Is healing promised to the believers?

[joaniemarie]

I believe miracle happen. It happen twice in my mom. 1, form ear problem, hardly hear, and instantly heal after a preacher pray, 2, from finger rheumatism.

And I watch oN youtube, hear the story from people in my town, Jesus raised some people in my town from the death( at least 2 person)

but I believe God have better thing than physical health or wealth. I know a Lot f Christian not whealthy and I am a Christian yet I am not wealthy, and most people in my church are not wealthy.

Yes God able to heal and bless us to be billioner, but I do not see billioner in my church.

Not because God not able to make us billioner, oN earth, but God has better blessing then earthly money.

Knowing we are on the journey of faith is what you are missing perhaps here. Not sure anyone is saying we get 100% healed all the time at the second we pray. What we do is persist and not be weary in well doing. We don't allow the devil to steal the seeds of the Word of God that have been planted in us. We continue to believe as we continue to walk out our faith one day at a time.

Some get healed right away while others get healed in stages. I'm not a billionaire but I'm taken care of by Jesus and often feel like a millionaire so I might as well be. Being secure in Christ is better than any wealth here on earth., better than how much money is in our bank account. He has met my needs and given me far above what i could have ever imagined.

That is the kind of God we have. He gives us what we don't deserve. If God wants to bless someone with more than I that is of no concern to me. I know He gives to each of us of His good pleasure based on His riches in glory. I make it a daily point to not compare myself with others for what they have or don't have. I'm satisfied to walk out the faith He has given me in Christ. He is a Good Shepherd to cares for His sheep very well.

 

[joaniemarie]

Yes, you can "what if" it to death.... or, you could read scripture the way it was written. Do you think Paul was writing in some kind of code, or trick language?

The term "thorn in the flesh" could certainly be used to represent ANY kind of irritation, spiritual, or physical, but just about ALL Biblical scholars agree that Paul was speaking plainly about a physical ailment.

You, however, can make anything of it you wish, if it helps you sell your belief to others.

I've tried to "sell" nothing. Not "all" Biblical scholars believe the same., just the ones who all agree with one another and those who agree with them say "all" believe the same. The other Biblical scholars believe something different and they agree with one another on those issues.

So I prefer to take it all into consideration on both sides and many sides and then ask the Holy Spirit to teach me through the Bible and His leading in my personal life and relationship with Him since He is the one who is the faith giver. I don't really care if a "scholar" believes something in the Bible that is not in accordance with other verses in the Bible.

You can agree with those Bible scholars who you like and I can agree with the ones I like. And the Holy Spirit is able to teach both of us accordingly.

 

[joaniemarie]

Verses?
Where are you seeing WOF?

WOF is kneejerk.

WOF ?
Book of acts? BOA?
I use WORd of GOD.
WOG.

When some people who post here disagree with an interpretation another believer has ., instead of using the Bible to show a point., they prefer to use labels. This allows them (depending on how persistent they are and how many others they can get to follow them) to take this huge paint brush and seek to dismiss all you say and all you are by it.

This is a sad display of Christian debate that often comes up here in the Bible study forum. Politicians use the same tactic when they yell "racist" in the room so everyone will just back up and depart. It's a very lazy and weak way to "win" because sadly that is what this is about for some. It's winning an argument not sharing the Good news of the Gospel.

You just have to keep presenting in the truth and allow the Lord to work out the bugs of disagreement.

 

[joaniemarie]

But,but some are not healed.

But,but some are not saved.
I thought he died for all.

I can not park there.

Amen., neither can I. Nor will I despite how much others here want to force the parking brake. The Bible says to "Press on" and that is what we must do regardless of those who don't agree.

 

[hornetguy]

Yes those who believe the scriptures do have healings

http://miracles.areonthe.net/TESTIM...lori bacterial stomach infection (Lauren).pdf

and yet, nobody wants to answer the question.... do those believers have healings EVERY time someone is prayed for?

So, there is no sickness in your assembly?

If we are to believe every scripture literally, then no Christian should ever be sick, or die from cancer... we should all live perfectly healthy lives up until 70 years of age (three score and ten), then die peacefully.

Is that what is being said here?

 

[joaniemarie]

Believing it is not off the table at all.... we just need to use discernment as to what He was promising us. If God meant that all we had to do is have faith and pray, and EVERYONE would be healed, no exception, then why are people still NOT being healed?

Do you seriously want to tell me that in every case of non-healing, that there simply wasn't enough faith in God?

Seriously?

You are telling me that everyone that you have prayed for has been healed? No exceptions?

Just because I believe in healing in the atonement I do not presume upon others in the faith who are not healed. Why they are or are not healed is between them and God. We are each walking with the Lord in the faith we have. God doesn't condemn us and certainly we are never to condemn one another.

But what we are supposed to do is tell the truth as the Bible presents it even if people don't get healed or get saved or get taken care of. There are reasons only God Himself knows and we are not privy to all the Almighty is. But we are called to believe and walk by faith and not by sight. Those of us who have believed Him to be faithful have found Him to be faithful. No matter how much others want to argue that I won't listen to them. I'm a needy sheep following the Good Shepherd and I'm keeping my eyes on Him., not others or their circumstances..

 

[hornetguy]

I've tried to "sell" nothing. Not "all" Biblical scholars believe the same., just the ones who all agree with one another and those who agree with them say "all" believe the same. The other Biblical scholars believe something different and they agree with one another on those issues.

So I prefer to take it all into consideration on both sides and many sides and then ask the Holy Spirit to teach me through the Bible and His leading in my personal life and relationship with Him since He is the one who is the faith giver. I don't really care if a "scholar" believes something in the Bible that is not in accordance with other verses in the Bible.

You can agree with those Bible scholars who you like and I can agree with the ones I like. And the Holy Spirit is able to teach both of us accordingly.

Ok... now you are moderating your stance somewhat.... earlier, you indicated that if we truly believe scripture, that all we had to do is ask God for healing, and He would heal us. You implied pretty much on-the-spot healing..... from anything.

Now, you seem to be more in line with the rest of us, who believe that God CAN certainly heal, and DOES certainly heal..... SOME of the time.... not every time. It's in accordance with His will, and plan.

So, we can pray fervently, faithfully, without ceasing, fully expecting God to heal, but if it is not according to His will, there will be no physical healing...

 

[joaniemarie]

Ok... now you are moderating your stance somewhat.... earlier, you indicated that if we truly believe scripture, that all we had to do is ask God for healing, and He would heal us. You implied pretty much on-the-spot healing..... from anything.

Now, you seem to be more in line with the rest of us, who believe that God CAN certainly heal, and DOES certainly heal..... SOME of the time.... not every time. It's in accordance with His will, and plan.

So, we can pray fervently, faithfully, without ceasing, fully expecting God to heal, but if it is not according to His will, there will be no physical healing...

I believe just what I posted not what you or others have posted about me. If you had read my posts you could have seen that.

But no., I'm not 'in line' with the rest of you. I believe healing was paid for in the atonement. Just like power and love and a sound mind are gifts we have in Christ., we must walk out our faith to see them show up in our lives. It is ALWAYS God's will for us to have a sound mind... love and power. If we are not walking it out., we have yet to do so as we grow and learn .

 

[Jackson123]

Knowing we are on the journey of faith is what you are missing perhaps here. Not sure anyone is saying we get 100% healed all the time at the second we pray. What we do is persist and not be weary in well doing. We don't allow the devil to steal the seeds of the Word of God that have been planted in us. We continue to believe as we continue to walk out our faith one day at a time.

Some get healed right away while others get healed in stages. I'm not a billionaire but I'm taken care of by Jesus and often feel like a millionaire so I might as well be. Being secure in Christ is better than any wealth here on earth., better than how much money is in our bank account. He has met my needs and given me far above what i could have ever imagined.

That is the kind of God we have. He gives us what we don't deserve. If God wants to bless someone with more than I that is of no concern to me. I know He gives to each of us of His good pleasure based on His riches in glory. I make it a daily point to not compare myself with others for what they have or don't have. I'm satisfied to walk out the faith He has given me in Christ. He is a Good Shepherd to cares for His sheep very well.

If It up to me, with all problem oN earth, I choose to be with the Lord and free from my temporary body.

1 corinthians 5

5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.


In verse 8 Paul say he rather absent from the body(die)
And to be present with the Lord.

if we believe present with the Lord or die is more plesure than live oN earth, way we expected raise from the dead?

i heard the story about a pastor of the big church, he die of heart attact his member pray expect God raise him, they delayed burial for few days. But God not awaken him.

in the contrary, I listen to a testimony from ex muslim, he went to jail for leaving islam they tortur him every day, to the point till unconsious, one day he die during the torture, he meet Jesus and was very Happy there. But Jesus say, I want you to come back, be my witness. He cry, beg the Lord not to sent him back to the earth.

But God sent him back any way, Now he is famous preacher in Indonesia.

let think It over my sister

why we focus oN earthly healing or wealth, when we have some thing that million time better in heaven, why don't we longing to go there daster like what apostle Paul do

 

[beastslayer1970]

I believe just what I posted not what you or others have posted about me. If you had read my posts you could have seen that.

But no., I'm not 'in line' with the rest of you. I believe healing was paid for in the atonement. Just like power and love and a sound mind are gifts we have in Christ., we must walk out our faith to see them show up in our lives. It is ALWAYS God's will for us to have a sound mind... love and power. If we are not walking it out., we have yet to do so as we grow and learn .

2 Tim 1:7 has little to do with what you are making it out to be.
Paul was encouraging Timothy not to be afraid to use his gift as Vs 6 shows the context to be.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]For this reason I remind you to kindle afresh the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For God has not given us a spirit of timidity, but of power and love and discipline.

 

[notuptome]

Healing physically is no more promised to believers than to unbelievers.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[joaniemarie]

2 Tim 1:7 has little to do with what you are making it out to be.
Paul was encouraging Timothy not to be afraid to use his gift as Vs 6 shows the context to be.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]For this reason I remind you to kindle afresh the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For God has not given us a spirit of timidity, but of power and love and discipline.

The fact is (in context) we have NOT been given the spirit of fear.... that comes from another spirit. But we have been given a Spirit of power and love and a sound mind. It's true in that verse, it's true in other verses. We have it... now we are called to (walk it out) by believing we HAVE IT by FAITH and disregard all evidences to the contrary. That is your choice and mine.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance (the confirmation, the title deed) of the things we hope for being the proof of things we do not see and the conviction of their reality (faith perceiving as real fact what is not revealed to the senses)

I'm not making it out to be anything it isn't. I believe it because it says so in the Bible.

 

[beastslayer1970]

The fact is (in context) we have NOT been given the spirit of fear.... that comes from another spirit. But we have been given a Spirit of power and love and a sound mind. It's true in that verse, it's true in other verses. We have it... now we are called to (walk it out) by believing we HAVE IT by FAITH and disregard all evidences to the contrary. That is your choice and mine.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the assurance (the confirmation, the title deed) of the things we hope for being the proof of things we do not see and the conviction of their reality (faith perceiving as real fact what is not revealed to the senses)

I'm not making it out to be anything it isn't. I believe it because it says so in the Bible.

Why did Paul say we do not have the spirit of fear, but love , power and a sound mind?

The answer is above in Vs 6.

 

[joaniemarie]

Why did Paul say we do not have the spirit of fear, but love , power and a sound mind?

The answer is above in Vs 6.

Perhaps because in all cases and in all situations in life we have NOT been given the spirit of fear from God (that comes from the enemy)
But what we DO have is the HOLY SPIRIT and HE has given us POWER AND LOVE AND A SOUND MIND. What we do with those seeds planted in us at the time of our salvation is up to each one of us.

Are some not wise? It's not God's fault... Are some not loving? It's not God's fault.... are some not of sound mind? It's not God's fault.

We have been given everything pertaining to life and godliness. We have those things but many of us never grow them up by grace through faith. It's not God's fault. He gave us all good things to enjoy. Praise Jesus for His unspeakable gift.

 

[joaniemarie]

2 Pet.1:3[SUP]3 [/SUP]For His divine power has bestowed upon us all things that [are requisite and suited] to life and godliness, through the [[SUP][a][/SUP]full, personal] knowledge of Him Who called us by and to His own glory and excellence (virtue).


2 Cor.4:7 [SUP]7 [/SUP]However, we possess this precious treasure [the divine Light of the Gospel] in [frail, human] vessels of earth, that the grandeur and exceeding greatness of the power may be shown to be from God and not from ourselves.

2 Tim. 1:7 [SUP]7 [/SUP]For God did not give us a spirit of timidity (of cowardice, of craven and cringing and fawning fear), but [He has given us a spirit] of power and of love and of calm and well-balanced mind and discipline and self-control.

 

[beastslayer1970]

2 Pet.1:3[SUP]3 [/SUP]For His divine power has bestowed upon us all things that [are requisite and suited] to life and godliness, through the [[SUP][a][/SUP]full, personal] knowledge of Him Who called us by and to His own glory and excellence (virtue).


2 Cor.4:7 [SUP]7 [/SUP]However, we possess this precious treasure [the divine Light of the Gospel] in [frail, human] vessels of earth, that the grandeur and exceeding greatness of the power may be shown to be from God and not from ourselves.

2 Tim. 1:7 [SUP]7 [/SUP]For God did not give us a spirit of timidity (of cowardice, of craven and cringing and fawning fear), but [He has given us a spirit] of power and of love and of calm and well-balanced mind and discipline and self-control.

Who are trying to convince? yourself? it might all be new to you, but not others.

 

[joaniemarie]

I've been saved since 1982 and have known it for many years as a religious truth. But when the Holy Spirit fills you with the truth of it., these verses they take on a new and living way each day they are read.

So I cannot help but rejoice as if they were all brand new truths seen yet again in His light. You and others will have to simply excuse my great enthusiasm as the JOY of the Lord is a major high for this old religious gal. The Holy Spirit makes all things new.

 

[BenFTW]

How can a person have faith to be healed if they do not believe it is God's will to heal? People often espouse the idea that God can heal them, or others, but what good is it to state the obvious? God's power, or ability, to heal is not in question. We know He can, He is God. The question then is whether or not He will, not whether He can.

Faith then is accompanied by expectancy. How can we have faith (with expectancy) to be healed if we do not believe it is God's will to heal us? We believe He might heal us, but that then is just hope. There is nothing wrong with hope. It very well may be all you have. Yet, how does one go from hope to certainty?

By knowing the will of God. This then empowers our hope, for our hope then is simply a waiting for with an assurance. We wait on the Lord. So no longer is it "God may heal me" but it is "the Lord will heal me" or better yet, "He has through Christ." We give Him praise, thanksgiving, for that which we know is happening (as our hope relies on Him who is faithful).

We understand that God can heal, but we must understand that He will heal. We go from a place of uncertainty to a foundation that is sure. That foundation is Christ, and Him crucified. People will tell us that healing is not in the atonement, there is no guarantee. They have in their wounded hearts put up walls of defense, so as to hold no offense towards God. For if healing is a surety, who is to blame? They dare not blame the Lord. Shall we look in the mirror? No. Rather, we'll make a doctrine void of responsibility so as to dismiss all blame. The Lord may, they say, heal them.

We can find comfort in these doctrines that lay aside faith for hope. Who better to hope in than the Lord who is merciful? By all means, go ahead and hope. He may yet extend mercy, from the abundance of His heart. Yet for those that wish to have a hope that is certain, a faith that attains, see that in Christ healing is yours. If sickness was a curse of the Law, and Christ nailed those ordinances that were against us upon that cross, what curse has befallen you that Christ has set you free from? Remember, the promises of God in Christ Jesus are "yes" and "amen." Believe.

 

[joefizz]

How can a person have faith to be healed if they do not believe it is God's will to heal? People often espouse the idea that God can heal them, or others, but what good is it to state the obvious? God's power, or ability, to heal is not in question. We know He can, He is God. The question then is whether or not He will, not whether He can.

Faith then is accompanied by expectancy. How can we have faith (with expectancy) to be healed if we do not believe it is God's will to heal us? We believe He might heal us, but that then is just hope. There is nothing wrong with hope. It very well may be all you have. Yet, how does one go from hope to certainty?

By knowing the will of God. This then empowers our hope, for our hope then is simply a waiting for with an assurance. We wait on the Lord. So no longer is it "God may heal me" but it is "the Lord will heal me" or better yet, "He has through Christ." We give Him praise, thanksgiving, for that which we know is happening (as our hope relies on Him who is faithful).

We understand that God can heal, but we must understand that He will heal. We go from a place of uncertainty to a foundation that is sure. That foundation is Christ, and Him crucified. People will tell us that healing is not in the atonement, there is no guarantee. They have in their wounded hearts put up walls of defense, so as to hold no offense towards God. For if healing is a surety, who is to blame? They dare not blame the Lord. Shall we look in the mirror? No. Rather, we'll make a doctrine void of responsibility so as to dismiss all blame. The Lord may, they say, heal them.

We can find comfort in these doctrines that lay aside faith for hope. Who better to hope in than the Lord who is merciful? By all means, go ahead and hope. He may yet extend mercy, from the abundance of His heart. Yet for those that wish to have a hope that is certain, a faith that attains, see that in Christ healing is yours. If sickness was a curse of the Law, and Christ nailed those ordinances that were against us upon that cross, what curse has befallen you that Christ has set you free from? Remember, the promises of God in Christ Jesus are "yes" and "amen." Believe.

You do recall the woman with the issue of blood right?
she didn't know of God's will yet was healed by her faith in that if she could touch the hem of Jesus's garment that she would be healed,especially after spending a fortune trying to be cured.

 

[notuptome]

How can a person have faith to be healed if they do not believe it is God's will to heal? People often espouse the idea that God can heal them, or others, but what good is it to state the obvious? God's power, or ability, to heal is not in question. We know He can, He is God. The question then is whether or not He will, not whether He can.

Faith then is accompanied by expectancy. How can we have faith (with expectancy) to be healed if we do not believe it is God's will to heal us? We believe He might heal us, but that then is just hope. There is nothing wrong with hope. It very well may be all you have. Yet, how does one go from hope to certainty?

By knowing the will of God. This then empowers our hope, for our hope then is simply a waiting for with an assurance. We wait on the Lord. So no longer is it "God may heal me" but it is "the Lord will heal me" or better yet, "He has through Christ." We give Him praise, thanksgiving, for that which we know is happening (as our hope relies on Him who is faithful).

We understand that God can heal, but we must understand that He will heal. We go from a place of uncertainty to a foundation that is sure. That foundation is Christ, and Him crucified. People will tell us that healing is not in the atonement, there is no guarantee. They have in their wounded hearts put up walls of defense, so as to hold no offense towards God. For if healing is a surety, who is to blame? They dare not blame the Lord. Shall we look in the mirror? No. Rather, we'll make a doctrine void of responsibility so as to dismiss all blame. The Lord may, they say, heal them.

We can find comfort in these doctrines that lay aside faith for hope. Who better to hope in than the Lord who is merciful? By all means, go ahead and hope. He may yet extend mercy, from the abundance of His heart. Yet for those that wish to have a hope that is certain, a faith that attains, see that in Christ healing is yours. If sickness was a curse of the Law, and Christ nailed those ordinances that were against us upon that cross, what curse has befallen you that Christ has set you free from? Remember, the promises of God in Christ Jesus are "yes" and "amen." Believe.

Unsaved people are healed every day. Saved people go unhealed and die every day.

Our freedom begins when we lay down this vile body of flesh and rise in our new body made like unto His.

Bear the burdens with joy for the yoke of Christ is light and He bears the burden along side you.

For the cause of Christ
Roger