sin and death were vanquished by Christ at Calvary.

For the cause of Christ
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You hate and blame God because humanity loves evil? God has given you a soul and you can decide to hate God or love God. You can deny God exists and seek to be your own god for this brief life God has given you on this earth. You look at this world and say,'where is God in this horrible place of hatred and evil?'.

God is love and this world is separated from Him because it chooses to be separated from Him. The kingdom of God has no resemblance to this world, God is calling us all to turn away from this world and follow Jesus Christ to his kingdom where hatred and evilness is destroyed. You have the choice to love or to hate, God asks you to love and follow Jesus Christ to a eternal kingdom of love. God wants to be with you now in this world and make you his child. This world leads to death and destruction, but the kingdom of God abides forever.

Turn to God and he will fill you with his love. Jesus said,' I am the way, the truth and the life ...', follow Jesus Christ and he will lead you to the kingdom of God. This world of hatred and evilness is passing away, do not pass away with this world. You have a choice if you desire love to rule existence then you desire God, become one of his children and you will know the love that has overcome this world.

God desires for none to perish but for all to turn to Him, God will never leave you or forsake you, He is calling you today to his Life, which is a life of loving kindness.

May the peace and love of Christ fill you and comfort you.
 

p_rehbein

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I hate spinach...............no, seriously, just to smell it cooking makes me very ill..........
 
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didymos

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If your "god" got rid of evil the world would be flawless

Yes, and then you wouldn't be in it. ;)

Goes to show how much LOVE God has for us all. including you.